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1 minute ago, SMU2006 said:
You mean like USC going to Rutgers for a conference game? or BYU going to UCF? You're acting like the geographic disposition is unique to the ACC. Its not. This is all being driven by TV.
Eventually, one of those four teams will be in the top group. The other three will be down with SMU and UNT
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10 minutes ago, SMU2006 said:
B/c there are too many complications of limiting the sphere to 30-ish schools, not the least of which will be Congress and the mother of all antitrust lawsuits.
THE SPHERE IS 30-ISH SCHOOLS!!!
The debate is should we continue with this charade or be proactive and put something together that could benefit the rest of the left overs.
I happen to think a regional direction for the rest of us will be good...both in eyeballs and costs. Especially compared to what we have now.
For crying out loud, Cal is going to North Carolina for conference games. That's dumb.
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14 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:
Plus if your current competition moves up and you don't than that is moving down not staying in place.
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14 minutes ago, SMU2006 said:
Oh there's no question SMU (along with several others) are not going to be in the Power 2. The point I'm making is there will still be access to a playoff system for the Big 12 and ACC "leftovers". Same will not be true for the G5.
For now…..
But why would the P2 want to share the playoff with the non P2?
they don’t have to. There’s nothing in it for them.
Who do they want in, an 8-4 big brand like Penn St or an 11-1 non brand like SMU.
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19 minutes ago, SMU2006 said:
The Boston College/SMU's of the world will still be in the mix through access to the playoff. Obviously, there is going to be a Power 2 but what's going to eventually happen is the Big 10 and SEC will shuffle off some of their lesser performing "assets" down to the ACC and Big 12 while FSU, Clemson, Kansas, and potentially UNC move up. Rutgers, Vandy, NW, and a few others will head down.
The G5 will have their own division and won't be given access to the playoff, therefore necessitating they create their own.
That's right they'll shuffle them "DOWN"
In this new world, who is SMU more aligned with?
Rutgers, Vandy, NW and a few others?
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Ohio St, Bama, Texas, USC
(I didn't want to turn this into an SMU topic but you just can't seem to accept reality...)
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19 hours ago, GrandGreen said:
Forget it, if NT moves down from D1. Competitive or not; being in the highest official classification has benefits.
NT was in a league like this in the old 1aa days, and it was a nightmare in terms of coverage, support, and financially.
I don't see any rationale why an official separation between P and G teams should happen.
The P's already get most of the money and coverage. What do they have to gain?
But I don't see this a move down....more of a "not moving up"
For this to take shape, you have to assume that the "highest official classification" is going to change. It's gonna be 30-40 teams. This isn't like going FCS in the '80s. It's not even close....the entire landscape has changed. NIL, transfer portal, ESPN, media.....nothing today resembles 1988.
The "highest official classification" is just a label. It's unofficially the SEC/Big 10 now...even the Big 12 is not stable...P5 is going to P2. We have to stop thinking that because an Oregon State has "always been a Power conference school" that they will continue to be one. Boston College? SMU? LOL. The math has changed. Alabama, Ohio State and Texas are so far removed from the lower P5s and G5s that snow ball is moving at warp speed down the mountain. Them along with ESPN run college football now and what they want, they will get. I don't think Ohio State really cares about Washington St....
We (current G5 plus the P5 "hanger ons") aren't going to be able to keep up with this new world...
I think this proposal is a new classification...not moving down to an existing one.
Just my humble opinion....
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This new proposed contingency ACC sure walks and quacks like a non power conference. Why would anyone allow them to stay a Power conference without the teams that make them a power conference?
I have an idea: when the PAC 12 goes away, let’s change the name of the AAC to the PAC 12: Boom, now we’re in a power conference.
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Following up on Arkstfan’s point…..show me the TV money…
Will a network bite on this? I don’t really have pulse either way.
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Just now, untjim1995 said:
I've said this exact thing for years. Those NFL-lite and NBA-lite schools need to separate completely. Move on to their New Minor League setup. And let the rest of us compete against peers in a structure that makes sense, from a cost standpoint. I would love to have UNT in a league that has the current AAC, MWC, CUSA, MAC, and SBC schools, as well as the former power programs that get left behind, like Washington State and Oregon State have already experienced.
Short of us going 26-1 and making the playoff the next couple of years or getting our version of T Boone....it's the only hope our football program has to survive
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either way....it seems that there is no longer going to be a middle ground. And UNT and it's alumni need to decide which way they're going to go.
Either go all in....or drop. We can't just sit and stay afloat....unless there is some sort of official break. That seems to be our only hope. Let the top 40 schools form their own thing and then the rest of us go regional. That's really our only option and if that doesn't happen then it's time to decide if throwing any money toward "big time" football is worth it. I challenge anyone to come up with a justification for it.
Basketball is still there for the taking and much less expensive to operate.
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On 4/17/2024 at 10:15 PM, rcade said:
...supporting UNT is like herpes. You think it's finally gone and it flares up again.
I'm gonna put that on a T-Shirt
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1 hour ago, MeanGreenZen said:
Here is another quote from a DFW high school head coach that I found interesting and true unfortunately:
“The Group of 5s are now junior colleges. If your kid is all-conference, he ain’t coming back. He’s gone, and you know he’s gone. They have to change their thinking for how they build their programs. They have to tell kids, “Come here, play a couple years and you’ll be gone.” They have to just be good with that. They’re not going to stay around.”
Link to article:We can b!tch and moan all we want...but schools have 3 choices:
1. Change it
2. Complain about it
3. Adapt to it
Won't be long (if they're not doing it already) before coaches start telling kids "You didn't get that P5 offer you wanted, come here and we'll develop you and then help you get there." Coaches used to say that to kids wanting to go pro. Now instead of: "I'll help you get to the NFL" it may be: "I'll help you get to Alabama."
They're being forced to start thinking about players as 2 year players instead of 4 year players. So that coach is technically correct...G5s are now on a juco time table: 2 year plan vs 4 year plan.
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I know that we're supposed to figure out how to get fans engaged without just winning.....but....
The fans sure seemed engaged when we came back to largest crowd ever at Apogee 4-0 with an SEC road win under our belt, knocking on the top 25. This was against a CUSA team. And we blew it.
So no...winning by itself isn't the only thing, but taking advantage of what comes along with the winning is the key. The most important Marketing department at UNT is the head football coach.
I don't know why people don't see this in its simplicity but it really is simple. Win, get ranked, get national attention...then people will engage.
We have been in this constant state of putting lipstick on this pig and I don't care who you hire, who you talk to, how you market, who in the administration we talk to, who in the city of Denton you engage......this program will never in a million years have any engagement until it sees Boise/UCF/Houston national attention type success. There's nothing more to talk about.
11-1, 12-0, NY6 Bowl, Knock on the door of the playoff.
That's what it will take. Period
And if the expectation is anything less than that, then everything else that happens is a waste of money with no ROI.
Why would any fan, art student, business student, Denton resident, Argyle resident, Lewisville resident, former student, alumni, etc. be interested in anything regarding this football program if they're 7-5 every year. No one is going to care no matter what package you put on it.
No offense to the OP....good ideas, but go 7-5 and then implement that entire list and tell me that people will still engage.
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So if this trend continues, we’ll recruit a scorer that will be all conference next season.
We were having this same conversation around this time last year when our leading scorer, all conference guard entered the transfer portal before we even knew who Jason Edwards was.
I don’t even really care either way anymore. Go get another one.
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44 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:
"Was SMU in the conference at the time, depreciating the AAC from a quality P5 program into a laughingstock/craphole?"
"No."
"It would be cruel and unusual punishment to force you to be in this situation. You are free to go with no exit fees, and SMU's donors will be required to pay your legal fees as well as to repay your emotional distress."
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I wonder how many times in that 50 year coaching career, Nick Saban has uttered the words: "I don't want to know" when talking with big money donors.
I always have a hard time feeling sorry for multi millionaires when they whine about their little kingdoms being changed.
Not that it makes NIL right (in its current form) and I don't know what the answer is. (Actually, I do....and I've said it multiple times: stop with the "student athlete" nonsense. Make them employees and treat them like employees. Don't give athletic scholarships. Academic only)
It's also ironic that the guy whining about the money influence in college football is taking a cushy job working for the very network that just completed a nearly $8 billion dollar deal with the CFP.
Remember, coaches like Nick Saban and their $8 million salaries with the freedom to negotiate how they please had this environment long before the players did.
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Just now, TheColonyEagle said:
I think I could've been a judge:
"Clemson, when you signed this contract...were these exit fees in there?"
"yes"
"and you signed the contract anyway?"
"yes"
"ok lawsuit dismissed"
The trial would take about 4 minutes. I saved everyone a bunch of time and money. Lawyers have to get 2nd jobs, the jury gets to be back at their jobs after lunch....
Oh...and for good measure, if we want to extend the trial another 3 minutes:
"Clemson, did you get the money the ACC committed to you per the terms of the contract between you and the ACC?"
"yes"
"OK then case super duper dismissed and you're being fined $5.25 for wasting the court's time"
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I think I could've been a judge:
"Clemson, when you signed this contract...were these exit fees in there?"
"yes"
"and you signed the contract anyway?"
"yes"
"ok lawsuit dismissed"
The trial would take about 4 minutes. I saved everyone a bunch of time and money. Lawyers have to get 2nd jobs, the jury gets to be back at their jobs after lunch....
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MWC has 6 teams in
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32 free throws for FAU
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I think that’s it
man we missed so many shots down the stretch
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Davis is the most maddening opponent I think I’ve ever seen us play. He’s just so damn good. Not flashy…he’s just a damn basketball player.
I hate him
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SHOCKED they didn’t call a charge there
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1 hour ago, TheColonyEagle said:
It’s almost like the way the games were reffed this year has conditioned the aggressiveness out of our defense. But the refs are letting them play. Should be to our benefit. FAU is taking advantage. We are not so far.
Safe to say this hasn’t aged well…
G5s Finally Getting Together......Talking About Their Future
in Mean Green Football
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Your delusion would be funny if it weren’t so sad.