[Pac-2 Cherry picking MWC and raiding AAC takes a hit]

 

On 4/22/2024 at 8:30 PM, Arkstfan said:

NCAA will no longer include the Pac-12-10=2 as an autonomy conference. If the league survives they'll have same voting power as the G5 leagues. They won't be on the Board of Directors, but will stay part of the Division I Council like the G5 which beats being FCS and non-football who have less representation. The autonomous group have a limited ability to make optional rules (such as full cost of attendance) that the non autonomy can choose to follow but they get no say in those rules.

Losing that status and with it the better than G5 independent but not as good as P4 payout from CFP is another blow to Pac-2 having big carrots to offer schools that might make them willing to pay exit fees to join.

Supposedly Pac-2 wants Air Force, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, UNLV, SDSU and some mix of Memphis, UNT, UTSA, Rice, Tulane.

With those advantages eroded, they are going to have to show an impressive media rights deal to successfully raid.

Where do I sign for this? 

[G5s Finally Getting Together......Talking About Their Future]

On 4/24/2024 at 6:36 AM, jtm0097 said:

Include relegation in the model. 

Teams that play in the G5 championship get automatically moved to P4.

Lowest P4 teams, get moved to G5 to replace the two lost teams.

 

This is 100% the best way to move this thing along. Even with all of the terrible rules in place. However, the legislators at schools that are alum of flagship universities wouldn't dare push this along in fear of their precious darling school possibly slipping into the cellar and possibly being victim to this relegation model. That's the challenge. Everyone knows relegation is the best and most purest form of parity that would create a somewhat even playing field over a long period of time. But 'they' don't want an even playing field. They want to show up to the poker take with a mountain of chips and bully the others. There is a tremendous amount of pride and ego associated with all of this. 

[G5s Finally Getting Together......Talking About Their Future]

1 hour ago, SMU2006 said:

B/c there are too many complications of limiting the sphere to 30-ish schools, not the least of which will be Congress and the mother of all antitrust lawsuits.

There is a clear precedent to push antitrust suits right now. And it's not happening... Yet, here we are. 

[If…..]

Tony Mitchell under an inspiring coach and quality nucleus. 

[G5s Finally Getting Together......Talking About Their Future]

1 hour ago, greenminer said:

Maybe I missed something, but I thought this playoff idea was not about moving down.

You're just bumpin

[G5s Finally Getting Together......Talking About Their Future]

28 minutes ago, greenminer said:

you seem to have zero issue with UNT being viewed with the Armys and Navys of the world, by supporting a move to triple option and trimming the football budget.

So, why does a separate league rub you differently?

Viewed with? We're in the same conference with them. We're not viewed with them, we're literally with them. 

I don't want to be viewed with ACU, Bethunecookman, Campbell, Citadel, etsu, etc. Moving to the flex doesn't do that. 

[G5s Finally Getting Together......Talking About Their Future]

2 minutes ago, NT93 said:

As it stands now, I think it’s a valid question.  What needs to happen is that the top 30 form their own league.  That leaves the G5 with a lot of really good teams that would draw lots of interest.  For example, if aTm and UT are the only “big boys” in Texas, there will be plenty of interest from Tech, Baylor, TCU, etc.  

Now, will my scenario ever happen?  I doubt it as it’s too good to be true.

The scenario/Q that always lingers for me is will the big money conferences ever consider dropping their dead weight? If they do, it clearly signifies a move to a legitimate semi-pro farm system setup for the NFL in a very clear and concise manner. If they don't, money will continue to bleed into incompetent hands and they'll continue playing the charade of "student"-athlete all the while dragging us all through their circus like marionettes. 

[SFA stud guard Latrell Jossell commits to North Texas]

2 hours ago, Cooley said:

Not in my opinion. I think we need to wait on the final product but right now, I only like/love the big guy Vice. 

I like the big and the SFA guard. If the Longwood product keeps shooting like he did at Longwood to end the season then I'll like him, too. 

 

 

But... I respect them none. 

[SFA stud guard Latrell Jossell commits to North Texas]

2 hours ago, emmitt01 said:

I think you are vastly underappreciating what A-Scott brought to the table

Defensively, yes. Offensively, I thought we had 2 Matthew Stones on the floor at times. 

[G5s Finally Getting Together......Talking About Their Future]

1 hour ago, emmitt01 said:

It’s a no brainer.  
 

In the old days I knew Dickey’s Sun Belt champion teams weren’t realistically going to get a shot at a national title, but we were at least playing in the same league…a home run recruiting class and a friendly schedule and we had a chance to have a Boise State type string of seasons.  With this new system, there is ZERO chance of building a competitive squad…the second we show potential with all-conference type players, they’re gone.   A Brandon Kennedy would be a one year player in today’s landscape.  
 

So, why wouldn’t the G5 schools try to form their own system?  And, I would jack the price for a visit to a P4 stadium up to a $3M minimum that ALL G5 schools hold firm on.   If Texas wants to go 12-0 they either have to play the other “big boys” or pay the piper💰 

I've been screaming for a mutually inclusive deal among G5s to set a standard visit fee for the better part of 15 years. 

I think interest wans incessantly if this happens. I don't hate the idea of it, but I hate the idea of UNT basically being relegated to how the FCS is generally viewed. 

[G5s Finally Getting Together......Talking About Their Future]

55 minutes ago, SUMG said:

I've been saying for a while now....that we need something different. We'll never compete for a natty in football....in the situation we're in now. And going to these mundane bowls....has gotten monotonous. (sp?)

There are so many bowls now....it's ridiculous.

So maybe a G5 tourney....competing for that level's national title....might be cool.

Anyway...this certainly intrigues me. 

Will people care, though? Is there a market for this? Is Buffalo vs Coastal Carolina going to fill up At&t in Dallas for the G5 national championship? Will the game Crack even 3M viewers? On the surface it appears to be an ok idea. But reality might set in and a move like this might push people away more than it brings them together. 

[Noland To New Mexico]

8 hours ago, CMJ said:

My point is the place isn't just a lousy city where nothing is going on (which has been used both to say there is nothing but basketball to do there or why would anyone go there) like has been bandied about.  More people visit there for tourism in a given year than Denton probably gets in ten.

I don't understand the debate. When people say there is so much to do in DFW in comparison to other places when excusing our poor alum turnout for basically everything... like what? What is there to do? Something that is unique to DFW that keeps our alum so occupied event after event? To isolate it further to Denton is laughable... 

Speaking on ABQ specifically, the only benefit UNM has over UNT is there are no professional sports to get behind. But generally from my experiences, most people are typically diehard college OR pro fans. Not a lot of diehard both. Outside of that, give me AQB. Better city with more actual things to do, especially if you're an outdoorsman. Way prettier. Deeper rooted in culture. I mean, I guess if you like cities developed on top of former prairieland, farm fields, and cow pastures then DFW is definitely for you. 

[The Athletic on DFW Football recruiting]

30 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

You have a billion alumni. You don't need mega donors like we do to play the game at the AAC level.

$1,000,000 would make a massive impact. That $100 from 10,000 alumni. That's doable.  You can't even take a family of four out to a decent restaurant for that much.

Or $50/month from just 1600 people.  

Find players looking to move up or down and sell them on coming back local to DFW so momma can watch him play.  Give him some basic NIL.  That's all you need. 

10,000 UNT alum donating to athletics...

[Will we see changes coming from inside UNT?]

1 minute ago, Green Lantern said:

Honestly UNT would probably be better off if this thing continues to evolve and athletes could just be paid for “NIL” ,which is just straight pay for play anyway, out of the University’s operating budget vs. having to raise it externally from donor sources and funnel it to the department to distribute. 

Maybe. If a reasonable cap is placed. But attorneys will call that racist and unethical... and somehow get their way. 

[The last home games of the 2023-24 school year]

Dayum... wonder if any of that fedex money going to Memphis Softball? I kid, I kid... of course it's not. 

[Reece Mooney could be gone too]

2 minutes ago, jtm0097 said:

These spring transfers that were gone after 1 semester are entering Raveon Hoston territory. A lot of hype and never step on the field.

And to think, the mgsf paid for his education. And food, dorm, weights, training, etc. for 5 months for absolutely no reason. How is this sustainable again?

[Hodge and his defensive focus]

18 hours ago, Jonnyeagle said:

Don’t get me wrong I love Hodge’s defense and it has elevated us to a new level of success. I would not trade that.

Can’t help but wonder if this defensive focus doesn’t lead to some of the defections?  Most bball players want to play offense more than defense.  Just feeling like this is an elephant in the room nobody wants to deal with.

 

It is not an elephant in the room. Team oriented players are more likely to WANT to play defense and WANT to stay where they are at. To me, this is a non-issue. 

Full disclosure: I have no idea what I am talking about. But I am starting to think that maybe CJ and Edwards were cancers to this program. CJ, the use-to-be P5 transfer and Edwards the up and comer that wanted a bag... Maybe they just talked shit all the time about the program to other players and how much money there is out there to go snag and it got our grounded players thinking about it... Last year our nucleus stayed and seemingly wanted to stay. Rubin and Aaron had offers out there to take at the end of last seasons NIT run. Enter CJ and Edwards into the fray and now they're all gone. Just uninformed speculation. But it's definitely worth noting that a coach has to always keep in mind what kind of player they are bringing around your current guys that have proven to be loyal...

[Transparency?]

She's full of shit. 

What information did you want? Did you want CJ and yourself to have the ability to dictate to the coaching staff CJ's shot count, minutes played, and future money given? That's not how any of this works. And if UNM IS telling you that's how it works then they're lying. 

[Rubin didn’t leave UNT for NIL money]

1 hour ago, Green Otaku said:

I may ruffle a lot of feathers here, but he and his team won tourney championships, regular season championships, CBI championship, NIT Championship, and an NCAA game, and it still didn't move the needle. Attendance was still poor, and those players deserved better support.

Yeah. Well, demographics and piss poor culture paired with awful support from the city has created this. We're in poor shape. 

[Noland To New Mexico]

1 hour ago, cousin oliver said:

I poste dthis in another thread, but will repost here.  Did we not see an increase in attendance?  I saw postings on that here on this site as I recall?  Maybe I am mistaken.

There was an increase from an abysmal number to a higher abysmal number. Getting 4k in a Saturday game and being happy about it is pretty sad. And I have never understood people looking at other cities and saying, "They are able to draw because there is nothing to do." That's a total bs scapegoat excuse. There's the same ole crap to do there than there is anywhere else: overpaying for 'craft' beer, shopping at aesthetically pleasing dumb outside malls, movies, bars, restaurants, museums, etc. ABQ has all of that. ABQ also offers scenery and 2 hours from fantastic skiing. Dallas offers zero scenery or winter sports to speak of. If anything, ABQ is low key underrated. 

[Rubin didn’t leave UNT for NIL money]

8 hours ago, NT93 said:

“Rubin has always been apart of winning programs so this was a no brainer for us!”

8-24 is a winning program?

Thought the exact thing. 

[Noland To New Mexico]

5 hours ago, Venson said:

I don't understand the move to New Mexico. That is a lateral move at best.

Not really. 6-bid conference, an awesome arena and they fill the place up. They care about their basketball there. 

[Will we see changes coming from inside UNT?]

On 4/20/2024 at 5:14 PM, NT80 said:

You realize a funding increase for Athletics from the BOR will not include NIL funds?   Those bribery funds have to come from donors or boosters outside the school.  $mut has over 40 years experience (and a death penalty) with paying players.

Our Athletic Department has always done little to inspire and cultivate our fan base and students.   Much of our Athletic growth was spurred by our location and school size.

Well, in Virgina schools have a direct hand in this. And make no mistake, other state legislators will vote this in until it's commonplace. They aren't letting their university be left behind. 

[BREAKING: Jason Edwards to enter transfer portal]

Just now, NT93 said:

When a kid goes to a place like Vanderbilt, I always assume it’s not for athletic purposes, but more for academic reasons.  Naive of me I’m sure, but that’s what I like to tell myself.

30 years ago, sure. Vandy is trying to keep pace nowadays. They were one of the last to lower their academic standards. And they don't call it that and it's hard to find the evidence outside of, "exceptional cases of admission." That's what they like to call it in an attempt preserve their academic standing. And that started in 2010/2011 for Vanderbilt. As far as I know, Stanford was the last D1 holding their athletes to the same standard as their students. But I haven't looked into that in several years. 

[Portal players by conference]

5 hours ago, 97and03 said:

A counter to the “it’s happening to everyone” argument 

clearly some are better at this game than others 

The clear and present theme is that majors are plucking and minors are losing. Shocked.