[It Starts And Ends With The Head Coach!]

We couldn't match what Harbaugh was asking.

And for those that want to know, my source is reliable.

I, too, heard that Harbaugh was looking at a salary that was in the between $375K and $400K per year. This could even be low. We couldn't come close to that because we were still paying for Dickey's last 2 years on his cotract, so we went and got the coach that we could afford and create a buzz.

Everyone can hate the "we are poor little ol' UNT", but until the administration and the BOR say that we will buy out Dodge's remaining contract AND offer a salary that is around what Harbaugh wanted coming from a Division III school, Dodge will be here for 2010. We might only have 10K in attendance next year, but the cost to the university will outweigh the possibilities of increased support with a new coach.

Look, it is really simple. Unless, the university decides to fund this thing at a differnet level than they have historically, Dodge will be here. But the good news is that it will be his reckoning as a head coach. Next year, either Dodge wins 7+ games and we go to a bowl game (assuming that there are no quirky leave-outs due to us being in a piss-poor conference) or he is gone. We go into a new stadium with a lot of talent that is somehwat seasoned and a new coach that can recruit kids here to a great stadium and facilities. We made a bad decision on signing Dodge to a five year deal and we have to deal with it--AND learn from it, too. Most deals are actually a year short of the tenure on the contract for recruiting purposes, so a 4-year deal really says that you have 3 years to get this going. No coach ever goes into his last year of a contract without an extension planned because it kills recruiting. Three years really should be enough to see a coach turn it around in today's world. We have seen Rice turn around in one year, SMU turn around in 2 years, etc. It can be done here, too.

[Unt Vs Tcu And Cincinatti]

I was just lurking over on killerfrogs.com and reading up on all the hysteria about the game tomorrow in my old hometown. It really amazes me just how far TCU has come since the old SWC days. It really does seem miraculous. They were 1-10 in Pat Sullivan's last year, with their only win being in the last game against SMU, causing the Ponies to miss a bowl game (hehe!!) But here is where the really crazy part sets in for me. In SI's college football season preview for 2005, we were ranked 1 spot behind TCU to start the year, somewhere in the 50s or 60s, IIRC. That year, TCU went 11-1 and finished #11, we went 2-9. Of course, we also beat Cincy in the NO Bowl in 2002 and they are now on the cusp of their 2nd BCS game in a row. I know that there are several lines of thought on what happend to us since 2004, but really, WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO US TO CAUSE THIS? In mny ways, I think the 4 SBC championships falsely made us feel like we were further along than we were. It is just so frustrating. I mean, really, freaking TCU is a Texas loss (albeit not likely) from probably playing for a MNC if they take care of business. It just all blows my mind that we were once considered BASICALLY EQUAL to them in the national press just 5 seasons ago.

[Rick Villareal Should Not Be Allowed To Hire Our Next Hc]

Let me see here--this thread was started by UNT-Playmaker and has great insight from shaft. This thread = greatness for sure. Only thing that surprises me is that it wasn't started at 3am...

[Game Tonight]

Am I the only one on here that finds it absolutely embarrassing that we lost to TWU in an athletic event? Seriously?

[Vic Trilli Vs. Todd Dodge]

I'll copy myself from my Football Trilli post on the "Must Win Games" thread (cocky?):

We hire a coach who finally has energy and positivity. He loves to talk up NT to anyone who will listen, and sure makes us all feel good at first. You can't find a nicer guy.

He knows TEXAS prep talent, and has inroads with TX high school coaches we've never had before. Suddenly he's recruiting players the likes of which we don't usually get a sniff of at NT. Recruiting classes are ranked higher than they've been in decades, and excitement builds.

His work and hiring is the primary reason for significant facility improvements we can all agree are long overdue and a large positive. He's very proud of these improvements, telling anyone who will listen how we're on the right track and to invest in the program.

He brings an exciting new offense, up tempo and high scoring, designed to utilize the ample talents of his prize recruits. The fan base is energized by this, relieved to be freed of the moderately successful but dull, rigid system of the previous coach.

He almost immediately begins playing more freshmen, these highly touted recruits there to implement his new system.

Problem is, he can't coach. Not a lick.

His first few years are arguably the worst in school history and possibly the worst in the country over that stretch.

The most prominent of his big time recruits, and effectively his team leader, seems to be disheartened by losses and style, and transfers after only two years to an in state Big XII power with no promise of playing time.

Others transfer as well, and many of his top recruits have problems with discipline or grades. Nothing serious, but issues here and there that illustrate a lack of discipline.

His offense scores points, and we're up in most scoring statistics from the previous coach. Problem is, it's sloppy, inefficient, turns the ball over, and fundamentally unsound.

Also, the team plays NO defense. None. It's routinely ranked at the bottom of the conference in every defensive statistic.

There are signs of progress, a late season big win here and there, but it never amounts to anything.

After four years, he's won less than 19% of his games, a staggering number. He never sniffs a sliver of the success the previous "uninspiring" coach did, nor the success of any coach before that.

This is like the Lincoln/Kennedy thing, folks. Zombie Vic Trilli is coaching our football team.

This is so money, I can't even believe how close this comparison is on EVERY level. Trilli was such a great guy, but his coaching acumen was somewhere near your spare Denton YMCA basketball coach. Heck, the old Ryan coach one time mentioned that Trilli couldn't win in THEIR DISTRICT, much less at UNT. Sure it was probably an exaggeration, but it hit home with me when he said it. I just remember when Maryland beat us by 75 points in one game his first year at UNT and I thought to myself, Division II teams don't lose that badly to Kansas or UNC or Kentucky. But, I still bought into him completely and just thought success would show up soon. Then when Big West/ SBC teams would beat us by 30 at the Super Pit in front of 9500 empty green seats, I knew that I ws just a little wrong about Trilli, which is sadly how I now feel about Dodge. I am not sure, but I think Trilli got 4 years here, which is what I believe Dodge will get, too. The Zombie has returned!!

[Rv Football Record]

Hedlund was here way before RV. And Cassie Headrick (volleyball) was a Helwig hire.

I think RV and Gretchen are both miracle workers for getting this stadium deal rolling. (especially in this current economy).

I completely agree with this last sentence. Seriously, we couldn't build a new stadium, even though we needed one for decades. Then, during the worst economic year the country has seen in 70+ years, the stadium deal gets passed. Whether RV and GB were vocal or not vocal about it all last year, the fact remains they wanted it badly to pass. RV may have some black marks on his record, but he has to be the best AD this university has ever seen. I still think that another school will come along and hire him away after all of the facility and financial improvements he has led during his tenure.

[Champagne Taste Vs. Beer Pocketbook]

I think its a pride thing. Do you really think a former DI head coach would stay on at a program reporting to the urinal scrubber?

He would be placed into "development", not urinal scrubbing

[Unt Football--what Lies Ahead]

Why can't we afford to fire him? It would be about the same payout that we gave Dickey. $500,000-$600,000 (and that's if we had to pay the full amount).

And if you tell me that we're spending all available money on the stadium...I ask "How much money do you think is coming in to the stadium fund right now? Buy a game program some time. There are maybe 70 names in there of folks who have donated to the stadium.

Do you really lots of people are chomping at the bit to write big checks for this football program right now? Guess again. I was in the AD's box for the last game. Everyone in there (other than Don January).....were fans/friends that I have seen at games for years. And all those folks I saw....have already given to the stadium fund. Sorry, but if there were any big potential donors at the last game....they weren't in the AD's box. Maybe they were with Gretchen.

Hell, it's hard for us long time fans to go to these games NOW. Do you really John Q. BigBucks is just waiting by the phone, for an invite to see the pile of crap that Todd Dodge is producing on a weekly basis?

So if our #1 thing right now is to raise money for the new stadium .......I ask not "can we afford to fire him?" I ask, "can we afford to keep him?"

SUMG,

I agree to a point, with the question of whether being able to afford to keep Dodge. I will say this up front, just as so many of you have--I think that Todd Dodge is a great guy and a fabulous high school coach. It just hasn't worked up here. Trust me, I would love for our university to basically cut ties today because we can afford to pay him off and go and get a "name" coach that can compete with Patterson and Jones here in the Metroplex for recruiting. I know that the program lists lots of donors, but I guess my question goes back to the buyout. Because of the amount of Dickey's buyout, the amount we could afford to pay a new coach was still minimal, actually below what Dickey made in his last few years. My fear is that we would limit ourselves to only go out and get a "cheap" coach again. Of course, many times, the cheap option turns into gold--maybe a i-aa coach with success makes it happen here or a an OC from a mid-major that is bright and makes a great run in his first head coaching job, but we have seen us do similar things in hiring since 1991 and it really hasn't worked. I guess my main point is that if it means putting up with one last year of Todd Dodge to prove he can do this or else we can go get a Kragthorpe-type, for example, then I will accept it. But what is UNACCEPTABLE to me is either hiring a cheap coach again because we fired him too soon or keeping Dodge here for the fifth year with anything less than a 7 win, bowl-attending season next year. Just my opinion, though.

[Champagne Taste Vs. Beer Pocketbook]

I am pretty sure portions of TD's contract has been posted on here, specifically the part about being re-assigned. RV can make him the new Diet Coke/laundry boy and TD can stay or chose to leave. If he chooses to leave (which I'm sure he would) we would owe him nada.

Let me ask you a question. If at your current job, you made $250K or more and your boss came in and said either you stay here and do nothing and get $250K for the next two years or you can leave your job and go and get a job at your previous level, which pays about $125K, what would you do, knowing full well that the $125K job (at most) will be plentiful whenever you want to go look?

He ain't leaving with us paying nothing. There will be a buyout of some level--its just a matter of how much and for how many years. Next year will be his last year on this current contract, no matter what. He will either get an extension if we are winning or he will be bought out for his last year of salary, which would allow us to pay a new coach more than what we could afford to pay Dodge while Dickey was still collecting a check from us.

[Unt Football--what Lies Ahead]

I apologize for the length of this, but I think we all have really gotten down--rightfully so--about where our program currently resides in the FBS division, but I feel like there are some positives that are ahead that I want to discuss. This is a list of things that I think will impact UNT football positively for the future ahead.

1. The new stadium will open up new funds and recruiting for this program at the perfect time. I truly beleive that our university decided that it wanted to be in the football business because if the vote didn't pass, I am 100% convinced we were either going back to 1-aa or giving up the program eventually if we were stuck at Fouts.

2. Dodge's situation-- The university made a mistake giving him a 5-year deal (should have been no more than 4) But, since we have this, next year will be his year to either stay here for a while or get fired. There is no way we can afford to fire him now, but there is no way he will be coaching in 2011 with only one year on his contract. RV knows recruiting will suffer mightily if he goes into a final year of a contract with no extension. So a FINAL bit of more patience will give us this certainty--Dodge is either our coach going into a new stadium with an extension or we will have a new one. The buyout is too steep now, but it won't be next year. The AD has been on record about next year needing 4-5 wins, but I now believe that the number of wins is a bare minimum of 7 with a bowl appearance, unless all slots are full. Otherwise, a coaching change will be done. I'm not completely ruling out this year, but I highly doubt it will happen in 2009 or early 2010.

3.Potential Replacement List--there are going to be a lot of folks out there that will entertain this opportunity more now that at any point in the last 30 years. We will have the the final piece of the facility-puzzle in play. The academics, the location, and the increased fan support are the biggest reasons to believe that a guy with a lot of name value will come knocking. Just a few of the names that I believe will be talked about will be Franchione, Kragthorpe, Bower, Dan McCarney, Chan Gailey, not to mention a few other well-known coordinators from big-time schools. Seriously, this should be a job search that will bring up names we never would have dreamed of in the past.

4. SMU---TCUs success over the last 10 years is miraculous--very similar to where K-State went in the 90s from their horrid decades before. The thing with TCUs success though was that it was in Ft. Worth. We all know that the major media outlets in this town revolve around Dallas. Denton is much more aligned with Dallas than FW, and the history between UNT and SMU is so much stronger, that the SMU program's losing ways didn't really affect us that much at all. The two conferences are pretty equal, with a few differences here and there, and the recruiting was about the same, too. Yeah, they could pay more for a coach, but the success never manifested itself for SMU, especially when Phil Bennett made twice as much as Dickey and had a worse record, so we all kind of laughed. But then SMU got real serious with the cash and bought June Jones for $2 Million. And in the first year, they were terrible. But the money paid is starting to pay off big time and SMU is about to go bowling--for the first time in 25 years. Meanwhile, we are floundering at 2-7 and our record has been around this for the last 5 years. Because our "rival" down the road--if that what we truly think of them--is seeing the light, our fanbase is going to have to see both Metroplex teams enjoy amounts of coverage that will dwarf anything we have ever seen. Which, of course, means we will either become an after-thought in the Metroplex or we are going to make a "splash" to stay competitve with the folks we recruit against. The snobs in University Park will still be able to spend more, but the HS recruit doesn't always fit in with that crowd, nor do they always qualify academically, which is precisely why I do believe that the large public school up the road will still do quite well in recruiting. And why I think a reputable coach will look to come here for around $400k-500K. He knows that what could be around the corner here will lead to $$$ for himself, whether from UNT or another school. To me, I want SMU to lose every week, but I think that their bar has been raised and if we are truly "peers" with them in football, which is what we are in regards to recruiting, this is going to have to force us to raise the bar, too. Its one thing for Troy to become a strong program, its completely different when its SMU.

5.)New Leadership--replacing the Old Nestors-- In the past, UNT's BOR and administration took the path of least resistance and were fine with it. They felt that a true liberal arts college that had a strong history in education was perfect for the sleepy town that didn't want to grow or attract crowds. No need to put money into something as "obscene" as football. But things change--growth occurs whether you want it or not. Now, with the leadership we have seen from Pohl and Bataille, over the last 10 years, they want this thing to work and they aren't gonna take chances on unknowns again, not with almost $80Million being spent to build a new stadium. That is the thing of legacy-type reputations--for good or bad. A beautiful new stadium with large crowds, winning football, and quality opponents will get a name or two on facilities, not to mention even more job opportunites. But a large new stadium that cost that much and isn't anywhere close to full because we cannot afford to have a competitive program is stuff that will follow an administrator anywhere else he or she may go, especially during these economic times we are in today, Imagine for a moment, tha you are in Gretchen Bataille's shoes. She just watched the student body decide that the school deserves a new stadium, to watch a team she obviously enjoys watching and knows full well from her prior stops that athletics is that window for all to see us from afar. She knows that the university's student body is only going to get bigger. Do you think if you were in her shoes that it make sense to move forward with all of this and watch it fail? After your student body just agreed to raise the fees for this for years to come while our world economy was at its worst in 70 years? She has too much vested in this project to watch the whole thing turn into the worst investment the university has ever made, which it would be if we don't upgrade the product. Drawing 11K to see the two worst teams in America play each other at Fouts is bad, but it somehow seems appropriate since it is a toilet. But drawing 11K to watch two teams that suck in a brand new stadium that cost so much and had so much controversy surrounding it would be the ultimate reputation crusher. She may have been fairly silent during the vote, but her preference on needing a new stadium has been known for years--and now she has it. Under her tenure as President at UNT, she will be forever known as the one in place when we got approval for a new stadium that will cost the student body alot of money. It is in her best interest to make the investment return plenty back to the university--and she knows it too.

So there it is--my longest post ever, but I felt it was needed atthis time. I don't blame anyone who got tired head after the first paragraph, but I think it all needs to be noted and reminded. The history of this place is terrible when it comes to decision-making and funding, without a doubt. And if I thought for a moment that we weren't going to do anything about it--stay in Fouts, keep Dodge with no strings attached, etc.--I would probably walk away, although it wiould hurt to do it. But I asked myself a few weeks ago, what is the university gonna do about this program and it made me realize that they are already doing it. From tailgating, to the new athletic facilites, to the new stadium on the way, and to the "unacceptance' of where we are as a program, it made me feel better about the future than I EVER HAVE BEFORE. Trust me, I know that my faith could get stomped in the mud here, but I don't believe it will this time. As a matter of fact, just like we did when Trilli got hired, then fired, and we replaced him with Johnny Jones, I think we will see a better coach and a winning program come sooner than we ever believed it could, at least from where we sit today. So there it is--Down the Corridor of Years, We'll Forget the Joys and Tears, For North Texas We Love!!

[A Question]

At this point, in my opinion you need to drop Dodge at the end of this season from the Attendance perspective for next year. I have never seen such disgust from our fan base. We have gone from having crowds of 23,000 to roughly 10,000 in a span of maybe 3 games. And don't tell me it is because of the game time. Rubbish. This fanbase has not only given up on the Todd Dodge era, they are disgusted by it. There *IS* a difference.

RV. Buddy. Pal. Time to pull the plug on the Todd Dodge era.

Where is the money gonna come from? Sure you can try the "reclassification" route, but there is still a cost if TDodge accepted the deal--whatever that would be. Here is the best hope we have--and I believe it is slim to none--that Dodge decides that HS Football is his thing and he leaves this all behind. Again, that probably isn't gonna happen, as in these economic times, a head coach at a big Texas HS will pay less than half than what his salary commands at UNT. If someone gave that kind of money up knowingly during these times, I wouldn't question their heart--I would question their mind.

[Western Kentucky Fires Head Coach]

There's no way Western Kentucky can have more money than us in a coaching search. No way. So, it'll be interesting to see who they pursue. I've seen things as crazy as Romeo Crennel being mentioned.

Yes, I know he's a WKU grad...but, come on...could they really land an ex-NFL head coach and defensive coordinator? The guy was a special teams, then defensive line coach with the Giants during their two Super Bowl seasons with Parcells. He picked up two more as the defensive coordinator at New England earlier this decade. In 2007, he even guided the awful Cleveland Browns to a winning season - one of only two since their return to the NFL in 1999.

If the Hilltoppers get Crennel, that would be huge for them...and, not so great for us.

I bet you that their basketball success gives their AD some more $$$ from alumni giving and attendance, not to mention NCAA $$, that makes our financial support look pathetic. Our alumni might be larger, but I will bet that the $$ given back to WKU from their alumni is at a much higher level than ours. Could be that Crennel could very well look at WKU and say that I can go home and win in that league sooner rather than later.

The bigger question is who do we get and when? The AD is on record as saying that Dodge is safe this year if we are "competitive", so I am assuming that since we doubled our win output from last year, and the fact that he still has 2.5 years to go on his full contract, the when is next year at the earliest. The who is going to be the intriguing part--as I said earlier, this is gonna be an attractive job to someone if we pay a good salary.

[Brett Vito: Mean Green Starting To Fall Off The Map]

In other news, it appears that we will all still need oxygen to breathe. Seriously, How hard is it to really write an article like this? Yes, it is extremely accurate, but this same article could have been written at just about anytime over the last 30 years. Even in the SBC championship days, we got a little more attention from the local media, but it was ALWAYS behind TCU and SMU, even when we had better records than SMU. The Metroplex fanbase doesn't even support TCU as well as they should and they play in a really good conference and have reached #4 in the BCS. The real deal here is that if you are not in the Big XII, the fans really don't care here in the DFW area. If you are not from the old SWC, the media really doesn't care, either.

Here is the hope and this is what I would write an article about. UNT is building a new stadium that will be ready in 2011. The facility will match up perfectly with the other great facilities in the Athletic Center. The funding for the program will get a needed infusion from student fees and probably from corporate sponsorships and suite purchases/rentals. This will be an attractive job for someone.

[Which Kickoff Time Do You Prefer]

That just shows that it's not necessarily the W-L record either. It's the interest in the games. Nobody cares about playing UL-Monroe or Florida International. But I'm going to guarantee attendance of over 23k in two weeks against Army.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could join the Big 12 and get big name schools in our house?

I also think World Peace would be awesome, too...

[Someone We Should Recruit]

Yes. I'm worthless-- I thought everyone knew that.

Fixed

[Latest Espn Bottom Ten]

(In Ted Knight as Judge Smeltz from "Caddy Shack" voice) "Well...............We're waiting."

You'll keep waiting, trust me. This spare ain't gonna answer you directly on anything--unless it is how many mattresses are being sold today or how great things are in Albuquerque these days. He acts like everyone on this board is a Dodge apologist--never mind that for every Dodge apologist, there is a Dodge antagonist to match.

[Wac Hires Pr Firm For Boise State]

So if one of the BCS teams left on the schedule somehow manages to keep it close against TOP-RANKED AND UNDEFEATED CONFERENCE LEADER, who do you think is getting the calls from the BCS refs at the end of the game?

Even More Fixed

[New Orleans Bowl Extends Sun Belt - Cusa Thru 2013]

i would rather play #9 big12 or sec than #1 cusa.

The SEC is on record as saying that they don't want to play non-BCS schools in bowl games anymore, which is why the Liberty Bowl is not happy. I don't know how the Big XII feels, but I suspect it isn't far from the SEC's stance. There is just too much credibility that the non-BCS has to gain when they beat a BCS team.

[Unt To Host Lsu, Tech, Rice]

I mean, sportswriters don't always cover the areas they're from? I doubt every sportswriter for the DMN, or FWST is from the metroplex, or went to school at SMU or TCU.

Shhh..don't let this little nugget of truth get out. The media giant that is the DRC hates UNT, as does the Ciy of Denton, all of Denton County, the Metroplex media (all because of SMU), and the entire state of Texas, especially UT and A&M, which view us as the real threat to their status!!If we could just convince Bill Patterson to hire UNT grads only for sports journalism, in the same manner that our fine alma mater has only hired UNT grads for ALL athletic department positions, we wouldn't be in the position we are in today.--SARCASM ALERT!!!

Look, Bill Patterson went to OSU. His parents went to UT. They run a business that caters to the local readers, of whom, 90% feel the same way about UNT athletics--pure apathy. They publish what the readers of Denton want to read.

[Another Reason To Hate Bcs Conferences]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news...p&type=lgns

The Big 12's douche bag commissioner wants their 6-6 teams to be considered winning teams in consideration for bowl games. Currently, if you have a 6-6 record, you can't be placed into a bowl game unless all other teams with real winning records have been invited to a bowl game. Big 12 commish wants an exception for his conference.

The rich get richer, and continue to whine about it. Sickening. We couldn't even get out foot in the door for the failing Independence Bowl as a second bid for our conference and these other douches want more and more for marginal seasons.

Screw the BCS. I hope the nuthuggers out in Utah can get a good enough antitrust attorney to bang the BCS and bowl system. I have my doubts, but one can hope.

The really sucky part about this is that the bowl games want the 6-6 team from the BCS conference over the 8-4 or better SBC team--see Troy in 2007. Its just the way it is, but the BCS ain't going anywhere. Anyone want to take a look at the teams that are undefeated and see any way both TCU and Boise State get BCS bowl bids? There is just no way--hell, Boise beat Oregon for the second year in a row and will watch the Ducks zoom past them in the BCS rankings. WHEN this happens, it will represent the second year in a row that Boise will go undefeated, be ranked high--as in top ten, and not get to go to a BCS game. And the worst part of it all? Baylor gets more bowl money revenue than Boise, even though the Broncos go undefeated and the Bears will not win a conference game this year. That is the most repulsive part of it all to me.

[Louisiana-monroe]

call mandy mckinley at athletic department and ask her to send you ward white's tickets and parking paaa. i gave them to her saturday, so she probably still has them. any problems, e/mail me at wardly@tx.rr.com and i will call her. enjoy, ward

Am I the only one that is thinking that this whole scenario will not end well for the winner of these prized tickets and parking pass?

[I'm Conflicted]

The win kept RV from firing Dodge on the spot.

Tied after 3 quarters with the #120 team.

Seriously, you might be the worst poster on this board--which is saying something. If you think that RV would do this, you have been seriously misled. AGAIN, the AD has said that this year is ALL about being competitive, not wins and losses. NO chance Dodge will be fired this year, nor next year, if he wins 4-5 games. That is the from the mouths of the folks in the SIDs office, not mine. Shaft, you are delusional if you believe otherwise.

[I'm Conflicted]

This was a meaningless win. We beat the #120 team in D1 and it took us 4 quarters to do it.

The worst team in the country hung 49 points on us in 3 quarters.

[/quote}

Yet, you are posting about it on the gmg forum--sure must have been meaningless, especially to the team and the fans that attended. Go follow UT or OU or some other school, like New Mexico. Your posts are the equivalent of used papers at the bottom of a birdcage.

[New Coaching Fund]

I don't believe that it is the stated goal of the program to have 4-5 next season.

And you don't need a secret inside source to know that the AD expects the team to be competitive this season, meaning no more record blow outs.

Trust me, you can go talk to same people in the SID's office and I would assume that the same story will be told to you, too. If that wasn't the stated goal for next year, why would you say it to a MEDIA MEMBER? Most idiots can usually understand this, but I guess this one is going right over your head. Maybe when you go to the AD to get that new coaching fund started, they will give you these facts. We all get that you loved Dickey--I figured he must have had at least one fan that didn't mind hearing him call fans MFers and go on an on about UNT being the worst job in America, so congratulations on being "that guy". The deal isn't that Dodge is better than Dickey, which seems to be your argument. It is the fact that NOBODY has had success here because we can't afford to pay coaches serious money and the apathy that runs rampant here keeps expectations low. You seem to think money grows on trees. Either you really are Mattress Mac, which would make sense based on your posts, or you have never taken one finance course in your life. People think that we can't afford to lose fans around here--I think that's wrong. The more I read your posts, the more I think that you are a troll or that you should walk away before the insanity causes you to do something criminal.

[Dodge Deserves One More Year]

So if guy that went 11-16-1 was in "WAY" over his head as you state what does that mean for Dodge who is 4-27 and most certainly going to get worse?

In no way am I saying that Dodge's record means he isn't over his head, too. Dodge was the OC for two of those Parker years so that may give you the answer to your question.