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42 minutes ago, Army of Dad said:
? Maybe I'm just not seeing because I'm on a mobile version of the site?
Apparently it's been erased. Wasn't on the page when viewed by regular computer.
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4 minutes ago, Mean_Green09 said:
If he leaves so be it. It won't make or break next year. Same thing for Combs. No one on this roster is irreplaceable.
Well, this would be a MUCH better team with both. I think Combs leaving is a done deal.
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9 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:
Would you agree he held Benford accountable for the season he just had?
Absolutely not. He allowed him to complete a contract. That isn't "holding him accountable" for one damn thing.
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4 minutes ago, drex said:
There is also a 3% chance of final judgement, UNT 90.
I think there is a greater than 3% chance Lawson leaves. New coach will have to sell him to get him to stay. Lawson will have other opportunities.
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On 3/6/2017 at 11:32 AM, wardly said:
J.J will be fired by L.S.U. as well. Tough way to make a living.
Both guys are millionaires. Digging ditches is touch. Collecting garbage is tough.
I would say it's a volatile way to make a living. But tough? No.
What's tough is those two new suits Benford never got to wear.
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Better hope he doesn't transfer.
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30 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:
Which makes the Ray Harper elevation from assistant to interim to head coach all the more an outlier.
Even if it was the closest set of parallel circumstances to what UNT faced with Benford, right?
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1 hour ago, Harry said:
“Generally speaking, mid-season coaching changes – other than making some fans happy – do more harm than good,” Baker said. “Less than five percent of coaching changes are made mid-season. It’s more destructive the constructive. It rarely greatly changes the trajectory of a season.”
A gross misunderstanding of the problems at UNT. This gives me very little hope for Baker to make it here, unless he suck perpetual ass like the last guy.
Either way, it looks like AT THIS POINT another in a long line of failed hires and future failure for UNT.
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14 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:
We don't fire CEOs here where I work because we have a bad quarter or two ... or even a market that has struggled for an extended period of time. You've got to show a trend over a year or two that things aren't getting better before leadership changes are made.
Sadly, I've seen way more people laid off and stores closed then CEOs that have moved on to other companies. I've worked under 3 different CEOs and 2 (soon to be 3 CIOs) in the 10+ years I have been with the company I have worked for since August 2006.
Like a 5 year trend? Good lord. Comical.
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1 minute ago, KingDL1 said:
I not sure where you get that idea, but it happens every day almost in the retail world.
It sounded good and protected the AD6?
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1 hour ago, UNTFan23 said:
When customers stop buying things, people get laid off but rarely will the CEO be fired as a direct result.
They hold no water according to ... you?
Good to see you're sticking to the script. Keep it up, someone will adopt you ... oh wait, TCU has already. Go whine and complain over on their board since you've said you no longer care about the North Texas basketball program.
Funny that you used these exact same excuses, isn't it. Did Baker send those to you? Lol.
You don't care about winning. And I'm going to need to see that post FROM 5 YEARS AGO before I believe you ever said anything that wasn't an echo of the UNT AD.
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20 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:
You guys will literally buy anything. The 3 EXCUSES he gives hold no water. At all. He couldn't go back at look at film of the last 4 freaking years? Was he not a basketball coach?
The evaluation was done when UNT was 0-12 in conference. Are you freaking kidding me?
The best chance to win???? That's a joke, and he absolutely knows it.
Building a winner going forward has zero to do with this year. Nada, zip, zilch. Unless you consider the terrible recruiting position you have put the next coach in going forward by allowing a last place finish. Building a winner going forward would be the reason to make a move, not the other way around.
This gives me even more pause about Baker going forward. Pure spin. This is reminiscent of the RV "its Northern Arizona's fault" excuse for his own terrible scheduling.
This is a huge misstep by Baker. He will lose trust going forward after shoveling more bull from an office that has moved a record amount the last 15 years.
Tell the truth about why you do things, Wren Baker.
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7 minutes ago, MeanGreen_MBA said:
That is an assumption as well. Truth is, none of know why WB did what he did. He does not answer directly to us. I am sur h had a strategy in place. To reveal that strategy does no good as this board proves. He will never make everybody happy. Just do the hsame st job he can do. Can we all agree on this??
This.
This right here.
He damn sure does. Without us, he doesn't have a job. Period.
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17 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:
You know this to be the case how?
By knowing 3 former college assistant coaches. 2 of whom saw Benford coach year one as my guest when we all were trying to figure out WTF. Both told me that UNT was the worst coached team they had seen play at the FBS level.
And both told me other coaches would know, because that's how the coaching community works.
Now, one question for you. Can you show me one post in your long history where you disagreed with the AD about anything? Either Baker or RV. Just one post...
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Just now, MeanMag said:
The change could have happened anywhere from 1-4 years. It certainly should have been corrected at the end of last year, but look at the guy in charge of that at the time...
I am not sure how firing a guy half way through the season is viewed in the coaching community, but I would imagine, it is frowned upon. Being a good boss that people want to work for includes treating people right. Lets say you are offered the same position from 2 competing schools and the AD has a track record of firing people mid-season, warranted or not.
I don't think firing Benford halfway through year 5 when he never should have gotten year 3 or 4 would tell anyone anything other than you finally did what should have been done 3 years earlier.
The coaching community is tight. They know more than anyone what a disaster Benford is as a head coach and how much rope he has been given. If anything, NOT firing Benford hurt the perception of this program with coaches, not the other way around.
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15 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:
Let's say for just a moment that Benford was fired in late January and an assistant is elevated to be the interim head coach. What changes do you expect to take place that makes a team that is rife with poor basketball fundamentals suddenly play better? I want you honest, non-professional opinion on what changes make a bad team suddenly play better.
Let's also keep in mind that North Texas finished towards the bottom of most team statistics in Conference USA.
Let's see, not having a coach that acts like what he thinks a coach should act like on the bench instead of actually coaching. What do I mean? 90% of all offense possessions where UNT's bench was on UNT's offensive side, Benny was up yelling at players DURING THE POSSESSION. Many times the whole possession. Who needs away fans when your coach is doing such a good job? Sit down and shut up and let the players do what you supposedly coaches them to do in practice. If you need to talk to them, do it on a dead ball or in a time out. Many times, Benfords voice was the only thing you could hear in the empty pit. Changing this one thing would help immensely.
Substitution patterns is another.
Free throw percentage would increase.
The pressure of playing for a losing coaching that was coaching for his job would be gone.
Players would actually want to play again. See quotes from Mitchell, Jones, and Alzee in the article by Vito. You seriously think the current players feel any different? The biggest joke from you guys is the fear that players will transfer if Benford leaves.
I can see you don't upnderstand (or don't want to understand because you have staked out a terrible argument) the mental aspect of sports, It's huge. In basketball, especially. Changing that mental aspect would have helped this team tremendously.
5 minutes ago, greenminer said:so there is an opinion on this board that, if you have a coach that has demonstrated over 5 years it is VERY LIKELY you will lose out and finish last, that you don't make any change because you might still lose out and finish last?
Just want to make sure I understand.
It's a terrible argument, but he has latched on to protect WB and won't let go.
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8 minutes ago, KingDL1 said:
That is the point there is suddenly some hope for everyone. And you have no idea what the final result would be, but logic states it would be better than with Benford.
I mean, never mind the former players' quotes about the disaster that TB was and how they didn't get up for games.
They were just cancers, you see.
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6 minutes ago, BTG_Fan1 said:
It was not WB who gave TB the 5th year... If you are going to say fire him before the season, everyone thought this team was/ could have an okay season.
If you wanna say he should have fired TB mid-season, yes it could have gotten us more Ws, or it could have gotten more less Ws as well. WB not firing TB just shows how little trust he had in the assistants who would have replaced TB
Everyone DID NOT think this team would have an "okay season." Others and I warned that this thing would be a disaster again. I told Harry that directly. I posted it on this board. The people who said that were echoing Tony Benford. Those that paid attention to actions (his actual coaching) and not words knew the problems.
Same thing with RV. Same people either wanted him to stay or were "on the fence" about him leaving when it was clear for years he was a disaster, and many of us screamed it to deaf ears.
For the record I predicted a 20 loss season. Seems I was a bit optimistic.
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1 minute ago, UNTFan23 said:
Maybe the team plays better but would it be enough to overcome the NUMEROUS double digit losses in conference? Doubtful. It's quite likely we still would have finished dead last or at 13th place still missing the tournament. At least some of the fans would have been happier for it though, right?
Opponent NTFirstHalf OppFirstHalf FirstHalfMargin NTSecondHalf OppSecondHalf SecondHalfMargin GameMargin ResultWin/Loss Charlotte 30 52 -22 46 49 -3 -25 L Old Dominion 17 23 -6 31 32 -1 -7 L UAB 27 23 4 25 31 -6 -2 L Middle Tennessee 27 37 -10 41 42 -1 -11 L Rice 39 37 2 40 64 -24 -22 L Southern Miss 20 31 -11 45 44 1 -10 L Louisiana Tech 30 33 -3 27 48 -21 -24 L Charlotte 43 29 14 38 53 -15 -1 L Old Dominion 27 30 -3 40 43 -3 -6 L Rice 39 50 -11 41 45 -4 -15 L FAU 35 24 11 35 40 -5 6 W FIU 30 38 -8 41 52 -11 -19 L UTEP 29 28 1 36 37 -1 0 L UTSA 33 28 5 50 45 5 10 W Louisiana Tech 32 32 0 35 53 -18 -18 L Southern Miss 30 47 -17 23 29 -6 -23 L Western Kentucky 36 46 -10 27 28 -1 -11 L Marshall 53 45 8 51 61 -10 -2 L Average Per Game 32.05555556 35.16666667 -3.111111111 37.33333333 44.22222222 -6.888888889 -10 2-16 At least you would have demonstrated to your fans, as a new AD, that you give a crap about wins and loses. At least you would have demonstrated you weren't ok going 0-18. That is now highly suspect.
I don't care if the student manager was elevated to head coach. I bet the team would have played better:
But we were shoveled the same crap that was shoved down our throats for 5 freaking years.
You don't care about the AD SHOWING fans he cares about winning, because you don't care about it.
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We see the awful low expectations of some throughout this thread. 0-18? No problem if the AD says so. Fire Mac mid season? All behind it as long as that's what the AD wants to do.
No other FBS athletic program would have let TB come back for year 5, most not for year 3 or 4. But we are UNT, where fans are perfectly happy losing because that's what they are used to and accept.
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9 hours ago, AustinFromUNT said:
I'm surprised that saying we should see what he does is such a controversial opinion. 5 upvotes and 5 downvotes. That's kinda scary.
One of the AD6 must not have read it yet. ?
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Great recruiter. Average coach.
Wish him well.
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18 minutes ago, KingDL1 said:
Why was UNT90's handle on the whiteboard with a line through it?
That was for the assistant AD position that cat from Abilene Christian got.
So close but yet so far.
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22 minutes ago, Army of Dad said:
I see this as a chicken and the egg. 90 is both called out and calling out in (nearly) every thread.
I'd be just as happy if the white knight brigade followed their own advice to 90 and knock off the wild pendulum swing in the exact opposite direction (nearly) every damn thread.
If you go back and look, I rarely, if ever, start it. There are 6 posters on this board that attack just about everything I say. The mods have refused to address it and have even joined in on one occasion (after which I really became free game).
I shouldn't be surprised. These 6 were pissed when a group of us did something that needed to be done, that they would never do. I was warned I would be vilified by a certain group, but the venom they have attacked with is pretty shocking.
i think you will find all 6 down at Rock and Roll Sushi every Friday eating that Lake Ray Roberts Sushi on the house. Lol.
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A.J. Lawson
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If he gets his degree, he will be eligible immediately next year. He isn't going to want to spend his final season on a team struggling to rebuild.
He will have options in the WCC, the AAC and several other conferences that aren't P5s, but are huge steps above CUSA. That will raise his profile for professional contracts. Maybe not NBA, but definitely overseas contracts for really good money.