[SMU considering Littrell among others]

3 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

I could honestly care less what you value. I usually take my information straight from the horses mouth. You can take it or leave it! 

Riiiiggt, and the horses mouth would never use you to get the info out they wanted, would they? Because, gosh darn it, y’all are friends. 

You do realize this hurts the credibility of your info on things like this, right? 

Multiple sources from different entities. Learn it, live it, know it.

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

2 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

it wouldnt be the first time you had been... and not many coaches with 14-22 records do! must be a slow day on frogsofwar.com for you to grace us with your presence.

Ah, by the insults and personal attacks I see I wasn’t. 

Pardon me if I value the info of the SMU poster over yours on this subject...

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

9 hours ago, Quoner said:

REAL POINT: I would agree 100% that this board actively discourages decent opinions (see what I did there?) Your presence is also missed and I wish you knew how to make points more efficiently and calmly because that's probably the biggest reason you end up feeling so attacked.

FAKE POINT: You're a snowflake who needs a safe space on the internet without all these mean ol' meanies. 

Na, I feel so attacked because it’s been encouraged and participated in by management. So it be. 

But I am glad to see someone else who recognizes the obvious. 

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

56 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

I'm pretty confident in my statement. And that hasn't waivered. I may completly wiff on this. But I will say Seth Littrell will Not be the next coach at SMU. I would double down and say extension with UNT wil be announced in coming day

I could be wrong, but didn’t you also say Chad Morris wouldn’t get a P5 gig?

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

25 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

You can’t prove it, thus it isn’t true, right 90?

Lol. Nothing better than to say this to people. It’s called marketing a brand. Color me extremely skeptical. 

And the source you quoted might as well have been an AD rep, so...

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

4 hours ago, VideoEagle said:

Bringing the thread back on topic, does anyone have anything that suggests Seth is an actual candidate at SMU? On PonyFans they are suggesting pulling his name out of their poll to be replaced by "actual candidates." 

By the way, no mention at all of DD on PonyFans. DD was the OC at SMU the year before we hired him. 

I continue to think Seth will stay at NT. He's getting multiple mentions of "keep an eye on" and "someone to watch" from the reporters who follow coaching changes. Another year with 8 or more wins will show he can build a program from downtrodden to winning.

Frankly, that will also help remove the "no one can win at North Texas" stigma as someone will have just accomplished it. 

Wow, Seth isn’t even worthy of one of the worst jobs in FBS (according to Chad Morris and pushed by GMG24)?...

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

2 minutes ago, xyresic said:

Facts are facts. The board does not discourage dissenting opinions but it should discourage people from stating opinions and masquerading them as facts. More FBS coaches start out in the HS ranks than any other level besides FBS. That includes FCS, D2 & D3, Juco, NFL, CFL you name it. This year 27 FBS head coaches started their careers coaching in the HS ranks. Guys like Briles, Malzahn and many P5 coaches. I would say that qualifies it as a training ground for future FBS coaches, and that yes in fact it is the same sport.

Following your logic Briles HS head coaching experience was not applicable and he was hired as Houston's head coach based on two years of coaching running backs at Tech. I think it stands to reason that Morris gained valuable things from his HS head coaching years: recruiting ties, creative playcalling, experience running a show and experience speaking to fans & media etc. Seth is getting more polished over time, but Morris has a clear advantage over Seth in this area. Some of it is personality and some of it is experience being the head guy. 

Coaches do not get hired based on the profile of the school they are leaving. They  get hired based on what they did to improve the school. PJ Fleck didn't get hired because Western Michigan was a titan. He was hired by a P5 because he took a MAC team that hadn't won their conference since 2000 and went 13-1 in 2016.

By the way, Arkansas wanted Malzahn (coached HS from 1991-2005) and ended up with Morris (coached HS 1994-2009). Interesting facts there.

UNT fans will go to great lengths to convince themselves of certain things. This is a fine example. 

If High School was an equivalent to college experience, why aren’t more high school head coaches hired straight in to be head coach at major universities? Hell, members of this fan base, maybe even you, bitch and moan constantly about high school Todd Dodge being allowed to take over here.

How many head coaches that went straight from high school to head coaching at the FBS level have been successful? I mean, only a handful have been given the oportunity. If your logic applies, why weren’t there more, and why weren’t they succcessful?

Again, you are thinking with your mean green heart and not your brain. But that’s what this board does nowadays.

Oh, and the student vote? So so so so UNT.

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

18 hours ago, GMG24 said:

not going to.  look at the schools that came open, do some research. 

Ya, ok. Guess what. I got P5 offers, also. If I say it, it must be true, right? 

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

11 hours ago, xyresic said:

While you are looking through their "profile files" can you tell me how many more years Morris has been coaching than Seth? (hint avg. SEC coaches age at the start of the season was 49 and Chad Morris is drum roll please...49).

Since you are the resident Nostradamus here - where in your profile file did you predict Mason Fine as Offensive POY with 28 tds? Or the file where you pegged us at 9 wins?

This online persona you put out is a shame since in person you are well spoken and likeable.

High school and college aren’t the same sport. You think our fans would have learned that with Dodge. Take away Morris’s high school coaching years, and Littrell may even have more experience. 

Morris does have a better P5 assistant resume than Littrell, but he has also done less at SMU, so those kinda balance out. 

Fine figured it out in his second year like some of us prayed that he would. Something clicked after the Iowa game, and that’s awesome. I don’t think anyone predicted Fine as 1st team or POTY this year beside that relative that posts. Littrell showed guts by staying with Fine in the Iowa game, and he was proven right. 

SMU is just a more respected, higher profile program than UNT, and UNT fans just can’t stand to hear that truth because they falsely perceive some rivalry with SMU exists. You can hate them, but realize that hate flows only one way. They just rarely even think about UNT.

The facts are what the facts are. This board just NEVER wants to hear them, and actively discourages decenting opinions.

 

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

1 hour ago, pastorgrant said:

I agree that it is lateral. SMUg has money and a better conference, but UNT has way more potential as a program, and way more fan support (even though still lacking). 

If he keeps winning, the money will follow here at UNT.

Potential? Heard that in 2008. Heard that in 2011. Words are easy. Work isn’t. 

Potential means you haven’t done squat. So... we agree? 

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

1 hour ago, Green Mean said:

SMU is a lateral move IMO.  No I'm not a NT blowhard but outside of the DFW & older hardcore SWC fans, SMU doesn't move the needle at all.  They're lucky their BBall program is doing great but other than that SMU isn't viewed as something great. All SMU has been able to do since the death penalty is still latch on to their old SWC affiliation and the fact that they have money and lots of it and some donors willing to do whatever it takes to get back to what they view as prominent.  

I think Morris kinda had a leg up even before coming to SMU...he came from a big time CFB program in Clemson, has been credited recruiting and developing Deshaun Watson and helping develop the what is now the Clemson juggernaut.  SL on the other hand came from UNC but was/is nothing near what Clemson is.  So I think even before coming to SMU & NT respectively I think Morris still had more of a leg up hype & viewpoint wise than SL IMO.

If SL wants to leave then let him....my view of him wouldn't change one iota because such is life...people change jobs every day so they can get paid more, better opportunity etc and SL wouldn't be any different.  As I previously said I'm more concerned about what WB has planned and prepared if that situation occurs than with SL leaving.

If SMU is a “lateral move,” why is Morris coaching at Arkansas while Littrell didn’t get a sniff of that job? 

SMU is a higher profile file program in a better, higher profile file conference. 

If you were Littrell, would you rather coach the players Morris recruited the last 2 years or the players that Littrell recruited the last 2 years?

For a million dollars plus more a year. 

No brainer. If Littrell gets the offer.

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

2 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

Never said he turned down Arkansas.  

And still haven’t told us about these supposed P5 offers.

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

7 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

Where he talks about everyone calling him crazy for going to SMU bc they're traditionally one of the worst schools in college football.  Yes that part.  

You act like that is some kind of breaking news that Morris would get a shot before Seth.  Seth had a few options to go P5 this year but isn't leaving unless its the right situation.  He may stay here a few more years and wait for that opportunity. 

Lol. Ok. Care to name names where these opportunities occurred? And if SMU is such a terrible program, and Morris only got it to 6-6 in the same time span that Littrell turned UNT from 1-11 to 9-4, yet Arkansas picks Morris over Littrell (never even considered), what does that say about where UNT is as opposed to SMU? One of “the worst programs in America” yet better than UNT?

Or are you telling us Littrell turned down Arkansas to stay at UNT? Cause that ain’t ever happening.

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

21 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

You must have not watched this video.  

A video that shows Chad Morris coaching a P5 team? Before Seth Littrell? As I predicted? 

You’re right. Haven’t watched it...

If UNT were sports smart (history says they aren’t), they would be proactive in this instance. Is it a HUGE gamble considering the inability of this staff to prove it’s recruiting chops? You betcha! But guess what, being a college football big boy, even on the G5 level, means a willingness to pay off a contract when needed (something UNT proved with Benford they are still reluctant to do). 

This could get really interesting...

[SMU considering Littrell among others]

Rah rah boy fanboard: “Oh my god, every P5 in the universe is coming after Seth Littrell!!!!!!!1!1!

UNT90: Uh, Chad Morris is much more marketable. Better P5 resume. Coaches a more high profile program. 

Rah rah boys: You are stupid, you are an ass, you hate UNT, why don’t you just leave this program and go away.

UNT90: But what’s even more funny will be the reaction on this rah rah boy board when SMU looks at Littrell to replace Morris.

Rah rah boys: Littrell loves UNT so much he’d never leave. EVER!!!!!!1!!11! He’d probably even coach here for free. 

UNT90: Well, SMU is the highest paying G5 job and a step up from UNT. So could you imagine the rah rah boy head explosion with Seth Littrell on the SMU sideline opening day next year?

rah rah fan boy: Group laughter. 

 

Well, Mofos, so far I’ve been directly on point. Now you have AD moles telling you Littrell will never leave for SMU. Ya, because who wants to make $1 million more a year while coaching for a higher profile program, right?

Maybe y’all should be prepared, because the only reason Littrell won’t leave for SMU is if SMU chooses someone else. That’s just a college sports fact. 

Perhaps the rah rah fan boys need to consider that Fine has a redshirt year to burn. Might he follow Littrell to SMU?

Now, go ahead and name call me without any consequences.

Adios, Mofos!

 

[MGN: on Beat Writers and SL's time]

F

9 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

They told him sure you can walk on and be on the team.  If we did that with ANY other kid you'd fondness some reason to complain about it.  To each their own.  

Number one, I never complain about any preferred walk on. Number two, I surely wouldn’t complain about a preferred walk on that was an all-dfw area 3rd teamer, one of the most talent rich areas in the United States. I mean, they aren’t costing a scholarship, remember? 

But yet you apparently don’t want that kid as a walk on option? Lol. Just a shill for this regime.

[MGN: on Beat Writers and SL's time]

5 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

No such thing, there isn't an "offer there". You can tell a kid he well give you a PWO, but there is no offer.  The only offer I consider is one that comes with a full scholarship. 

Lol. Ok mister “depends on what the definition of is is”. I think even the intellectually challenged on this forum can read our convo and see who meant what. 

Good to know you don’t want a kid that Texas Tech does...

[MGN: on Beat Writers and SL's time]

1 hour ago, GreenBacker said:

So, I don’t post here as much as many of you, but have been coming back more with the great season and the tone of this board improving.  You may be happy, but man, it’s awfully hard to believe you are as happy as anyone.  Word’s tend to reflect feelings and most words you use to describe UNT are not synonymous with happiness. 

Again, in my little time here, I’ve heard this multiple times.  How many times can you say the same thing and expect people to still believe you?

You haven’t been here long. Maybe you are unfamiliar with board history and maybe program history? I don’t know. But here is the thing, on this board, if you have a legitimate question about anything having to do with this program, you are immediately and viciously attacked. I mean just about MFed, and without consequences from any moderator. Just look at the beating poor Ben has taken since my departure. Simply for expressing an alternate opinion.

This board, it’s mods and owner only want one opinion expressed. And that opinion better not question anything about the current regime. That’s the same position this board held for the previous regime for a very long time. And look at the consequences. 

Diverse opinion is good. Too bad it’s not allowed here.  

Oh, and just because I question recruiting, and I do, doesn’t mean I’m unhappy about this year’s performance. Obviously I’m not. But this performance is not sustainable going forward without better recruiting. It’s a single issue argument. 

And Adios Mofo is a permanent sign off, just a way to poke the mofo bears. 

[MGN: on Beat Writers and SL's time]

2 hours ago, GMG24 said:

YOU said it. 

Ya, PREFERRED WALK ON OFFER!!! You know, that thing we were talking about until you changed the narrative to suit your argument because you know there is no defense for what happened.

Alternate opinions aren’t allowed on thIs forum. Why I post on the other one now-a-days. 

Adios, Mofos! 

[MGN: on Beat Writers and SL's time]

15 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

yeah my friends sosaia, mayfield, colton, rico, michael, jaelon, nic, hambone, EJ, Dee, Kemon, Khairi, Makyle, Cam, Evan, Tony, Dion and Mason all disagree with you.

 

so of the 150,000 kids in Texas playing football the staff should check measurable and find the best back stories and not evaluate talent. Got it!! Tech has be dominating under coach Bro especially on defense..Hit me up when he hits the field in Lubbock!! i will eat grow unlike you are willing to do with the seth Hiring!!!!

 

                                                                  

No, but when they are told by multiple sources that a 3rd team all-DFW area, unanimous all district DT with FBS measurable WANTS to come to their school AND CAN BE HAD FOR A PREFERRED WALK ON OFFER, they should return the call. They didn’t have to look, they were TOLD. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Can you get that through that thick Littrell loving skull of yours? 

I read Billy’s recruiting evals because he is honest, if at times a bit too PC for my liking. Yours I find unrealiable because you find zero fault in anything this staff does. Hell, you have an excuse for every decomitt ever. I have no doubt whatever Littrell’s staff produces; you will grade it an A. 

I get it. You get close to people and lose objectivity. 

The fact that you can’t simply admit this was a mistake by this staff says a lot. 

Adios, Mofos!!

[MGN: on Beat Writers and SL's time]

12 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

6'4 285 and stiff as a board. Staff liked Novil and Krasniqi. Didn't have a PWO spot and weren't crazy about the kid. Why waste his time and call??? Utep is 0-11 and they didn't even offer... 

You have no idea the backstory on the kid, and you wouldn’t care if I told you because you will shill for this staff on every subject. Just the way it be.

But go ahead and berate a 18 year old kid at a P5 because the great you believes in this staff and EVERY decision they make.. 

Here is a little future telling for you. If recruiting doesn’t pick up in the next two years, this board will turn viciously on this staff the year after Fine graduates. Why the year after Fine graduates? Because with Fine as QB, this team will contend in CUSA every year. Without Fine or a comparable QB, UNT is sitting at maybe 3 wins right now. That’s how important QBs are in this conference. 

[MGN: on Beat Writers and SL's time]

9 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

WTH are you even talking about. Are you just griping to gripe?? We are 8-3 and playing for a conference championship... With over 50% of the two deep guys littrell as brought in. And 75% underclassmen. As far as your buddies friend and your source is concerned the staff went to SLC. I'm sorry they didn't offer your friends kid. Move on. I understand this is a hard time for as much dirt as you tried to throw on the Seth hiring as we are a week away from conference championship game and your boy Fritz is looking like he won't even make a bowl... But stay sour my friend!! 

And you keep that head firmly n the sand. I mean, that’s what we do around here, right?

Im as happy as anyone about this season, but it’s unsustainable unless recruiting improves dramatically. And that recruiting is what will keep Seth from P5 offers.

Abd hey, that may change this February. But until it does, it hasn’t. If it does, much like Fine, I’ll change my tune.

My days of being a rah rah boy and ignoring warning bells ended in 2015. Keep your eyes open, 

[MGN: on Beat Writers and SL's time]

17 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

Umm obviously no FBS school willing to spend a scholly?? Come on man, give it up.  No one thought the kid could play at this level.  It is what it is.  I'm curious what Baylor freshman is playing that UNT didn't even look at? 

Like I said, we will see in a couple of years. But ya, UNT should never extend a preferred walkon offer to someone Tech deems valuable is the same, right? 

No one is talking about a scholly but you, because you are on the wrong end of this argument and know it. If this kid had played for you, you would have called UNT and you would have been pissed that they didn’t return your call. 

But go ahead and score internet points by downgrading an 18 year old at a P5 program. I mean... you win?

 

[MGN: on Beat Writers and SL's time]

1 hour ago, aztecskin said:

Eh.

1. His ties to the Locuat Grove guy got him the call which is valuableand part of the package when looking up a HC — his ties. I’ll take this kind of luck any day. 

2. This kid you keep pushing — why didn’t he walk on at NT? 

UNT refused to make a phone call to him to make an offer. Even after being contacted by his coaches. 3rd team all-area. 6’4” 285lbs of rock solid muscle. 

But, ya. Who needs that?

[MGN: on Beat Writers and SL's time]

7 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

Lol to that... you want anything to do with a kid the old Baylor regime wanted? 

Those kids are starting as true freshmen.