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Don't get too hung up on the shade of green thing. Case in point...go take a look at Longhorn gear at any UT game. You'll find at least 5 different shades of burnt orange. No kidding. Depending on the fabric and item...the shades will vary. No way around it. If there can be that many shades of burnt orange.......?
5 different shades of burn't orange?
Surely the UT people have the burn't orange ink number that they have even shared with their Texas Exes?
I guess shade of color is just another one of those subjects that gets us through the long, hot summer?
At NT, you are just not going to make all the people happy all the time, but I will re-iterate what meanjoe says in his every post and thats something that really does amount to a hill a beans more than any shade of any color ever will:
Join the Mean Green Club
Buy season tickets
........Now those are 2 areas we all really need to agree because we do want to keep the store open and being successful at the same time, now don't we?
NT Ticket Office: 1-800-UNT-2366
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Jim you must be getting rusty. That's the lousiest EXCUSE you've come up with to date.
Keep trying though, I like the effort.
Rick
I am taking it, Rick, that you are not on board with NT going back to what our school's official shade of green is really supposed to be?
Excuse?!?!?
I am sure all at Fouts this Fall won't be wearing kelly green, but I'll give it 2-3 years with our most diverse and opinionated group and by then I think most will. Some will just get a head start in doing so this Fall.
Even when Hayden Fry had the apple green debut in 1973, I would be lying if I said all were wearing that color in the stands that first season--although I think most were by the end of that season. It caught on quite well and quite fast along with Rick Spear's futuristic eagle some call the flying worm.
GMG!
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Too bad our new branding department dropped the ball on releasing the new logos to the right people in time for the 2005 season.
I think the "Friends of the Library" got first dibbs on getting the new logo designs from the branding committee, ADLER. Was walking on campus weeks before the official campus Branding Ceremony and the "Friends" already had the right shade of green AND the right logos as they whispered to each other (they're librarians--don't forget) and did some hardly noticeable high five-n' as well.
PS: ADLER, thanks for the new info on the shirts and it is very encouraging that most of us are going to try to walk into Fouts Field on September 17'th with as close to the correct color green as we can.
Wal Mart has a nice selection of kelly green type sportswear and I think Target does to (or they will). Since we changed back to kelly green, I've noticed that it really never completely lost its popularity on many stores clothes racks.
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I'm with you all the way on the facilities, PMG; but please elaborate on your "research" regarding the Big Wins over Big Boy U and their effect.
Even a strong showing does wonders (I think) for some, not a lot mind you, national respect. 4 straight NO Bowl appearances is a lot to be proud of, but two straight whoopings and people are still looking at us as "Sun Belt Kings". 3 straight 2-win seasons, but a recent 8 win and close showing against Colorado has UTEP soaring much faster than we are (believe me: I'm torn on this issue). The facilities have been there all along for UTEP; it's the wins/showings over those "big boy u's" such as last year's UTEP team that could REALLY help us. Perhaps there are a few major doners out there waiting to see Dickey get that win that would validate UNT's claim to high standards. After their late success, the media didn't seem to care about week 1's 41-9 loss to AzSt.
What do you have to say about Fresno St and Boise St's media attention? I think their 1 or 2 wins over the big boys each season does wonders for their image/exposure. Many years ago a man named Bowden took that attitude at Florida St and he seems to have himself something going.
Just playing a little devil's advocate,
-gm
Well, as much as I hate to say this, you can start with us--NORTH TEXAS.
I am trying to remember what our 1975 wins over Tennessee, Houston, SMU and others did for us as far as significant fund-raising was concerned and how many (much needed) football related facilties we built as a result of high profile wins? Hey! we are all "FOR" high profile wins, but I think we are moreso supportive of a football program that is consistently upgrading its recruiting and athletic facilities as to where high profile wins are not so much a big surprise to anyone anymore.
Well, we did get our athletic offices near Fouts Field because AD/Head football coach Hayden Fry knew Bob Moody of Galveston's Moody Foundation. (Amazing, we had an employee at NT who actually knew someone with the Big Bucks--what a concept). And yes, it was that Galveston family's foundation that financed much of SMU's Moody Coliseum, too; but FWIW, our athletic offices were already in the works well before that most defining 1975 football season in our school's history. In fact, weren't those offices already finished are almost finished before the Fall of 1975?
I am trying to see what several high profile football victories have done for Bulldogs of La Tech. For sure, Karl Malone gave em' a bunch of money for their weight room, but they are (apparently) having a difficult time gettting funds for much needed Field Turf or Omni-Grass. As I look at the latest photos of LTU's football stadium, I don't see luxury suites, end zone athletic centers, Daktronic scoreboard/instant replay boards, etc, etc, etc.; furthermore, I don't even read on their board of solid plans on the drawing boards for such.
Agree with the part on Bobby Bowden who (as you would probably know) even brought his Seminoles to our own Fouts Field, but one thing that Bowden got that NT still hasn't received is a whole army of FSU supporters who give the really Big Bucks, a community that supports its home town college football team and an administration who (back in that day) wanted much bigger things than we presently are saying we want. Florida State just had a bunch of constituencies who put their monies where their mouths were.
We have many talkers but we don't have enough doers, that is those who focus on giving to the things that keeps our athletic program afloat. Such as giving to the Mean Green Club as to free up other monies for new athletic venues at NORTH TEXAS.
SUMG has in the past received a little hell for his hot sports opinions (as many of us have) but for the 2'nd year in a row, he has given $2,500 to the Mean Green Club and has persuaded me to double my own donation this Fall. We just really need many new MG Club members giving what they can afford to give and not because anyone on this board says we need this, but because that is the very lifeblood of our men and women's varsity athletics of which we are all concerned of its well-being.
The UNT administration cannot continue to subsidize NT Athletics the way it has and especially fund it to the level we all aspire this program to be. So just who is it that is going to fill in all the blank check$ ?
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We've been thinking this for years. I'll believe it when I see it.
*Keeping my fingers crossed*
-gm
Outside of LSU, our OOC schedule seems a bit lighter than usual. I think we've played a Top 10 school to open our season most every year Dickey has been coach it seems.
Darrell Dickey's Mean Green teams have beaten Texas Tech (was it 2) out of 3 or 4 times they've played. So we are not completely without some higher profile OCC wins during his tenure in Denton. Oh, and we did beat the CUSA football champion in the NO's Bowl 3 years ago so I guess that sorta' counts, too, right?
We all want to beat a Big Boy now and then, but for mid-majors and after having done a bit of research on the subject, such victories don't seem to turn mid-major programs around as much as you would think. One might think such victories might translate into a substantial increase of alumnus fund-raising, dramatic improvements on athletic facilities or even new athletic venues, but for most mid-majors I don't see that that has happened after such a Big Win over Big Boy U.
What NT is doing at our 200 acre Mean Green Athletic Village is out of neccesity because TxDOT wants frontage property adjacent to Fouts Field (and they will get their land) PLUS we are just playing catch-up with facilities we should have already had in place quarter of a century ago IMO.
The best part of all this for NORTH TEXAS is the fact that our campus fathers made a most dramatic decision to move all football venues, operations, a new Athletic Center, a new luxurious dorm and a future new football stadium to one of the best locations any NCAA D1-A school could ever hope for, ie, on 200 acres of prime interstate real estate and on land located between 2 Texas interstates. What a visual that will be for the hundreds of thousands who will annually drive by our athletic village as they go to Dallas or Fort Worth where those 2 interstates divide in Denton right where the Mean Green Athletic Village just happens to be located. What a recruiting gem all this will be when all venues are completed.
For the LSU game this Fall, I really hope Coach Dickey will play about half his bench, get our key players several plays in a hostile environment and then get em' all ready for a more important game for us the next week at Middle Tennessee.
There was a time I wouldn't miss going to such a Big Name football game such as an LSU, but now we don't take 5K-10K Mean Green fans to such games anymore because they have sold out their stadiums with their own fans OR they stick you in the worse seats in the universe as to where our players hardly know we are even there.
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If any alum is going to try to match your 2005 Mean Green gear with the new color we are now going to be using, I am not sure we will always match the greens exactly, but best rule of thumb is to go for the green that is somewhere between our old apple green and the hunter (dark) green, and that will many times simply be kelly green.
Looked at Wal Mart' selection today and kelly green seems to be coming back strong. Wal Mart had several shirts with something close to our new green and the brand Athletic Works has some "below the knees" shorts that was what they called elf green (which was really closer to kelly green) and I bought them for future use.
Anyway, most of us liked the dark green we've been using a few years now, but I think we will all like the results of seeing our fans dressed out in the brighter green when the TV cameras scan our crowds during the course of football games that are on ESPN TV as well as the 2005 NT Football Highlights DVD.
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Glad to see Rudy Levarity make the Hall. Got to know him well after I graduated. Once beat Carl Lewis in his prime.
I also agree with the Walter Chapman snub!
The best track star that we have had, that no one talks about, was Alvin Crenshaw. (Dallas Roosevelt HS) We've heard all the stories about Milton Collins being our all time biggest football recruit. Well, Alvin Crenshaw was every bit the national high school track recruit that Milton was in football. Crenshaw actually transferred to NT.
The Dallas I.S.D. has produced many of the nations top track stars. (Michael Johnson, Michael Carter, Roy Martin, etc.) Alvin Crenshaw remains the top overall sprinter ever to come out of Dallas.
His specialty was the 440. Also kicked butt in the 880 and every 220 yard dash he ran. This guy consistently ran everybody down on the anchor leg of every relay event I have ever seen.
Clearly should be in UNT's Hall of Fame!!!
For certain that Alvin Crenshaw should be in the NTAHOF.
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Jack, you just gave a great discription of any gathering of North Texas students/Alumni. It's very similar to my "wrinkled $100 bill" analogy.
BTW, I'm glad you mentioned what position he (Shepard) played, because the article didn't give me a clue. Also, I don't find his name in any of the North Texas records during that era. If he was a punter in the CFL, he didn't appear in the North Texas record books in that catagory. The leading punters for NT from 51 to 55 were, Bill Brasher (51), Don Baker (52 thru 55). The rushing leaders from 51 thru 55 were Ray Renfro (51), Tommy Gray (52), Dean Renfro (53 & 54) and Tommy Runnels (55).
BTW, is John Baker our punter from 97 thru 99 any relation to Don Baker?
And is this "Don Baker" the same as Hollywood actor & North Texas graduate Joe Don Baker of Groesbeck, Texas?
I knew Joe Don "Buford Pusser" Baker was a College of Business graduate who got bit by the acting bug while in Denton, but I don't recall ever hearing that he played football at NORTH TEXAS. I would bet a little money he played for the Groesbeck High School Goats, though.
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Besides NT's Dylan Lineberry this pre-season, who else in Mean Green Country has had an Outland Trophy nomination?
This trophy came along years after Mean Green greats (and NFL first round draft choices) Mean Joe Greene and Cedric Hardman had left Mean Green Country or they certainly would have been on it, with 1 (maybe both) probably winning the award.
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If I can get a copy of it from Rick Spears aka Green Grenade II, one such favorite memorabellia for me would be a Summer of 1973 Denton Record/Chronicle photo of Coach Hayden Fry, Jim Fincher (aka Dallas Green), Rick Spears and myself at the Denton Center parking lot.
Rick was Fry's promotion guy and we were all standing in front of a mobile unit Rick had very cleverly put together to get the Mean Green message out to Denton County area towns that year. Rick, how can I get a copy of that photo? Wonder if the DRC would even have it in their archives?
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You know, in all of this chest-beating about Patrick and Jamario, we seem to be forgetting that we are about 3-deep at RB. That "score from anywhere on the field" description also applies to Kevin Moore (#30 on your program), who put us in some great field positions last fall with his timely (and long) kick-off returns. Give Kevin a crease and that guy will be gone.
We also seem to forget that when Jamario and Kevin were not able to play in the ArkSt game, we inserted our FB James Mitchell into the RB spot and he responded with 166 yards......in LESS than ideal playing conditions.
ANY Sunbelt school would be glad to have the services of either one of those guys.
Of course, I totally agree, Silver...
And James Mitchell had that superb performance on one of NT's several TV games last year. It was quite an exhibition from JMitchell in that game.
Kevin Moore has also turned into quite the kick-off return artist as well. Still pleases most of us how we recruited him right from under U of Houston's nose. UH had him projected as one who would have been one of their top signees (if not their #1 signee) the year Kevin was a HS senior AND then would later sign with us. We are most blessed in the RB Department at NORTH TEXAS.
Now that NT offensive lineman Dylan Lineberry has made the Outland Trophy nominee list is really spicing things up for NT this pre-season. We do have some talent on this team. Too bad the recruiting gurus haven't figured it out yet.
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How about the Toughest Stadiums in the Belt?
I can't comment, since I have only been to Fouts. I know....go ahead and call me a loser
Come on now, lets go with the GMG.com spelling as in "looser".
If we had more like you who just came to Fouts Field games our budget short-falls would be way much less. I used to travel more to away games back in the day, but my single income budget cannot afford giving to the Mean Green Club/buying 4 season tickets AND going to several away games per year.
I have often wondered which of the 2 aforementioned our athletic department officials would prefer our constituency chose to do and I can probably guess pretty close as to what I think they would say to that.
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It'll make my list when the Huskers return to their power of yesteryear! It is a tough place to play, though. NT lost there 76-14 when Dennis Parker was our coach. He apologized to Tom Osborne after the game for not being more competitive. NT did score 14 points, though, unlike last fall at Texas.
I think of all the former Big 8 powerhouse schools the formation of the Big 12 hurt the Big Red NU Cornhuskers the most.
If all will recal, NU's Tom Osborne really fought the idea of the the formation of the Big 12 and I think one can probably come up with many reasons as to why he might have. I think they really lost their exclusivity of decades past when they added 4 Texas schools 2 of whom (UT and TAMU) will always be hard for Nebraska to compete against in the next few decades.
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My guess is the end of the daylight saving time reasoning. But more than likely with the kickoff being moved up an hour the game will not be on TV since the Sun Belt starts games at 6 pm local time on the ESPN+ games.
Strangely enough, 5:00 PM seems very attractive to me as a kick-off time at Fouts Field, although I still wonder how many soccer kids/moms/dads will be wrapping up their day's events a bit too close to that 5 o'clock kick.
Also, could the 5:00 pm kick-off have possibly been a, uh, mis-print?
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Woohoo! What's up, my Louisiana brother? We gonna both whup some NT arse?!!
Oh how I love collegiate message boards where you can tell someone you are going to pulverize them to a limb-less state and then tell them in the next sentence............ "Oh, I was only kiddin'!"
I still think NT wins against LTU because of the time of the season our team we will be playing them (among other reasons), but heaven forbid if for some reason we didn't it would really make many of us question the direction of our Texas/Oklahoma HS-based recruiting, but I just don't think it will come to that.
We have 2 RB's that the very prestigious Maxwell Award's people have placed on their check list and that is not a list to be taken with a ho-hum attitude. NT is the first school to ever have 2 RB's on this list the same year as I understand it.
NORTH TEXAS also has 2 running backs who can score from anywhere on the football field at any time of the game with NCAA D1-A schools that are ranked Top 50--119 and maybe even a few inside the Top 50.
Any 2005 NT opponent who thinks we strictly play paddy-cakes should see how effective the 2004 Mean Green rushing attack (w/o Patrick Cobbs) was against Big 12 Colorado AND when the Buffalos rushing defense was ranked #5 in the nation before that kick-off in Boulder. That alone would tend to bother me about the Mean Green's potent rushing offense in 2005 if I were an opponent of North Texas. NT will have a QB who will be playing with all cylinders by the time we get to Ruston.
But again............I guess that's why they play the game?
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And NT basketball Coach Johnny Jones was exonerated from all alleged charges by the NCAA office. I think it important that that gets pointed out, too.
Good luck, LSU, with your 2005 season except-----------well, you know.
We are glad to have all your other ex-employees here at NT, too, except they could probably utilize more monies that people like us on this forum could help them get by joining the Mean Green Club. They are all very talented but (I have always felt since Day One) a bit short-handed and staffed in the athletic department for which they all serve.
When I want our Rome built over-night in Denton, I have to keep pinching myself to remind myself how far we've come and how little money these guys (and gals) have had to get that far.
Even in the area of athletic marketing which is a prime interest area of mine (since my own career is involved in that area somewhat) I just keep having to remind myself of this and is the very reason SUMG was able to talk me into doubling my own MG Club donation this athletic year. I encourage all who have never given to the MG Club to start no matter what amount because it will truly give you that warm, fuzzy feeling doing so.
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Hey greenminer.
I can offer a little insight on our team, but I'm not a complete expert, you'd have to surf our board probably for more info. The thing is, we lost Moats but have 3 replacements that are excellent. Freddie Franklin was the backup last year and is just about as fast but not as strong as Moats. Mark Dillard is faster in a straight line than Moats probably, but doesn't cut as well, but he's a big strong guy. Patrick Jackson, the freshman, is one of the best RB recruits in the nation, but how that translates into College ball, we'll have to see.
As far as passing... Kubik's an alright QB really, we had a TON of dropped passes last year. We have a new WR coach and probably THE FASTEST wide reciever in the entire NCAA in Jonathan Holland. Now.. will our guys catch better this year? Who knows. Freddie King is another good WR we have as more of a short route, go-to guy for quick yards.
OL is fine with a guy just tryin' to up his draft stock playin' on it. We've got a big running-back playin' TE right now since we just don't have any.
Defense.... Despite the bull they say on most prediction sites about our DL, the guys stepping into those positions are great and FRIGGING HUGE. Last year, our OL and DL guys were the largest in the country. We have a couple guys that could bust through the line sometimes, but mostly they keep everyone busy and clogged up while our fantastic LB corps do their work. Just ask Fresno State what they think of our linebackers, especially Byron Santiago or Barry Robertson. We got a couple good recruits at CB but I have no idea how the'll play. We have a FANTASTIC safety recruit, but I'm actually not sure our bonehead coach will play him and would rather our crappy one play... who knows.
Basically.. what you have is a very very underrated team in Ruston.
Offense: about average unless our WRs can catch the ball, 'cause the RBs will be great
Defense: insane upfront... secondary remains to be seen as it sucked last year...still 3-4 D with our new DC coming from Ok. State
Sp. Teams: average with an inconsistent but strong punter, average kicker that improved in the off-season, and decent return guys with straight-up speed but not a lot of juke'n and jive'n.
The key here is..... Coach Bicknell... Will he get the team up for games like the Florida game or the one in Fresno? Who knows? We don't hardly ever lose at home and they will be up like crazy for you guys when you show up, so given your road OOC record.. this is stacked against you, but I'm not gonna automatically put a "W" in the slot next to your name on the schedule card. We'll just see what happens. I'll be in Baton Rouge watching you guys at LSU in September, so if you can give those guys a run for their money, you might have a chance. Anyway, lookin' forward to it and hope to see lots of you Green folks in Ruston this year.
Now we didn't do too bad on the road in Lafayette on ESPN national TV last Fall, Ktulu7. We hope history repeats itself this October.
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the more important question is...
What will LA Tech's travel budget look like in the next couple of years
There are some from La Tech (including one of their unofficial message board's administrators) who a few short years ago went as far as to say that their school's leadership sold them out in making the decision to join the WAC knowing full-well they (ulitimately) could not afford that league.
La Tech needs to do whats best for La Tech, but a few decision-makers at their school have some pretty big decisions to make in the next 2-3 years after all the monies left on the WAC table from the schools who vaulted for CUSA runs out.
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My bad!!! I hard the number 40,000 somewhere! But 100,000 in the six county Metroplex make's it even more embarrassing. That's a 0.0032 percent market penetration.
That is embarrassing!!!!
I don't think NT has really ever put an intense blitz on this NT Texas license plate project except I think I recall something about it in the NORTH TEXAN alumnus magazine a few years ago. (BTW, I received that magazine at my Post Office near the UNT Health Science Center just this morning).
On our alumnus numbers, I don't think officials on our campus even know how many living alums we have since we didn't start keeping such records until (believe this or not) the early 1970's
For the last 10 years, though, if we count how many annual NT graduates we have and multiply that number by 10, it will give us a pretty big clue of just how many alums we have produced in that 10 year period of time.
We have a helluva' whole bunch of alums is what I think we could all agree.
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One question to Wright Waters (and I loosley paraphrase): Mr. Waters, why doesn't the SBC office and our 8 schools actively seek a 9'th school for full membership.
Waters response: "This will take care of itself in due time." Of course, if one reads between the lines of that statement there could possbily be a few interrpretations but I'd bet we might know where WW was coming from with that response
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I'm sure that all of these players are deserving. However when a 2 time All American golfer who has been
and still is one of the most influencial golfers in the golfing world can't get in, I have lost a great deal of
respect for the Hall. That would be Bill Eschenbrenner, now and for the past 40+ years at the El Paso
CC.
We have cronies such as Charlie Johnson, former coach and failure at UNT, in the Hall and other great
and more deserving people on the outside looking in. After 43 years of following NT I have not
respect or interest in this entity.
greenfrog, there are so many deserving (like Bill Eschenbrenner) who have fallen thru the cracks and I think its like SUMG said, ie, the selection committees are from eras that many times have no idea who were playing varsity sports at our alma mater in other eras.
Just curious, but do they take NTAHOF suggestions from our general UNT populace or is it just a closed-door meeting of committee members? And surely all NTAHOF committee members would be NT grads, right? Please tell me I'm correct on that one someone?
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That's the point!
We have more than 40,000 alum in the state and we only have 320 people who are willing to shell out an additional $30 for a NT plate.
No wonder we can't find NT merchandise anywhere!
0.008 percent saturation. Boy if I was a manufacturer, I'd be beating down the door to produce something with that type of market penetration.
I'm tired of complaining. I guess I just should face the fact that our administation, alumni and fan base are second tier, at best.
Oh well!!!
GreenBat, NT has close to 100,000 (give or take) NT Exes living in the 6 county Metroplex alone according to campus officials awhile back.
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ALSO....Honor system in place here, folks, so no borrowing of any of our poster's license plate ideas BUT........
..........What would you have the state put on your University of North Texas license plates that represents your NT spirit, ie, either your graduation year or just some very brief Mean Green spirit phrase? You are allowed a total of 6 letter/number combinations on a Texas license plate.
Also, don't forget by the purchase of these NT license plates, you are contributing for our alma mater as NT gets a portion of the money we each spend on these tags.
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ADDENDUM: Lets add "if" you like the new plates designs coming out soon, will you still consider buying the new NT license plates? AND....what would you put on your plates? Remember, just 6 combinations of letter/numbers can be used.
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Thanks for the Definitive Denton Restaurant Thread too! How about area lakes to visit while we are there for the weekends?
Denton is located between 2 very large Corp of Engineer lakes, ie, Lake Lewisville and Lake Ray Roberts. The latter is great for fishing as I understand it.
Lake Lewisiville is good for recreation and is said to be the busiest lake in the Lone Star State. Be careful if you are boating on Lake Lewisville.
Both lakes have nice picnic grounds. You can get maps of both lakes at many large interstate truck stops
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