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Morris deserves credit for seeing in the FIU game that the real difference between Rogers and Earl was that Rogers is a "game day" QB and Earl was a great practice QB...and then correcting his decision about the starter.
I made my assessment of Earl based on his spring practice performance in a couple of scrimmages. Rogers was good in the spring, but still not as good as either Earl or Ruder. "Pure-QB-skills-and-athleticism-wise", Ruder is the best of the three.......but if only Morris could have figured out how to flip his "on" switch. Oh well.
Roger's "on switch" apparently is getting in the game and competing.
Perhaps Mr. Rogers has the same philosophy as the late Joe Kapp who used to say when describing his job as QB...."I just go out there and pass and kick ass".
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1 hour ago, Meangreen Fight said:
@MGNation92 did a great job spelling out our primary issue and I think some just glossed over it. At the end of the day I don't believe the leadership here really believes that winning big time here would generate the revenue a school of our size in a highly populated area should. From now until we have a 10 win season, in a run of a least 3 consecutive winning seasons with bowl win and conference championship our head coach hire has to be a culture changer. Morris may end up being a fine coach, decent recruit and etc but he isn't a culture changer.
A known commodity coach that is a culture changing coach is going to cost. They are also are going to be looking at the program very critically before the accept the challenge. They will be interviewing the AD and top people in the athletic department as much as they are interviewing him. They are going to have options and aren't going to be money whipped into coming here when they know they won really be supported.
@MGNation92 touched upon this but didn't pose this exact question. Does the Adminstration believe in the program growing into a sold out 45k seat stadium? More importantly does anyone here believe that they do give all the decisions made in the last 25 years other than building sufficient facilities and hiring Coach McCarney? McCarney was the only coach that seem to address the culture problem here somewhat. His problem was he underestimated how difficult it was going to be to recruit to his offensive system here and underestimated the value of an in Texas/Oklahoma recruiting network.
I really believe that if the leadership show they were really aggressive and serious about winning they would be able to tap into all that wasted potential MGNation92, Coach McCarney, and many others on this board often mention. A Heart of Dallas Bowl isn't going to cut it and let's be clear, it wouldn't cut it anywhere if program hasn't been the final AP Top 25 poll of the season EVER. (Hayden Fry's 10-1 Mean Green was 16 in Coaches Poll) So we need to stop looking at students, the Denton community or factors outside the program that are beyond an AD and coach's control. You also can't fault the working class fans who really can't afford to be throwing away money and get slapped in the face for almost 20 years consecutively when they hope for a measly bowl win or conference championship in mediocre conferences. If the Adminstration does believe enough to even attempt publicly make big swings; Deion Sanders, Gary Patterson, Sonny Dykes, Lane Kiffin, Hugh Freeze, Turner Gill, Kliff Kingsbury or etc do they believe in the Mean Green?
Coaches don't change the culture of a school. They change the culture of the team. Culture change starts at the top and everyone from there on down need to "believe in the Mean Green". And they need to believe in the Mean Green every waking hour/moment that they are doing their jobs at this University. Then "believing" has to spread out from there and into the community.
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9 hours ago, keith said:Quote
I feel this is the wrong thinking Silver. All this has done is make it harder to justify the necessary salary increase for the next (and there is alway a next) head coach. Whether we like it or not, competent head football coaches make a boat load of money.
When it comes to North Texas vs other programs the word competency doesn't mean the same thing. North Texas is so different from other schools that what a "competent" coach is to OU is not at North Texas. For the Mack Brown's of the world once they fully grasped what the real challenge would be to turn North Texas around, they would say "you can't pay me enough". And that's a coach who had scruples and told you the truth. Others are not so honest and just go through the motions and collect a paycheck knowing that being fired will happen sooner than later. Only North Texas is on the "later" end of the time line.
Having a big number already in the budget will make it easier when negotiations begin. First, we will start with a better candidate pool. Second, we may be able to absorb another $500K to $1M bump, but a $1.5M to $2M bump may be harder to sell (at least for a school like UNT). So, in my mind, Morris taking less and Mosely agreeing to it may have tied our hands in the future.
Once the realization of what the job really entails hits those candidates, the pool get much shallower.
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20 hours ago, TreeFiddy said:
We are from corporate and we are here to help!
Also like the earlier suggestions of Phil Bennett. He may even be a better/more likely option due to his familiarity with the program, but any of these types would work. No way you can trust self evaluation from this coaching staff or HC after showing up so unprepared for the season. We really need to know if there is anything salvageable.
Welp, that would be a great place to start.
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20 hours ago, greenminer said:
Absolutely on board with GP on our staff as a consultant/assistant.
Totally there with you (and others) who have suggested this. At this stage of his career "consultant" would be perfect. And as luck might have it, this is the perfect time to knock on his door. He could go to the La Tech game and write up an assessment of the defense with recommendations.
THEN he could come to Denton and help the staff implement his recommendations. We have two full weeks before we play ACC. And that would be a great opportunity to see how well the players and coaches absorb the "suggestions".
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Damn! I hope they find the owner.
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12 hours ago, UNTLifer said:
I feel for every young man on that defense. They are being put in a scheme that is not taking advantage of their skills. This read and react crap is ridiculous. Get in a four man front and turn those kids loose. Run a 4-2-5 or a 4-3-4 with a hybrid safety/lb at the third LB position. Caponi is trying to cram a square peg into a round hole and it isn’t coming close to working.
Unfortunately one of those skills is NOT tackling. I greatly admire your basic decency regarding those young men and their feelings. But I can't get past the image of half of the defense getting their hands on a ball carrier and he doesn't go down......multiple times.
I believe that, especially at the college level, if you are on the defensive side of the ball, tackling should not even be a conversation......it should fall into the same category as your heart beating and breathing. Getting to the point of contact as quickly as possible and shoving aside and/or avoiding a blocker and/or using leverage to neutralize the blocker is a skill you should work on.....and perfect. And when you get there, hopefully in a very timely manner, and your hands are on the runner, it should all be over.
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13 minutes ago, keith said:
When we hired Morris didn't we sign him for less than we were paying Littrell? I always thought that signaled weakness and capitulation. Since when does a D1 program hire the replacement coach that's going to catapult them into a new conference and elevate them to new heights less than the previous coach? Were we bargain hunting? Then the spin was we were going to use the savings to increase the assistant coach salary pool and get the best staff possible. Yikes.
When you WAY OVERPAID THE PREVIOUS COACH!
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17 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:
This was what I was kinda worried about when we fired Littrell, but went cheaper on Morris. Everyone said it was OK, because our support staff salaries went up as a result, and I must admit, that’s a good thing. But it’s certainly a gamble. There’s that old saying… “you get what you pay for.” There’s no coupons when it comes to CFB coaches.
My experience has been that that old adage was coined by some carnival barker selling you overpriced merchandise.....way overpriced merchandise. That's when the equally used old adage (that I'm most fond of) comes into play....."buyer beware".
I really don't care how much other schools paid someone to coach. What someone did (or was alleged to have done) somewhere else doesn't apply at North Texas. You can pay anyone a lot of money to come here, and if you didn't properly prepare them for the full challenge they were going to face at North Texas, then two years down the road they will be looking around and saying, "what the hell is wrong with these people?" They probably had completely different players, different facilities, and certainly a different culture where they came from. I often wonder what their sales pitch is in order to get even reasonably upper level talent to come here.
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Well, one attempt by Hayden Fry to, as he put it, "change the culture of losing" at North Texas was the Flying Worm logo. It disappeared for a while but has made a comeback.....as well it should. It is probably the only unique symbol/logo in the school's history. It almost disappeared because the administrators who hated Hayden Fry wanted nothing to do with anything Hayden Fry.......including that very unique symbol/logo.
Ask around. Who is in charge of promotions? Who is in charge of the spirit groups. Who is in charge of making sure that our traditions and/or symbols (few as they are) of our traditions (cannon, model-T) are always well maintained and always visible to the student body at sporting events?
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2 minutes ago, Hunter Green said:
IMHO, we have no identity. We can't decide on any one uniform. Go to a classic design and stick with it. Icy whites on the road (with an occasional green pants) and throw back worm unis on homecoming. Ok, black on Halloween, but that's it. Let's form an identity that's recognizable and stick with it.
Would that include a diving bat on the helmet? Now that would be pretty cool.....😎
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34 minutes ago, BillySee58 said:
A lot of lead changes and man did Rogers look great. Am I the only one who enjoyed the football game outside of the result? La Tech game should be similarly competitive. I’m thinking we rattle off the next 4.
Welp, I was not impressed with Rogers in the spring scrimmages, but obviously he's one of those "game day" players. And that's what really counts.
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2 minutes ago, MeanGreen4Life1998 said:
Just because we wanted Littrell gone doesnt mean we thought Morris was the answer. I wanted Carthel, Keeler or someone else who had proven that they can have success as a HC. Thing is, not a single person on here has any say and it all came down to what Mosley wanted to do. Mosley is another person that shouldn’t have been hired
I'm going to respectfully disagree with you about Mosley. From my reading about his professional history, he appeared to be the best AD candidate because he had (or should have had) the best perspective about North Texas and how to go about turning things around here.
I was disappointed that he didn't hire Carthel. Carthel is another fellow West Texan who came from a very hard-working family with a long history of coaching.......in West Texas. In fact I wanted his dad (Don) to be hired to replace DD instead of Todd Dodge. Don Carthel would have gotten out in the community and sold his program.....Hayden Fry style. Instead, we hired the (somewhat) brilliant but aloof Todd Dodge.
When Dodge was finally fired I still wanted them to hire Don Carthel instead of McCarney. Don Carthel was no spring chicken at that time, but he would have been a much better selection than that old worn out war horse of a coach.
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9 minutes ago, p_phelps said:
You're part of the problem then why seth wasn't fired after 1-6 with your mindset. RICE and TX state have passed us. We are the worst FBS team in texas now. I have no idea how this is okay to you. Maybe your mindset is why we have been bad at football for most of our existence
My mindset? .......🤣
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4 minutes ago, p_phelps said:
If you can't see that football, especially roster building is completely different from 50 years ago then there's no helping you.
Help me in what way? Learn how to become a drama King when I don't get immediate gratification?
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4 minutes ago, p_phelps said:
my point is this is apples and oranges. your talking about college football 50 years ago. Might as well be a different sport. and Fry also fry took over one of the worst football programs in the nation Record: 1-10 (125th of 127). Morris didn't do that. There's really no excuse .
Apples and Oranges? You mean we don't play "11 man tackle" anymore?
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1 minute ago, p_phelps said:
this isn't 1965, fry also didn't take over a team in the conference championship the previous year. The portal has changed college football and allowed turn arounds over night. We somehow have gotten significantly worse. We were told the cupboard wasn't bare, the offensive scheme wasn't that different. Morris is a bad hire at this point, which sucks because I thought he was the right guy.
It was 1973 and 74. And Fry had been a successful HEAD COACH at SMU before the 73 and 74 seasons. My point is that even "legendary" coaches who eventually took a historically losing program to the Rose Bowl can struggle when they take over a new job.
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A little perspective here. Hayden Frys first year. He went 5-5-1 and tied for the MVC championship. BUT he lost to UT-Arlington, and Memphis in the first two games.
G Date Day School Opponent Conf Pts Opp W L T Streak Notes 1 Sep 8, 1973 Sat North Texas N Texas-Arlington Ind L 7 31 0 1 0 L 1 2 Sep 15, 1973 Sat North Texas @ Memphis Ind L 3 24 0 2 0 L 2 3 Sep 22, 1973 Sat North Texas West Texas State MVC W 32 15 1 2 0 W 1 4 Sep 29, 1973 Sat North Texas Long Beach State PCAA T 0 0 1 2 1 T 1 5 Oct 13, 1973 Sat North Texas Louisville MVC W 7 6 2 2 1 W 1 6 Oct 20, 1973 Sat North Texas Drake MVC W 19 7 3 2 1 W 2 7 Oct 27, 1973 Sat North Texas @ New Mexico State MVC W 27 7 4 2 1 W 3 8 Nov 3, 1973 Sat North Texas @ Cincinnati Ind L 3 52 4 3 1 L 1 9 Nov 10, 1973 Sat North Texas Wichita State MVC W 31 21 5 3 1 W 1 10 Nov 17, 1973 Sat North Texas Tulsa MVC L 15 24 5 4 1 L 1 11 Nov 24, 1973 Sat North Texas @ San Diego State PCAA L 9 56 5 5 1 L 2 He tanked the next year with three losses to begin the year. The third one was to LAMAR. He finished up the year losing to West Texas State ( now WT A&M) and Long Beach State.
G Date Day School Opponent Conf Pts Opp W L T Streak Notes 1 Sep 14, 1974 Sat North Texas N SMU SWC L 6 7 0 1 0 L 1 2 Sep 21, 1974 Sat North Texas @ Tulsa MVC L 6 31 0 2 0 L 2 3 Sep 28, 1974 Sat North Texas Lamar Ind L 7 27 0 3 0 L 3 4 Oct 5, 1974 Sat North Texas @ Drake MVC T 24 24 0 3 1 T 1 5 Oct 12, 1974 Sat North Texas Louisville MVC L 10 24 0 4 1 L 1 6 Oct 19, 1974 Sat North Texas New Mexico State MVC W 24 19 1 4 1 W 1 7 Oct 26, 1974 Sat North Texas Memphis Ind L 0 41 1 5 1 L 1 8 Nov 2, 1974 Sat North Texas (20) San Diego State PCAA W 14 9 2 5 1 W 1 9 Nov 9, 1974 Sat North Texas @ Wichita State MVC T 10 10 2 5 2 T 1 10 Nov 16, 1974 Sat North Texas @ West Texas State MVC L 14 21 2 6 2 L 1 11 Nov 23, 1974 Sat North Texas Long Beach State PCAA L 19 35 2 7 2 L 2 -
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3 hours ago, NorthTexasSportsNetwork said:
Unfortunately agree and if we had Aune at QB, we would’ve also won lol. Sucks to say that
OK, lets get real here. If you are going to say "if we had Aune at QB", you also have to include all the other players who started on the team with him that have since taken a NIL bus ride to other schools. Aune would not have prevented FIU from hanging 500 yards on us.
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2 minutes ago, Jdawg48 said:
I like this! I could totally see him contributing on the defensive side eof the ball. Has the size and speed for sure.
BUT CAN HE TACKLE?
Can he possibly do worse?
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23 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:
Jace Ruder, the former North Texas starting quarterback, has recently been taking reps at the linebacker position. Standing at 6'2" and weighing 222 lbs, Ruder possesses the size and athleticism that could make him a valuable addition to the defensive side of the field. It is worth noting that he might not be available for the upcoming game in Miami due to the birth of his child. This development is reminiscent of Gary Patterson's successful strategy at TCU, where he had a knack for identifying athletic quarterbacks and transitioning them into linebackers. It will be interesting to see how Ruder's potential transition to linebacker progresses in the future.
Well, better this than sitting on the bench and not being able to contribute anything toward the success of the team. I still think he has the best physical attributes (strong arm with the quickest release, good size and the best runner when he decided to scramble) of any of the spring candidates.
Gary Patterson did not develop this guy, but he did play LB at TCU AFTER a very successful HS career where he was a state ranked QB.....at Bridgeport HS.
I believe that Brad Kassel was an outstanding QB at Llano. Seems like Brad did pretty well at LB here.
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6 minutes ago, TIgreen01 said:
He flat out said our roster was ready to compete and win in the AAC now. Then in his post-game presser he said we aren't as far ahead as he thought. Based on that, he doesn't think the personnel is a problem or the scheme is a bad fit. Sounds like he's categorizing most of the problems as mental errors or coaching. Those are the types of things you can correct in-season.
Could just be coach-speak to keep these guys playing hard. Who knows? Time will tell...
One thing is for sure, he hasn't yet learned to keep his cards closer to his vest when stating preseason expectations. Given the circumstances around his hiring, he could not have come in and declared that we were a dumpster fire in need of a rebuild. However, he could have tempered expectations going into the new conference.
I'm not an expert, but I think that that would not have been very good for season ticket sales.
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Well, I'll agree with you on one thing. Coach "prime time" would certainly bring about a change. I'm not sure I would use the word "culture" in the description, however.
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Welp, to answer the question as posed by the title of this thread..........HE BETTER!
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GMG Going Live After The Game (Eric Morris Called In To The Post Game Show)!!
in Mean Green Football
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I liked that exchange between Morris and Rogers. (Morris to Rogers) "looks like they left too much time on the clock"..(Rogers winking at the coach) "yes sir they did".
WOW! When was the last time we had a QB, who was just put under extreme pressure, tell the coach essentially "Hold my beer.... I got this".