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4 hours ago, GMG24 said:
There is no argument from me we have to win more battles than we are now, however we really do need to win more for some kids to take us seriously. DFW kids have so much access to additional technique training, outside their HS coaches most DFW kids are about as close to being ready to play college ball as you can be. Take the same kid move them to Hamiltons town, or locust grove, or east Tx. The resources aren't there. Sure they may have a trainer here's or there but not the 40+ like we have in DFW, heck even Houston is starting to really blow up in terms of skills guys helping elevate a kids game.
When I here kids who went to Baylor tell people they would have been interested in UNT, but were never contacted, and those kids think it’s odd that UNT never came to their school, that catches my attention, no matter how the process works.
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2 minutes ago, MGNation92 said:
Lol good lord you're still pushing that kid from SLC huh? Sorry your buddy's kid didn't get an offer. We're 8-3 with the guys this staff wanted. If they thought he would help them they would have offered, as they would with every other kid out there.
I'm all about criticizing the staff where the lack, which in my opinion is still recruiting, but to hold a personal grudge over a friend's kid is petty as hell.
It’s not a problem, as he is at Tech as a preferred walk on.
The fact that you think this staff couldn’t use a preferred walk on that Tech can just proves your well documented rah rah boy status.
Let’s see how this plays out in the next couple of years...
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3 minutes ago, Ben Gooding said:
Assuming this is that Carroll kid you kept pushing for so hard?
Don't know about recruiting habits or tendencies of this staff. I don't know how they go about this process. What I do know are the results. And defensively, the results are speaking for themselves. You can out-scheme teams on offense. Can't do that on D as much so, and it's showing. Only Fordham has allowed more points to Army than us. Most of their games are in the 20's. Of course, we allow the season high for them in yardage.
They haven’t been to that campus or several other campuses in that district in a year, according to multiple sources who say every Big 12 staff has been present.
If you want to win recruiting battles, you need to show up for the fight.
Oh, and the source isn’t that kid or his family, just FYI.
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1 hour ago, MeanGreenZen said:
Do you know how many high school coaches contact our staff trying to push QBs on us? Basically all of them.
Littrell and Harrell get credit for sifting through all that trash and coming up with Fine. They evaluated the Locust Grove film and determined that he was worth a scholarship. Something no other FBS staff can claim, so they get credit for that. It wasn't luck.
And the ability to evaluate, identify and develop underrated quarterback prospects will make Littrell and Harrell attractive to P5 programs.
It is hard to sign 5 star guys, even for Alabama. If you have a history of taking lower-rated QBs and making them all conference that is VALUABLE.
And I believe Mason Fine is special. But let's not pretend he walked off that Indian reservation straight into the Davey O'Brien conversation. Fine was just good-ish as a freshman.
In fact, in the modern era of UNT football, I would rank Fine's freshman season below the freshman season's of Giovanni Vizza and Andrew Smith. Fine was about as good as a freshman as the freshman versions of Scott Hall or Riley Dodge.
Now as a sophomore, Fine has been a revelation such as Mean Green fans have never seen. And Littrell and Harrell get a lot of credit for that. Certainly they have raised his football IQ, put him in positions to succeed, maximized his strengths and minimized his weaknesses.
It was absolute luck. Fine was first offered preferred walk on. When he refused (or another target committed somewhere else) was when he got offered. Littrell had zero other options. Fine was easily the top producing QB anywhere without offers. It wasn’t some magical tough call when you had squat on your roster. The tougher call that Littrell should get credit for is starting Fine as a Freshman over an Alabama graduate transfer and sticking with him through SMU and Iowa. Those were where credit was earned.
Everyone knows my early criticism of Fine, but we all hoped he would be another Nick Mullens (struggle freshman year and have something click as a soph). That’s exactly what happened. Any true freshman will struggle. Fine’s continued struggles through the SMU and Iowa Games are what concerned me. But the light everyone was hoping for came on, and in a big way.
And yes, when the coaching staff receives a call from a coach telling them a third team all-DFW area DT is interested in their program, they should return that call (they should also be making visits to that school’s campus. They haven’t in the last year). Texas Tech did make that call.
But, ya, we are so much better than a P5 at DT we couldn’t be bothered to make a call to talk to the kid about a preferred walk on offer...
What I’m hearing about recruiting and the lack of presence at local 6A high schools is concerning. And it’s from players at those schools.
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1 minute ago, Aldo said:
I get what you're saying but let's not leave out that Littrell had been the coach for less than 50 days at this point.
And landed no other QB recruit, the TOP priority for that class. Fine got an offer because more highly recruited players said no.
And thank god.
But it still doesn’t change the fact that Littrell fell into this. Where Littrell should get credit is for sticking with Fine until something clicked after the Iowa game.
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10 hours ago, MeanGreenZen said:
Harrell (and Littrell) also get credit for FINDING Mason Fine.
Good Lord. Revisionist history much? They didn’t find Fine, Fine’s coaches found them. They were desperately trying to find Fine a FBS scholarship. Littrell was desperate after not being able to find a QB his first class and knowing that he had maybe one QB on the roster that was worth an FBS scholarship.
Two desperate parties got together and made a magical match.
Glad Littrell took that call. Too bad his staff didn’t take or return a call from another coach. They would have been much deeper at DT, a position of need.
Here is Vito’s more sane article on Fine’s offer and immediate acceptance. Notice how late in the recruiting game it was:
http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/mean-green/2016/01/26/unt-notebook-oklahoma-qb-commits-to-unt
I know people on this site love to lie to themselves, but how about knowing little history on your team.
Also, chillax. The only offer Littrell would get that he would consider is SMU if Morris got hired by a P5 (yes, he is currently WAY ahead of Littrell in the P5 coach pecking order), which is also unlikely.
Although it would be funny to see some of the rah rah boys heads spin if that happened.
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3 minutes ago, NorthTexan95 said:
"not necessarily bad"? Dodge? McCarney? Benford? His hires were one of the biggest issues.
Let's not forget the scathing report made after he left which leaves to doubt he was in way over his head. The one thing that really sticks out in my mind is he had someone with NO ACCOUNTING DEGREE handing the millions of dollars in the AD budget. RV was awful.
Just wait. In a couple of years certain people on this forum and in the program will want to nominate him for the hall of fame. That’s gonna happen. And it shouldn’t. Ever.
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58 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:
I knew this thread would bring 90 back around. Likely the crowning achievement of his life.
It had little-to-no-impact on anything (something about wheels in motion...) But I’m glad y’all can be proud of something in life.
That’s the impenetrable defense. That & “well, what did YOU do?!?”
Hardly the crowning achievement of my life. But one thing is for sure, it definitely wasn’t any achievement in your life, was it?
And that’s why you hate it so much...
1 hour ago, greenminer said:You're suggesting that anyone against the banner wanted RV to stay.
Nope, just that they were willing to sit on their hands and let the status quo be.
Thank God some didn’t.
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4 minutes ago, meaniegreenie said:
While I agree with a lot of what you say, attacking the fans isn't the full story.
For most of the last 30+ years, the "fans" could have completely stayed home (0 attendance), burned down most of the facilities, and flown 5 banners every day and you know what would have happened....NOTHING.
We've finally got support for athletics at the upper levels of the administration and that makes for a whole new climate for the first time forever.
Support? Benford was allowed to coach out a contract, it took well over 6 months from the time the media reported on the banner (flying it wasn’t important, media coverage was) until RV “resigned.”
Dont think because things are going well this fall that’s the terrible culture that is UNT athletics has magically changed. It hasn’t.
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37 minutes ago, Green92 said:
Poor taste and shows poor character.
Right, because left to folks like you, RV would still be here and we would still suck.
Some people decided to do the heavy lifting. Most sat on their hands and criticized. Here’s to the doers, especially the one cat overseas that donated about half the amount. That guy is a freaking hero to this program, and his “character” is spot on.
43 minutes ago, Hunter Green said:No need to pour salt in the wound. Rick did some good things for us, but stayed a little too long, that's all.
10 years is more than “a little too long.” UNT is ripe to make the same mistake again.Mainly because it has one of the dumbest fan bases in college athletics. How else do you explain an RV being allowed to hang around for 10 years after he should have been fired.
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4 hours ago, oldguystudent said:
I'm still struggling to get the salt off my shoulder from the time George snapped at me for involuntarily chuckling at his impassioned "Hire Hank Dickenson as AD because he's my old friend!" speech during that super secret Ernie/Trip meeting in June of last year.
Now I kinda wanna finally go get a twitter account and start a twitter trolling campaign with "Hey George! You FINALLY gonna make it to a game?"
Ha. This brings back memories. During that same inane speech, he talked about being “personally attacked” because of his open campaigning for Hank. He was referring to me tweeting both he and Smatresk and asking Smatresk not to let George get his friend a job.
Guess what, Georgio? You don’t want criticism, don’t attempt to use you’re HUGE local public platform to good ole boy a friend a job. Yes, you can be questioned and should be AT EVERY TURN because it’s clear your personal agenda is more important than UNT athletic success. You talk about sports for a living. You aren’t any better than any other fan. Get over yourself. You shouldn’t have even been allowed inside a fan meeting as it was crystal clear that you would tell Hank everything you remembered from that meeting.
Georgio is everything old Denton. He is perfectly OK with UNT sucking as long as he is worshiped as an alum. Challenge him and he would rather ruin your fandom than allow someone so beneath him to submit such a challenge. His response to Austin (who, whether he likes it or not is so Ben Gooding 4 years ago and will eventually follow Ben’s path) is juvenile and indicative of #oldDenton. I️ mean, why even respond at all?
Seems the rah rah fan club boys on this one opinion allowed forum have VERY short memories where UNT history is concerned. Here is a very short rehash:
Your now idol Georgio did everything in his power to make sure your also now idol Ween Baker didn’t get the job, and then did everything in his power to make sure your now idol Wren Baker was forced to retain a guy that VERY PUBLICLY campaigned for Wren Baker’s job. All because Georgio put his own self interests above UNTs. And using #OldDenton in that tweet is a direct shot a Baker.
Seems like you rah-rah fan club boys have idol identification issues to me...
Adios mofos.
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3 minutes ago, BTG_Fan1 said:
Dear lord WB either didn't trust the assistant coaches under TB nor could he have brought in his guy at the time.. firing a HC, WB pointed out doesn't help either..
No idea about the softball coach as I have no real experience with that sport..
The Hank thing is likely he because he is 1- Producing in his new spot and has connections with the right people that are larger donors that keep giving because of Hank.. 2- He has some type of contract that isn't easy to get out but again none of us have any idea how their contracts are set up.. Coming in and just firing everyone is nice for some people on here because they hated RV and everything he touched, but coming in and cleaning house isn't how most businesses run.
Also, are you trying to say WB is to scared to fire SL??? Anyone considering the removal of SL has no idea what they are talking about
The Hank thing is because Wren was told he couldn't fire him. Plain and simple.
Same old UNT.
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This isn't hard. The coaches know his limitation, and they try to Taylor the offense around those weeknesses.
Go back and watch the pressed when Littrell announced him as starter. Littrell's comment was "he is a good game manager." What a ringing endorsement
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4 minutes ago, Mean_Green09 said:
Hey old man you need to take your shit somewhere else. The great people of GMG.com don't need you to tell them their team is sucky. Go suck on some TCU titty over at Killer Frogs.com
Hey, child, this is football, and since I give at a much larger level than you, I'll say wht I want. Maybe you should wake the F up and demand some accountability
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16 minutes ago, meanrob said:
You're right, this will probably be a four win team. And you want to know why?
Because when RV was a total dipshit AD (and it was obvious back in about 2004) you still supported him and he was kept to hire a dipshit like Mac who ran this program into the ground. Only when it was CLEARLY obvious ten years too late did you finally raise a peep about RV. So look in the mirror pal. Because it's guys like you who kept saying RV was doing a great job that allowed him to stick around and royally screw up this program. You and your ilk were the original 17.
LOL. I wasn't even connect to this crap in 2004. You must have me confused with someone else, pal.
And at least I did something. What the F did you do?
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And exactly what has improved since RV left? Because all his cronies still work at the AD
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6 minutes ago, BTG_Fan1 said:
+1
Never believed the hype or anything.. Ive said repeatedly here this is a 6-6 team.. but you were away to miss it.. but keep thinking the end is coming..
This will be lucky to be a 4 win team.
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18 minutes ago, CaribbeanGreen said:
Mason Fine threw for 424 yards and 3 TDs. Jeff Wilson couldn't hit 40 yards. Yeah, Fine is the problem. Jeez.
Now, go back and look and see how many of those yards came after the score was 52-17 and SMU's 8th team was in the game.
The football intelligence of this board is f'n below zero.
At the half he had 105 yards passing.
ONE HUNDRED AND FIVE!!!!
Ever think 10 in the box might affect the running game????
So freaking stupid.
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13 minutes ago, BTG_Fan1 said:
We fans need to be real with our expectations of this team.. after Lamar we thought way to highly of team.
This is still mostly the same team from last year (sadly).
YOU thought way too highly of them. I bet you BillySea didn't. Because he understands what the F is going on in recruiting.
You WANTED to lie to yourself. That lie is exposed. Will contact bye to be exposed next weekend. And will possibly be driven like a steak through your heart in the UAB game.
But keep on being you.
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3 minutes ago, Ryan Munthe said:
I can be considered a Mac apologist but goddamn if he didn't just murder our program by refusing to recruit at the end. We beat SMU and they rebuilt faster we did, and we beat UTSA and now they appear to be ahead of us. It's pretty shameful, we haven't even been 2-0 in forever. This pisses me off.
You do realize that Littrell's recruiting is right where Mac's was his last couple of years, right?
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30 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:
Paying him that much and extending his contract was not going to make him a better coach. I'm not going to say he's a bad coach, but IMO, the jury should still be out on him.
He is a bad recruiter, or hires them.
Either way, it's a path to disaster.
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1 hour ago, emmitt01 said:
Speaking of delusional...
Still sticking with this?
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1 minute ago, @UNTSportsFan said:
Just think , they've had 2 years to gameplan for their 1st conference opponent.. this game will be a struggle
It's not that tough on defense. Put 9 or 10 in the box. Easy as pie.
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4 minutes ago, letsgiveacheer said:
We go through this every season. Lower your expectations and everything will be all right.
Spoken like a true member of this board. Losing isn't the problem, the fans are.
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Posted · Edited by UNT90
Lol. The fact that you think I’m “slamming the staff” is quite comical. I actually complimented them for realizing very early the potential that Fine has.
If I cared to dig, I could probably find the local paper article that described Fine’s recruitment, but I don’t. You can keep on believing that the first thing Littrell did when he got here is say to himself “gee, I gotta go to Oklahoma and get that kid that zero other FBS schools have offered.” I mean, that’s so much more likely, right?
Why the dumbest fanbase in college football can’t get that everything Littrell (or any staff) does isn’t perfect never ceases to amaze. Guess what, he isn’t perfect, and his recruiting has been far from it. If that doesn’t get better, this will be Mac 2.0.
Now, go ahead, do what the dumbest fanbase in America does and kill the messenger.