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DD looks great!
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So took my kid to see Transformers yesterday.
he has a pretty big part in the movie and his character was great. I think he’ll get more opportunities. He was really entertaining.
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They’ll settle and pay him off….
that’s one thing Wren DOESNT have to worry about. Having enough $$ to make things like this go away.
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18 hours ago, greenminer said:
P5 conference affiliation is an entirely different, powerful influence that dwarfs almost anything else we can offer recruits.
Although it hasn't been said out loud, I think this discussion is mostly about winning recruits amongst our AAC/G5 peers.That's the way I took this topic...
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22 hours ago, bstnsportsfan3 said:
Winning is the most important recruiting tool
It trumps everything.
facilities can maybe help some if you’re not winning, but winning with bad facilities will always do more than losing with good facilities.
I’m not talking about “winning” as in 7-5. I’m talking about 10 win seasons. Top 25 rankings.
when UTSA has a couple of down years, their recruiting will drop. They’re winning at a 10+ wins a season clip, top 25 rankings. and they’ve done it for several years. No facility can compete with that level of winning.
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How can a school as prestigious as SMU with the athletic history and money and support….who the Big 12 would be lucky to have….
How can their future be dictated by what SDSU does? So strange.
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Whatever came in a plastic bottle
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1 hour ago, jtm0097 said:
His cousin Sta would have never entered the portal. He doesn't like change and wants to keep things stable.
Weird. His other cousin Adapta was the exact opposite.
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4 hours ago, chomp said:
In the same way that I couldn't argue with the idea that players should be able to earn whatever they can through NIL, I find it just as hard to argue that players are not employees who should be able to market their services for what the market will pay.
Having said that, if players are employees open to the highest bidder with little actual connection to the universities that they play for, what exactly is the point of college athletics? If I'm going to pay to watch a paid employee throw a football or shoot a basketball, why should I choose a college game over a professional game? In the past, I spent my money on college sports because there was at least the illusion that the players from my school attended the same school that I did or were students in the classes that I taught. There was a shared university experience that connected players and alumni across decades. Once that is gone, aren't I just left with paying money to watch someone who just agreed to get paid to wear a particular college jersey?
Isn’t that pretty much where we are or quickly headed?
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1 hour ago, Mike Jackson said:
🙄 No but Harbaugh doesn’t drive Michigan football attendance or gets them a bigger base cut of the money from the Big 10 media deal just like none of those professors singularly drive Michigan student enrollment. And isn’t just Harbaugh the average salary for an FBS head coach is well over 1.5 million dollars a year and most guaranteed contract are 5 years or more. Michigan Football generates a ton of revenue regardless of if there is a 50 year old coach with NFL experience at the helm or a first time head coach in his 30s. That demand argument in theoretical vacuum has always be intellectually lazy. The fact is if you are going put an artificial limit on player benefits/income it hypocritical to defend huge coach contract without limits citing "demand".
I don’t understand why you’re arguing with me. I don’t think there should be any limit to what players can make. They should have the same opportunity as coaches to make as much money as they can (and they do now. But if they were seen as employees they would have a better chance maybe?) as for professors. Who’s the best professor in the country? Dr SoAndSo? If Dr SoAndSo goes out and says “for $10 million per year, I’ll come work at your university” and schools battle it out to get him for $10 million per year. I’m all about it.
why is this so hard?
Are you ok with the NCAA getting rid of the rule that an athletic scholarship has to be honored if the player gets cut for performance? Or a new coach comes in?
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7 minutes ago, Mike Jackson said:
So Jim Harbaugh is going to get paid as much per year as 70 University of Michigan professors, or 250 clerical employees, or a nearly infinite number of adjuncts. This seems . . . disturbing. ( https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2014/12/brief-history-college-football-coaching-salaries-context-new-gilded-age
— I didn’t need lawyer blog to form that opinion this was just the first example of why a scholarship isn’t sufficient compensation. They put all these regulations and limits on the income/benefits student athletes can receive but none on coaches. And Coaches who don’t keep their job long if they are not able to recruit some of the best players. (But they keep 100% of contracted future salary if they get fired)Are any of those professors as much in demand as Jim Harbaugh?
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On 5/21/2023 at 11:01 AM, Mike Jackson said:
I just find it very interesting that very few see the irony of refining in coaches salaries and AD staff salaries more in line with professors. The coaches that built their colleges sport teams into to the revenue producing sports brand juggernauts of today, made middle or upper middle class salaries. I assume AD and staff salaries were closer to the median salary in the USA at the time. The sport wouldn’t be in this obvious conundrum if salaries grew at rate in line with or modestly above inflation. One head coach contract at a modest G5 program shouldn’t set you financially for life. And we are getting to the point that coordinators at P5 are set for life. I wish the other end of the spectrum would be addressed to make the “student athlete” model work and equitable. It would be a novel idea that these programs be “true” 501 3c. With the "profit" actually going back to the school and slowing down the rise in cost of education for your average student. Student athletes (especially before transfers without penalty, and NIL) were something between indentured servants or young craftsmen apprentice of the early industrial age. In a world were Coach Littrell is making around 150k per year and Coach Saban 750k-1 million as the top earner I would be all in the "get off my lawn" mindset. But the system is broken and conference realignment putting east coast and west coast teams in the same conference should give you a clue. It isn't "greedy spoiled players" that broke college football it's their bosses! Now the lawsuit is just to get those bosses to live up to the responsibility of having employees. So before you wag your finger at players for "wanting it both way" you need to have that same energy for all the pigs that have been getting fat at the trough for 30 years. In fact we would probably be in a much better place if dissolution of the CFA came with a mandate to recognize revenue sports players as employees. If I were a judge on the bench during that case that would have been my first question. Do you see the irony? You are suing for the right to get top dollar for the value of your product independently of the CFA but the bulk of the labor that produces the product isn't directly compensated with a salary based on the value of their labor.
Not sure I followed that....
But if a coach doesn't perform....they get fired. If a university doesn't want to pay $10 million a year, they don't have to, they just won't get or keep a Nick Saban or Kirby Smart. If the number one recruit in the country is worth $10 million a year...he'll get $10 million a year. He doesn't have to play for "free."
How is that a "get off my lawn" mindset? Plus I'm not wagging my fingers....I just think it's naive to think these players aren't employees. Of course they are. Let's just stop with the "student" charade. I say just make them officially employees, get rid of athletic scholarships. Let the kids negotiate that. Not all of them want to go to class anyway and a degree isn't why they're there.
Let's just get it over with already.
I'm not even sure you and I disagree here.
What exactly are you advocating for? Coaches make too much money? Based on what?
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"The NCAA believes making athletes into employees could lead to a system where athletes could be fired for poor performance..."
That's exactly what it will do. And it should.
Cut out athletic scholarships (unless you need it to negotiate), pay them like employees, treat them like employees.
"Sorry 2nd string OLineman....you missed too many blocks last week....gotta let you go." Then you get the transfer portal kid in to take his place.
Just get it over with.
The problem is these kids, a lot of these kids will be shocked when the 3% that are NFL bound get all the money and the breaks, and the 40th man on the roster gets cast aside when someone better comes along.
They're gonna want it both ways....can't have it both ways.
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10 hours ago, UNTLifer said:
Not sure if I've ever seen something make our school look so bad. That would make me RUN from The University of North Texas because we look like an absolute joke.
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On 5/15/2023 at 2:38 PM, cousin oliver said:
I just don't like they way they conduct themselves as a University. They just don't seem to be a good match for our values.
What are our values?
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When I learned that DBU Baseball is in CUSA and UTSA is top 25.
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Maybe Wren is trying to go his entire career without ever firing anyone.
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15 hours ago, Mike Jackson said:
Watching those employees do their job isn’t a significant reason why you buy a cup of coffee. Horrible comparison. And I notice how limiting coaches salaries to more in line with professors and academic administrators wasn’t mentioned. 🤷🏽♂️
Why is it a horrible comparison?
The argument seems to be “these kids need to be paid because college football is a billion dollar industry it’s not fair”
Agree
So treat them as employees. Stop with the “student athlete” charade. Just like the kid that works at Starbucks or Chick-fil-A or the groundskeeper or anyone that works on campus. Not sure what “watching them do their job” has to do with anything.
As for professors vs coaches, if the market dictated that professors be paid what coaches do then they would. Also, last time I checked, Coaches don’t have tenure.
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I’ve been saying this for years. Stop with the “student” athlete charade.
Stop giving athletic scholarships. Give academic only.
Don’t want to go to class? Don’t.
good enough athlete? Pay them fair market price. Pay their health insurance like an employee. They get hurt? Give them workers comp. 60% of their pay. Put requirements on them.
they don’t perform? Fire them. Replace them with someone better. If they were mistreated then another company err program will pick them up.
If we’re gonna do this. Let’s do this. Football players work for a “billion dollar industry” the same way the student that works for the campus Starbucks. Treat them the same. If they want an education then negotiate it or get a loan like the kid working for the campus Chick-fil-A (another billion dollar company)
Just stop all this already. NCAA can go away then.
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16 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:
I will say this again. It's unfortunate for the players who show loyalty and their family members, but, IMO, since many players see this as a "business" and seem to care very little about the school's name on their jersey or value having their education paid for and given special treatment, they should be open to all criticism when they do not perform well. After all, following their lead, we support a business and pay for their service when we buy tickets and merchandise or even invest our time. So players, don't take offense when the customers feel like they're not getting their money's worth and you are called out and jeered or worse. After all, per your insistence, it's not personal; it's only business.
100% CORRECT
Kind of hard not to say: “Perform for our school or hit the bricks”
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3 minutes ago, DentonStang said:
Y'all are crazy. You should be benefiting from the easy transfers far more than you are losing, even without a strong NIL program. There are a billion players sitting #2 on the depth chart at better programs who will transfer to get playing time. Go look at the portal history of the best G5 programs. And most of them don't have more NIL available than you should be able to pull together.
I hate to agree here but he’s right.
the P5 back up to G5 should be a no brainer. The G5 starter to P5 doesn’t seem like it works out for the player.
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This is how a Tre Siggers goes from being a potential superstar at an FBS school to a school that kicks him to the curb as soon as a better deal comes along to a little FCS school where he’ll eventually never be heard of again.
It’s just the truth. Goes both ways. It’s gonna get worse and the players will end up in worse shape long term. Be careful what you ask for. You want to use the system great but the system will eventually use you.
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2 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:
For all of us worried about building a fanbase and increasing attendance, let me ask this. How much harder will it be now with players coming and going? If your teams have no loyalty to the school, why should fans, and worse other students?
I don’t think we’re going through anything other schools aren’t going through.
I have loyalty to NT. Coaches have to navigate this new world and make the best of it. Hopefully they win
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Will Football become obsolete?
in Mean Green Football
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Obsolete is a bit strong. But the marketplace is changing entertainment….and how we take it in
Look at the writers strike and now actors. These big corporations and media companies. The models are changing. Streaming and the demands of the customers are changing and upsetting a model that was in place for a long long time. I think we were headed here eventually And Covid accelerated it.
not sure what the future holds. As for Hollywood…it will be interesting to see the results. Big corporations (Disney, etc.) aren’t making the money so they’re making cuts at the same time, the rank and file want more. What I think could happen…..is they all wake up and realize that what they do for a living is not really all that important to the average American. They have other things to worry about. And they’re not going to prioritize spending their money on the product these folks produce. The market will dictate it.
Something has to give….