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1 hour ago, NT80 said:This isn't their first rodeo. They knew what the attendance was projected to be. This group has been through big games at Apogee before....
I think this is a bit of oversimplification. I've seen dozens of posts from other athletic departments about similar issues this year and last. Most businesses (athletic departments included I'm sure) have experienced massive turnover. Don't know about you but I've experienced service issues at restaurants, airports, hotels, pretty much everywhere post pandemic. Added to this is the athletic department uses several 3rd party contractors on game day (parking folks are a 3rd party, ushers/event staff are mostly 3rd party as well, perhaps concessions is too) I would imagine there's been massive turnover for those companies. I'm trying to think back but I think the was the first really big crowd since COVID. Not here to make excuses, because I was pissed myself at waiting 40 plus minutes to get to my parking. I think owning the mistake was the right move for the ath dept and working to make it better was as well. Fans can and should expect better. But saying "this isn't their first rodeo" is oversimplifying the situation a bit IMO.
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7 minutes ago, bstnsportsfan3 said:
So I was a former manager with Academy. The store has very little (almost 0) say in what products they carry. I was a manager in Frisco when the Denton store opened and tried to push for Frisco to get NT gear but corporate wouldn't do it as they wanted it to go to Denton. My guess is that after a few years of the gear not selling ( i never thought the selection was good, to be honest) then the buyers probably stopped buying it and corporate stopped supplying the store. Not much the managers in the store can do. All stores and merchandise is set directly from corporate.
Makes sense. It's kind of what I was trying to say with less experience. But corporations (and really all businesses) care about one thing making money. They will fill there store space with what will bring the highest sales. It's that simple really. For this reason, anytime I go into a space with good UNT selections I buy something. I just want to validate them carrying it (and I can never have enough green). We can gripe on here all we want. That will not help. Buying stuff will
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2 hours ago, untbowler said:
want answers to this don't attack the store, go after our AD and President Administration and the stupid licensing garbage. They make it hard to do anything, attacking the store does nothing.
Huh? All any retailer has to do is fill out a licensing form and agree to the appropriate accounting of merchandise sold and send the University their share. I know htis because my wife has a small business making jewelry. It took her 30 minutes to fill out the form and she had approval back in days. If she wasn't to do a design that isn't pre approved (normal logos and colors) she has to submit that for special approval but otherwise she is good to go.
Academy is almost certainly licensed. If they only have UT Austin out, it's because they think that's what will sale. The store makes that decision, not UNT. The store is the right place to reach out IMO. If you owned a store, you would let UNT tell you what to sell and put on display?
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On 8/20/2022 at 12:22 PM, HoustonEagle said:
A D1 college in Texas without baseball is idiotic. YES we need baseball and if it meant cutting Track and Field entirely I am all for it. I have never in my life watched a UNT track event nor have I checked the results. I would watch UNT baseball and WHEN they make the CWS I would be glued to the TV. It's a cheap sport in terms of scholarships and not terrible on travel. Find the big money family that wants baseball and show them what their name will look like on the stadium. I realize we will always be pushing football but to say we have been throwing good money after bad is an understatement. I do think we wait until we secure the donations for the facilities but then we need to go full speed ahead. I fear what we are doing is telling potential donors that we will not entertain the idea. If I was one of those donors I would not then turn around and give that money to football if that is not where my heart is.
A couple years ago I thought about the track thing myself(dropping it for baseball that is). Two issues I found. 1) Baseball is quite a bit more expensive than track at the insitutitons that sponsored both when I looked it up (and especially at the ones that try to be competitive in baseball). But more important, is track actually is considered three seperate NCAA sports (indoor track, outdoor track, cross-country). I believe we have the minimum number of sports at UNT so we would have to replace track with baseball and two other men's sports (no idea what it would be) but that would definitely end up costing quite bit. Online I found this.
To compete in FBS, a school must compete in at least 16 varsity sports, including football.
Of those 16, at least six must be men's sports and at least eight must be women's sports.
UNT has exactly 16 sports. 6 men and 10 women teams. So dropping track would mean, adding 3 men's teams plus any women's teams that would have to be added for title ix.
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4 hours ago, greenminer said:
I see multiple posts daily from the official team accounts, include photos and videos. I also see tons of coverage from Reed Smith, MeanGreen247, as well as Vito's usual. I actually think Vito's been doing a ton more stuff this season because of everything that's unfolding with NIL/Portal.
I also reallyh love all the unofficial stuff you get these days, especially podcasts. MeanGreenNation just recently released one. We all know about the GMG.com pods. You can also subscribe to a couple great YouTube vlogs that cover UNT sports. Mostly football and basketball.
Personally, as it stands today, I can't keep up with everything.Never said don't be critical of Wren.
I think the coverage is probably as good as it's ever been. DMN and TV never cover us much. Never have in my 40 plus years as a fan. The athletic department puts out quite a few short videos, pictures, clips. Vito puts out something multiple times a week. Reed has been a nice addition (and much needed after Brune was shifted to mostly LSU coverage). I think someitmes folks don't compare apples to apples. No, UNT probably doesn't have the same coverage as schools with 3-4 times the budget. I also follow Texas, Tech, Wichita State and Tulsa because I have passing interest in those programs. UNT dwarfs both Wichita State and Tulsa in content for just about all sports. I can remember a decade ago we had no full time video people in the athletic department. I now count five on the directory. Texas Tech produces more content but they have more than double the people too.
Lastly, different coaches approach media access differently. I don't see Seth as a guy that really wants a bunch of coverage on what the team is running, personnel strengths & weaknesses, etc. I might be wrong but I'd guess, he's a keep it close to the vest kind of guy.
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On 7/25/2022 at 9:28 PM, El Paso Eagle said:
Believe me I hope you're right but after listening to Wren's interview I have my doubts
You keep referring to the interview and saying WB said he didn't care about winning. That is not what he said. I went back and listened. i'm attempting to paraphrase what he said but basically he said in conversations/evaluations with coaches, fans might be surprised how little of the conversation is focused on wins/losses. There's conversations around recruitment/retention, development, academic success, etc. etc. and then he said all of those things that contribute to success athletically and academically. That is not the same as saying winning isn't important. It is basically saying what most coaches/admins always say and this focusing on process is what's more important.
I'm mixed about HCSL but I have never gotten the sense that Smatresk nor Baker believe winning isn't important.
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I think folks are reading way too much into this. The move into the AAC created an opening in 2023. Most football scheduling is done 10 years in advance. Not a lot of options in 2023 which probably helped dictate this series. I always liked La Tech and personally like the series but I'm not sure there's much to debate on this one. There can't be more than 2-3 options in the openings created in 23, 24, 25 by SMU and Memphis games becoming conference games.
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On 6/11/2022 at 9:32 AM, Marty said:
Been a season ticket holder for 16 years, never had an issue.
And as posted above, to stop donating doesn't solve any problems.
Same here. I can't remember ever having an issue and the ticket office has usually been responsive.
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3 hours ago, Billy Clyde said:
Has anyone considered that much of our young, talented roster may hit the transfer portal if SL is relieved of his duties?
The young talent is growing and developing every week. For this reason, I think he gets another year to prove it or lose it.
I do think the UTSA outcome will tell the tale, one way or another. If it plays out like UAB and Marshall, the decision will be apparent.
I'm for our players but really? The young talent that hasn't come anywhere near close to competing against a quality team? We're going to make a decision based on fear of losing them? We lost a bunch in the portal last year anyway. Keeping Littrell didn't stop that.
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11 hours ago, Cr1028 said:
For me, the Covid year is not a factor. For me that year has no significance on my thoughts for or against Littrell so I’m looking at this season with Bennett as DC as the beginning of the 2nd Littrell tenure. It got off to a rocky start but we’ve picked it uo as of late, obviously against mostly poor teams but under most coaching staffs we have fired, the players would’ve given up and lost those games. The fact that we are making strides this late in the season tells me this horse isn’t dead yet.
COVID was a nationwide issue affecting everyone. It's not like we were disadvantaged. In fact, it had a more profound effect on teams on the east and west coast because they had much more stringent protocols (Cal is still being wrecked by COVID). If anything I think we benefited from COVID, we got to cancel A&M, UAB and Houston. All three would have been losses and the UTEP game was moved here. We barely won. I have little doubt we'd have lost that game if it were in El Paso.
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2 hours ago, Cr1028 said:
Seth inherited a 1-11 team that set the record for the worst FBS loss to a FCS team in college football history. I think Seth wins on inheritance of futility.
Except he actually doesn't you just want to believe he does. I get it. You're pro Seth. Maybe he's your neighbor. I've been a fan too and I wouldn't be angry if he got another year at 5-7 although I lean towards making a change. But saying he has the same resume as Fuente isn't true. I took the time to look up the most fair analytic comparison,the Sagarin ratings. This is what each coach inherited and what they did with it. I started three years before they took over and then ran the numbers for their tenure. You could argue they took over the same quality of team (if anything Memphis was slightly worse). But Fuente's success way surpasses Littrells. Seth's best team was in 2018 when he was #83 in the Sagarin. 4 of his 6 seasons he finished lower than 130. There's only 130 FBS teams so that means that using unbiased analytical statistics, there were FCS teams that finished higher than UNT in those years. I'm not saying Fuente is the best coach for UNT I'll Wren and Neal determine that but what I will say is the job Fuente did at Memphis was considerably more impressive than what Seth has done at UNT and arguing otherwise isn't is based on logic or facts.
Year Sagarain Year Sagarin 2013 63 2009 130 2014 144 2010 173 2015 180 2011 182 2016 146 Littrell 2012 123 Fuente 2017 101 Littrell 2013 107 Fuente 2018 83 Littrell 2014 39 Fuente 2019 133 Littrell 2015 48 Fuente 2020 143 Littrell 2021 134 Littrell -
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5 hours ago, golfingomez said:
back to the topic at hand... With all the complaining we are doing about Seth, why are we so fired up to hire a guy that went 26-23 at Memphis and 13-11 in the American?
Probably because Memphis was 5-31 in the three previous seasons before Fuente got there and that was in CUSA. He was actually 17-15 in the AAC overall but 12-4 his final two years and left the talent that Norvell won with as well. Memphis might have been the worst FBS program in the country when he took over.
4 2018 American 8 6 0 .571 5 3 0 .625 2.27 -3.88 Mike Norvell (8-6) Birmingham Bowl-L 5 2017 American 10 3 0 .769 7 1 0 .875 8.52 -0.79 16 25 Mike Norvell (10-3) Liberty Bowl-L 6 2016 American 8 5 0 .615 5 3 0 .625 2.96 -1.11 Mike Norvell (8-5) Boca Raton Bowl-L 7 2015 American 9 4 0 .692 5 3 0 .625 6.55 0.16 15 Justin Fuente (9-3), Darrell Dickey (0-1) Birmingham Bowl-L 8 2014 American 10 3 0 .769 7 1 0 .875 7.22 -4.25 25 25 Justin Fuente (10-3) Miami Beach Bowl-W 9 2013 American 3 9 0 .250 1 7 0 .125 -7.41 -2.66 Justin Fuente (3-9) 10 2012 CUSA 4 8 0 .333 4 4 0 .500 -11.09 -5.34 Justin Fuente (4-8) 11 2011 CUSA 2 10 0 .167 1 7 0 .125 -18.17 -6.17 Larry Porter (2-10) 12 2010 CUSA 1 11 0 .083 0 8 0 .000 -19.43 -1.51 Larry Porter (1-11) 13 2009 CUSA 2 10 0 .167 1 7 0 .125 -12.06 -0.81 Tommy West (2-10) -
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1 hour ago, Cr1028 said:
What has he “proven” at our level that is so superior to what Seth did his first 3 years? He won his 1 bowl game appearance? Showed that in 4 seasons he could tie for first in conference once and never finish above 3rd in the other 3 years?
If Seth had left us for KSU and was getting fired this year, you’d be begging him to come build on the success he had early on here because he had “proven he could win at our level”.
Successful 2nd chance guys (like Dykes) generally have a way higher success rate than taking a chance on the up and coming guys. I'm a fan of Seth Littrell the person but he's had six years. He hasn't beaten anyone worth a damn (100 or higher) since 2017. And even the biggest homer can't look at these last three years and point to any measure of progress. There's risk to any hire we would make, but what we get with Seth is a known. And it isn't good.
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On 11/12/2021 at 10:30 AM, Tom McKrackin said:
I've been thinking about this alot, especially with the fact we may have to buy out Seth. Instead of building a new basketball facility we need to just update the Super Pit. It has a fantastic central location to the campus and most of us on the site probably graduated or had classes there. It has a lot of sentimental value to me! We do need to replace the seats and make them wider.
This is what I think we could use as a model for the renovation:
For the exact same reasons UNT is looking at new, so is OU. https://www.oudaily.com/sports/oklahoma-basketball-take-a-look-at-the-proposal-for-new/article_778d4232-9d8c-11e7-8d2f-bfd96c530d6d.html
The old concrete structures are next to impossible to modernize without spending more than a new one would cost. Lloyld Noble has no suites, club or premium and they never come close to filling it because it's too big. You can't create supply & demand and you can't make any money off of premium seating. It's almost the exact same issues as the Super Pit.The Ferrell Center in Waco has the same issues and is being replaced. The only school that has successfully renovated one of these types of structures is Houston which spent nearly $70 million in 2017 dollars on Hoffeinz. They have a really nice club but still no suites for that price tag which would probably be closer to $100 million in todays dollars. UNT could have a hell of a brand new arena with plenty of restrooms, ADA accomodations and premium seating right sized for less than Houston spent on their renovation.
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1 hour ago, SilverEagle said:I'd like to know the name of the person or persons responsible for evaluating and then recommending the last two coaches that Baylor has hired. I would like Wren to get him/them on the phone and pick their brains and see if they are generous enough to evaluate our program and then make recommendations for North Texas.
The AD that hired Rhule and Aranda is Mack Rhoades. That's who Wren worked for at Missouri when they hired Barry Odom (who did a pretty good job too). Rhoades also hired Tom Hermann at Houston. So hopefully Wren is talking to him.
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16 minutes ago, greenminer said:
If I remember correctly, it was the AAC commish who said we are the only one of the new programs going in that have already taken the financial steps needed to be in the AAC.
That is Wren.Agree with you on this and I think the timing of this is even more important. Those of us that have been around a while know that before the combo of Baker/Smastresk athletics has never been a priority or supported at a high level. (as a side note I wasn't the biggest RV fan but building Apogee with the lack of support at the time was a huge accomplishment).
I would think coaches and agents see what has happened under Wren and Neal and say man, that's impressive. But a quick google search would reveal Neal is 70 years old. Maybe I'm wrong but I see this announcement coming out at this time as saying " Hey, our AD is going to be here to see us transition to the American conference, come coach the Mean Green!"
If that's the case, very smart IMO.
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5 minutes ago, Jonnyeagle said:Please Wren - I beg of you - Please go get us Gary Patterson. There are so many reasons that this makes sense for him and us. As this article clearly states, he is still wanting to coach and he would be a once in a lifetime hire for North Texas. I beg of you, put the University first on this one.
Read more at: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article255467571.html#storylink=cpy
That's a no vote from me. I respect GP but it seems there's reasons he's being pushed out. Rumors behind the scenes that he's become a nightmare to deal with, the whole debacle where he repeated a racial slur, some of the highest portal turnover in the country. GP has been an incredible coach, but there's no reason to believe his best days aren't far behind him. When you have a statue in front of the stadium and the best relationships with boosters of anyone on campus and still get pushed out, there's probably reasons.
To be clear, I'd have GP on my list. But definitely not at the top and for sure not before conducting a nationwide search. But hey, I'm a blue collar worker so what the hell do I know?
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4 hours ago, SUMG said:
After attending last night's great AAC celly, I came away with the impression that they are gonna keep Seth around.
For one thing.....he was there. His team was down at the hotel....but Seth was at the event. I didn't see any other coaches of any sports. (maybe some were there). But if they were there....there was only one coach recognized from the speakers....and that was Seth.
Wren heaped praise on him.....by saying something like...."We wouldn't be getting into the AAC....if not for things like four bowl games in five years." (paraphrased).
This would sure explain the Phil Bennett 2-year deal.
Anyway....just my perception. Talked to a few other fans afterwards.....they felt the same thing.
I guess in 6 weeks....we'll know.
Go Mean Green!
I didn't necessarily walk away with that impression. But Seth was in attendance and he was talking with several donors so it might've been awkward if they didn't recognize. He did get applause when Hank mentioned him. Wren praised RV as well as most of us on here don't remember that tenure fondly. My point is, one can point out accomplishments and highlights of a coach without committing to them long term. What I didn't here last night was, we're looking forward to Seth winning AAC championships. That would have cause me to have ring the fire bell 🙂
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On 10/10/2021 at 9:07 AM, RBP79 said:
I'll ask again..."Who has Wren fired here at NT"???? It wasn't Benford...just didn't renew contract.
That's the hardest thing a leader has to do but it shows the ability of a leader to do their job.
Huh? How long you been following UNT? In WB's first couple years on the job literally half the admin staff turned over. I bet we had more turnover in those two years than in the decade before combined. There's pretty much an entire new staff.
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On 10/8/2021 at 12:53 PM, untjim1995 said:
Yeah, it does look better, for sure. I guess I thought MIzzou was a 3 for 1, but it appears to be just a 2 for 1. But you're also correct that we do have some seasons in there that look rather blah, too.
I don't even think it was a 2 for 1. I think a body bag game was scheduled first by RV (this game) and then Wren scheduled a home and home. After this I think the only body bag game left is Wisconsin.
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2 hours ago, untbowler said:
won't do a damn thing. SL will finish his contract, just like Benford did. WB will not fire anyone unless he has no other choice, he will take the easy route and let the contract run out.
You always bring up Benford and I'm confused on why. WB was hired in August of 2016. The decision to keep Benford for that year had already been made. At the end of the season, he made a change and hired McCasland. You're making assumptions because he took seven months to assess the program or because he didn't fire him midseason? He let him go the day after the season ended. I personally think mid season firings are the wrong way to go especially now with the portal but to be clear Benford had already been given another year when Baker came in.
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On 9/17/2021 at 12:16 PM, Mo Green said:
Currently, as in the past, we have been an afterthought in football. Losing (32-32 SL) with each coach that we hire in football (if just GH & MF never left)! So now our HC SL was hired for his offense capabilities, & he has given everything to his co-offensive coordinator's that had over 500 yards and only 12 points. Where are we going with this?
Now, there are opportunities to advance to a league that their best in football & overall sports were taken, on paper at lease ($$$), to a better league. Based on why they were taken what does ONE NCAA BB tournament win (even with a bright future in men's BB) make us such a prized commodity when we can't get any continuity in football and have in our history hiring TWO H.S. coaches as HEAD COACH? Is it our sell-outs, just location ( think titanic), college size etc. that make us so attractive?
Answer this, so I will understand with what you see!
I would argue that we've only been serious about athletics for a decade or so. For years we had the awful budgets, god awful (in some cases on existent facilities), and no commitment (went FCS for God sakes). Now we are top two in facilities in CUSA, top two in budget and top 3 in conference championships (all sports) since joining the league. I think I read our top 3 winning percentages (for all sports with head to head records) occured in the last five years. We have over 40,000 students and over 400,000 alums and we sit in DFW, the #5 DMA. And Denton County is the fastest growing county in the US. We've been to bowl games 4 out of 5 years and won 9 games back to back in 2017 and 2018. I get the 4 out of seems cheap since two were with sub .500 records but guess what Charlotte (another team being discussed) has 1 bowl appearance ever.
I believe when SMU, Tulane and Memphis went to the AAC all had losing records for 8 or more years. All are enjoying some of their greatest success. So I would think other teams see the potential we have. One other note. We don't have to be better than the teams currently in the AAC or MWC. We only have to be more attractive than the other candidates. Look at the other teams listed UAB, Charlotte, FAU, UTSA, Rice. Everyone of those teams have weaknesses in their resume.
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25 minutes ago, Jonnyeagle said:
Wren hasn’t fired one coach since he has been here and Inseriously doubt he has plans to fire one that has such a huge buyout as his first!
I can't remember her name but I think softball was fired. And not renewing a contract (i.e. Benford) is pretty much the same IMO. But I agree that's a huge buyout to weigh. And if we get in a different conference, seems like we'll owe several million to CUSA to exit so timing is probably not ideal.
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14 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:
“…if the situation presents itself…” sounds a lot like, “we’re waiting for an email.”
Sometimes you gotta MAKE the situation present. Hope Wren’s being proactive.
I know this has been posted before...but I'd bet money Wren has let Aresco know UNT's interest. Aresco was quoted when Wren was hired.
Michael L. Aresco, Commissioner of the American Athletic Conference: "This is a spectacular hire. Having known and worked with Wren while he was at Memphis, he is an extremely experienced, personable and capable executive and will do a great job for North Texas. The college sports landscape has never been more challenging, and Wren's intelligence and vision will be enormously important to North Texas and Conference USA."
Also, one of Wren's first hires was CFO Stacy Martin who left a couple years back to be CFO at the AAC. That can't hurt either.
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We get it. Anything different than what you and your boy RV did is dumb. I’ve been a member of both for over 20 years. Nothing changed but the name. I asked a mgsf member why the change one time. Part of the logic explained to me was many people had no idea where the money went and several out of town donors had no interest in being part of a club so changing the name made it more clear what was being supported. Made sense to me. If you live where you can’t buy season tickets, you probably don’t need to be a member of a “club” but supporting scholarships might be of interest.
The name isn’t the damn issue. The issue is through a half dozen ADs and three decades we don’t have enough people that care. That’s pretty much the extent of it. Changing the name back would not bring any more money or donors and there wasn’t much history and tradition in MGC. Same program. Ballpark same number of donors. Actually brings in more money now than it use too.
if there’s so much valuable tradition in the MGC name use it for your collective.