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The NT Daily become horribly bad seemingly overnight. What the hell happened?
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2 hours ago, Greendylan said:
Exactly. I know a lot of people might have looked at Charlotte's record and assumed we would blow them out, but they have mostly been tough at home in CUSA games.
Regarding next week's games, a split followed by another split against the F_Us on the road would probably sneak us into pod play at the bottom end of the top group. But, if we have any designs of finishing in the first or second spot, then I think we have to sweep the Marshall/WKU home games. That won't be easy, but I'm not sure the Florida road games will be any easier.
CUSA road wins are huge. Especially Saturday games. Winning game #2 on the road in CUSA is really tough. Watching the scores every week, home court is huge for the Saturday game. Few CUSA teams charter. For instance our team probably left Wednesday morning flew to Norfolk. Practiced, went through scouting report, etc. Played a night game on Thursday. Get up early Friday morning and catch flight to Charlotte. Hold a practice somewhere, film, scouting report, etc. Get up next day and play an afternoon game. Because of the way the league does it, your 2nd road game is always against a team that's played both at home. At least we have lots of direct flights. From Ruston, Hattiesburg, etc. the flight itinerary would be much worse.
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2 hours ago, Cr1028 said:
He won’t have a monster year as long as Rico Bussey is our top dog. Rico is just plain better by production which is what matters at the collegiate level. By measurables, Jalen May have the edge and that is what the NFL is more concerned about which is why folks like Darius Hayward Bey get drafted ahead of Michael Crabtree.
I agree Rico is better. But if he catches half of his drops, his numbers would improve dramatically.
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16 hours ago, Cr1028 said:
I’m sure almost all of us would’ve seen some employable value benefit from another year in school but is it worth the time/cost/energy? Jalen wants to start his post-school life like anyone else. I’m sure he realizes he isn’t a prized draft pick but be honest, do you truly think his draft stock would improve next year? If anything, it seemed to decline this season compared to last.
I'm all for Jalen making the decision he wants to make. He's been a good player for UNT and I believe he graduated in December so he's earned that right. But objectively I think he's making a mistake. When you ask would his draft stock improve, the answer is yes if his production improved, he became more consistent and he eliminated his many drops. I'd argue the other side of this. Coming back won't diminish his draft stock because his draft stock is non existent right now. He won't get drafted. No one has him anywhere near being drafted. It is a class stocked with receivers. His only hope to get drafted would be to come back and have a killer year. I don't fault the young man for chasing his dreams but the reality he is he stood to gain substantially with an impressive senior year and has nothing to lose. That being said, I hope he can get some tryouts, impress a team and catch on. He's one of our own and I'll be hoping for a miracle break through. I think he's making a mistake but it's his life, he earned the right to make the decision and I'm not mad at him.
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On 12/26/2018 at 11:09 PM, risinggreen said:
Why not move the Frisco/Denton Bowl to Apogee. About the right capacity for a lower level bowl, and easy access from the north during bowl season.
I believe city of Dallas still gives $300k annually to help "keep" the bowl. Can't imagine Denton doing that. Not saying they shouldn't but that's not Denton's MO. Without a huge sponsorship/support bowls lose lots of money. That's probably why most are owned by ESPN who can justify the loss because they get a game to put on TV.
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18 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:
Again, why do so many think a team can pick their bowl?
No doubt. It's perplexing.
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12 hours ago, CK2 said:
No, not really. Look at average ranking per recruit. Like I said, UNT does not know how to get their players drafted.
There's insults, there's brain dead comments and there's this...perhaps the dumbest thing I've seen on this board. Would expect nothing less from a Coug. Go to your own board. They need you. They have a MAJOR problem over there. And GTFO
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On 12/21/2018 at 9:31 AM, wardly said:
My bad. I just assumed that both teams would be required to buy a total of 9,000 tickers, which is half the capacity, similar to the requirement of New Mexico Bowl. I just couldn't believe that the Frisco Bowl couldn't sell another 3-4,000, so assumed the announced attendance of 11,000 was butts in the seat. One again, to assume is to make an ass out of me. For that I apologize.The only reason I ever broached the subject of attendance in Albuquerque is my concern as to how can UNT continue to lose money by participating in these second tier bowls. We had to eat the cost of 8,500 tickets, plus cost of team,band,dancers, cheerleaders,etc. To me the big picture is football for 2nd tier programs is a failing business model. Overall, attendance is down for college football, and t,v, revenues for UNT are basically non existent. Coaching and administrative costs are skyrocketing, travel costs increasing, and for us football is becoming a gate revenue sport.In the real world when expenses continue to rise and revenues decline you have a business that is on life support at best.While I realize that collegiate sports seen to be exempt from normal business practices, at what point do you pay the piper?
Smaller bowls don't require anywhere near 8,500 tickets. That number is for the bigger bowls. Most smaller bowls are 3-5k. I'm sure some schools don't sell them all but nonetheless.
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32 minutes ago, FirefightnRick said:
Logan is 62 Miles further than Denton.
No...USU did not take more fans than North Texas. It was visually a dead even match between the two sides. We had LOTS of time to view and discuss it from the stands because......there certainly wasn’t much else to discuss.
The N.M. attendance did beat several other bowl attendances per saturday’s Dallas Morning News. So I can’t see how passing on a reported fact is considered bragging?
Rick
Agree Rick. I was in NM. I would put UNT attendance at 2,000. Utah State at 1700. We definitely had more there than them but if I'm being truthful the advantage was probably due to size of the bands. Utah State had some UNM people on their side that helped them fill it in a bit. The game was miserable due to our play. But myself, my son and his two friends had a blast. The people were very friendly and the food was good. It got pretty damn cold when the sun started going down. The total attendance was probably around 6-7k but could pass for more in a 40,000 seat stadium. Honestly not sure what people expect. Both USU and UNT had games this year with scans not much off that on their home campus. (And before you come at me, I guarantee Southern Miss was in that neighborhood).
Never got fans like some on this thread crapping on bowl games. What the hell difference is it to you? If the bowl loses money, it's not your damn money. Schools and conferences obviously see a benefit or they wouldn't play them. ESPN obviously has an audience for them because they are constantly looking to add more. The players get to go somewhere new and actually see more than an airport and hotel. They can get a nice bowl gift around Christmas and winners probably get a ring they can show their kids.
This is pretty simple. If you don't like the matchup, opponent, location, date, etc. Don't frieking go! But no one cares to hear you come on the board and shit on the bowl game. Takes a pretty sad sack of a person to come on here and dog out people who do go and do enjoy such games.
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7 hours ago, Christopher Walker said:
Brewer is not a music major.
I read after the fake punt he's going to be a fireman. Not sure what major would set you up best for that, but suffice it to say probably not music.
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This quote is pretty much what I've been trying to say. By the way, Del Conte is considered the GOAT of ADs.
The new arena will seat 10,000 for basketball games, but it can also hold up to 15,000 for concerts and events. The Erwin Center currently seats up to 16,540 for games. Del Conte said Texas averages roughly 9,000 fans for men's home games.
Del Conte said the smaller, 10,000-seat arena will create a more intimate, intimidating and louder atmosphere.
"It's like building a baseball stadium," Del Conte said. "You don't build it for the weekend series. You build it for the Tuesday game. A 10,000-seat arena is fantastic and perfect for us."
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3 hours ago, UNTFan23 said:
Frank Erwin Center holds 16k per Wikipedia. Seems short-sighted to build a smaller stadium for as large a student population that UT has. 🙄
I watched Abe Lemmons coach em to 26-5 record and NIT championship in '78. Place was packed. Why would they ever build something smaller? 😏
I kid, I kid.
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4 hours ago, Travis said:
I think my favorite part of the game last night is when Santa walked down to the band. While he was there, the band started to chant to the other team ‘you better watch out! You better watch out!’ Freaking hilarious. I miss those kind of things.
That was hilarious! And that Santa was legit!
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1 hour ago, UNTLifer said:
Yes, when you consider that the only consistent winning since it opened was the Blakely years followed by a downgrade in conference, bad coaching hires, etc...until JJ arrived, then a failed hire by a failed AD. I state that the minimum should be 8,000 as long as the current administration is around, the university is committed to excellence not only in academics but also athletics, and the growth projections of North Texas are met.
For the most part, attendance nationally has trended downward for several years. Student attendance even more so. I think Johnny Jones years are a good example. 5 consecutive 20+ wins seasons with two NCAA tournaments which was better than Blakely's three 20 win seasons. And only once did we exceed 7,000 announced attendance. It was 7,100 vs Texas Tech. Building an arena on the hope we can have 5 consecutive 20 win seasons with two NCAA appearances and be able to host in-state Big 12 team is literally like building a house for Thanksgiving to me. Yeah, you're ready for that one day out of 365 but it doesn't make any sense the other 364 days. Houston has better tradition and is in a similar metro area. They've won 20+ the past three years and are 9-0 and ranked 21st in the country. They are in a just opened renovated venue. They announced a sellout for LSU a few days ago but if you watched the game, there were several hundred seats available. Here's announced attendances this year 3725, 3952, 3784, 3872, 7092 (Oregon), 5587, 7039 (LSU), 6131. Want an example closer to home? UTA won 20+ each of the last three seasons. They haven't come close to filling up their 7,000 seat arena despite having 42,000 students. In fact in 16-17 when they won 27 games including winning at Texas, they averaged 2,798 (announced). TCU averaged 6,200 during Jamie Dixon's first season in a newly renovated arena. It dropped to just over 6,000 last year. That's announced and actual attendance isn't close to that if you watch their games. Their arena capacity? Just under 7,000.
I get there is differences of opinion. But I'll say this again, there is no facts or analysis out there saying we need an arena bigger than 7,000. (I'd argue for 6-000-6,500 but won't for the sake of blowing some minds around here). And if attendance numbers from 40 years ago is the argument for, there are a significant number of modern day examples that say different including our own during Johnny's reign. To me, it makes much more sense to build an arena that we can make a home court advantage every game than to build one we would maybe come close to filling every 5-6 years. We can disagree. I'll be there beside you cheering regardless.
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3 hours ago, UNTFan23 said:
The Athletic Department wants to add suites and more loge boxes. In order to do that, existing seats will have to be removed. The AD has to get permission from UNT to do that. Since the Coliseum is used pretty much all year round for all sorts of events, that seating can be pretty important, especially for events like high school graduations. Reducing the number of seats might not be something UNT is willing to do, so the AD has to just do without it (and loses additional revenue streams).
Our volleyball team plays in a gym that would be considered low end for most high schools in the area. While the low ceiling is an advantage to NTVB and helps make for a louder environment, the facility lacks in just about every category a decent college facility would have.
The new basketball arena would be used by both VB and MBB/WBB and would be available year round for both sports, something that isn't the case today, especially for our basketball teams.
It's way more complex then just a "scheduling" issue.
Lots of good points. Sounds like University admin wants Super Pit capacity to stay at 10K because it hosts dozens of commencements each year. Perhaps even more important than UNT commencements is hosting 20+ high school commencements which is a great recruiting tool.
The issues with the Pit are the lack of ammenities (think hub club at Apogee) or premium seating. No suites and very few courtside seats. The ath dept added the loge seating last year which immediately sold out which shows demand for premium seating. Any renovation that helps with the needs of the athletic department cuts capacity which isn't what the University wants for their events.
Costs - It often costs more to renovate an old facility than build new. You be demolishing tons of concrete to build suites and club seats and expand loge seating. Plus all of the existing chairbacks are terribly uncomfortable. To renovate the Pit the right way would probably be $60 million plus and the University loses what it probably sees as an asset (huge place to host graduation). You'd also have to replace expensive things like infrastucture (wiring, plumbing, etc.) to modernize the facility to host other things like concerts. If you think the figure is high, that's exactly what Houston just spent on the Hoffeinz which is very similar to the Super Pit.
And despite what some people say the Pit is WAY too big. You can talk about the 40k students all we want but they've shown no interest in consistently coming to events other than football (even FB is inconsistent).
Here's top 12 all time crowds in history
1. 10,600 vs SMU (1977) 2. 9,100 vs DePaul (1980) 3. 8,816 vs WTAMU (1976)
4. 8,100 vs Texas (1980) 5. 7,105 vs Texas Tech (2010) 6. 7,100 vs UTPanAmerican (1977)
7. 7,087 vs Bradley (1976) 8. 6,921 vs ULL (2012) 9. 6,838 vs LSU (2011)
10. 6,820 vs Baylor (1976) 11. 6,793 vs Ok State (2007) 12. 6,500 vs Creighton (1977)
I believe the next highest would be the CBI championship game. So in 42 years we've had a dozen crowds 6,500 or more. Five of those were against "Power 5" programs that probably brought a lot of the fans. Only 7 more than 7,000 with two of those being against Texas and Texas Tech. These were probably tickets sold with actual in the building being somewhat less. There are lots of schools with large enrollments out there, there's no evidence that winning basketball plus large enrollment equals monster crowds.
Texas is building a 10,000 seat arena. They play in the Big 12, they are the state's flagship University (apologies to A&M) and they have a way better history/tradition. I'd bet a nickel to a dollar that Texas probably thinks they could go even smaller but know people will lose their minds if they come in under 10,000. Those of you who think we need a 10,000 seat arena aren't basing that opinion on facts or analysis.
As mentioned, Houston (with 45,000 students) just renovated Hoffeinz. New capacity?? 7,100. We need a place that feels cozy when you have 3,000 but can accommodate 6,000 plus on the rare occasions we need it (which has been once every 3.5 years since 1976). That shouldn't offend anyone. The best thing that could ever happen to football or men's basketball is to sell out and turn people away. There's not a single marketing initiative that would create a bigger buzz than that. So on super rare occasions where we would need more than 7,000 (average 1 every 6 years), let's sell out! Only one time in the last 38 years would we have turned fans away in a 7,000 seat arena, that's vs Tech in 2010. You'd have to go all the way back to 1980 to find another time.
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18 minutes ago, meangreenJW said:
This is the image I found once on the UNT site regarding the facility master plan. It would be so sweet.
Was able to find it again.Don't know that I've seen this link posted but the level of detailed thought/research that went into our athletic facility master plan is impressive. Most people probably would get bored but being construction, I loved it.
https://vpaa.unt.edu/sites/default/files/IMCE/inserts/sab0047/athletic_masterplan_book_reduced.pdf
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1 hour ago, Matt from A700 said:
If I remember correctly, the estimated capacity was supposed to be closer to 7,000. I was thinking more of something like the College Park Center in Arlington.
This is the image I found once on the UNT site regarding the facility master plan. It would be so sweet.
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1 hour ago, Harry said:
National guys writing/tweeting/talking about UNT are becoming commonplace. What a time to be alive. LOL.
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41 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:
Maybe athletics could run some social media campaigns to attempt to draw a little more interest in women's soccer, especially with the new facility opening next season? I just have doubts that MLS success effectively translates to UNT Women's Soccer success.
I see quite a bit of social media promos. And they had several giveaways this year as well (including a John Hedlund key chain). I wonder if expenses were categorized right or pooled. This was from 16-17 so perhaps things were different then.
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8 hours ago, Wag Tag said:
Graham definitely looks like one of the better candidates!
IMO no way Graham does WVU. Dana will call the plays. That doesn't help Graham at all.
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8 minutes ago, Arkstfan said:
What happens to the dedicated revenue stream when the debt is paid? Does it go away? Does it go to the athletic department? Does it go to the university budget?
THAT is the interesting question.
Here's the statute. See letter (e). As long as UNT is financing, constructing, operating, maintaining, or improving an athletic facility or operating an intercollegiate athletics program the fee continues.
Sec. 54.5191. INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETICS FEE; UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS. (a) The board of regents of the University of North Texas System may charge each student enrolled at the University of North Texas an intercollegiate athletics fee in an amount not to exceed $10 per semester credit hour for each semester or summer session unless the amount is increased as provided by Subsection (g).
(b) A student enrolled in more than 15 semester credit hours shall pay the fee in an amount equal to the amount imposed on a student enrolled in 15 semester credit hours during the same semester or session.
(c) The fee may not be charged before the first semester a new football stadium is available for use at the university.
(d) If compulsory student services fees are charged to students enrolled at the university under Section 54.503, the total amount of those fees charged to a student shall be reduced by $3 per semester credit hour for the first semester in which an intercollegiate athletics fee is charged under this section.
(e) Revenue from the fee charged under this section may be used only for financing, constructing, operating, maintaining, or improving an athletic facility or for operating an intercollegiate athletics program at the university.
(f) The fee may not be charged unless approved by a majority vote of the students enrolled at the university who participate in a general student election held for that purpose. The ballot for the election to approve the fee must state a maximum amount of the fee that may be charged per semester credit hour, not to exceed the maximum amount prescribed by Subsection (a).
(g) The amount of the fee may not be increased to an amount that exceeds by 10 percent or more the amount of the fee as last approved by a student vote under Subsection (f) or this subsection unless the increase has been approved by a majority vote of the students enrolled at the university who participate in a general student election held for that purpose.
(h) The chief fiscal officer of the university shall collect the fee and shall deposit the revenue from the fee in an account to be known as the intercollegiate athletics fee account.
(i) A fee charged under this section is not considered in determining the maximum amount of student services fees that may be charged each student enrolled at the university under Section 54.503.
(j) The fee may not be charged after the fifth academic year in which the fee is first charged unless, before the end of that academic year, the university has issued bonds payable from the fee, in which event the fee may not be charged after the academic year in which all such bonds, including refunding bonds for those bonds, have been fully paid.
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This explains a lot. One of the writers was a student who filed a petition against the athletic fee. This is why journalism is losing credibility and is susceptible to being attacked as "fake news." This clearly isn't fair or accurate reporting. Link below
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What ridiculousness by the NT Daily. As we've discussed on here previously, the paper seems to get progressively worse.
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Replying to @ntdaily
I think you guys are confused. I attempted to bring clarity to the reporters but obviously failed. The debt you reference is for facilities (largely stadium). It has dedicated revenue streams that pay for debt service payments. It isn't related to the annual budget.
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This article is misleading & was written without visiting with the athletic department CFO (as suggested) who would have helped you understand so you could write something accurate & factual. We value student journalism & are always willing to help you get the story correct.
#GMG
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Stopped by the New Soccer/Track Facility
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Wow. Turned out great.