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23 hours ago, Glory to the Green said:
If back pay must happen, why couldn’t each school, or conference, be responsible for back paying its own players?
I’m of the impression that’s what is happening. I haven’t read the fine print, but am assuming the players getting back pay are all getting a similar or standard set payment. That’s the only way to justify the non A5s paying more. Collectively there are more of us than them.
Is there some way to go back in time to determine that one player’s value was more than another’s?
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On 5/27/2024 at 11:49 AM, untjim1995 said:
The problem is that the judges and legislatures are dominated by the Power Teams' alums, not to mention the $$$ those schools bring to their states. A lawsuit is DOA, I'm afraid.
What needs to happen is those 40-50 Power schools (or less) need to breakaway and play their own professional levels of football, basketball, and baseball. Let the rest of us start over again and play against each other in scholarship+stipend setups, with no transfers between schools without costing you a year, just as it used to be.
As others have pointed out, breaking away doesn't stop them from raiding our rosters. I'm afraid there is no going back. We all need to push for player contracts.
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9 hours ago, wardly said:
Just asking, but will UNT even be able to afford a football program?
The Jared Mosley appearance on Matt Mosley’s podcast is posted here and worth a listen. Sounded like non-revenue sports will take a hit but football and basketball will continue on.
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On 5/20/2024 at 7:07 PM, RBP79 said:
I agree....I would go one more.....once in a P4 your considered Professional and can't return to a G5. Sit on that bench and make your NIL monies...
No to this. There are already established models all over the sports world that can be followed here in college sports. None of them punish a player for making it to a top level team. That's what this would do. Instead, the focus is usually on trying to get a return on the investment. Which means that they will want to help the player continue to develop and hope the player's value eventually meets or exceeds the contract. Allow the big schools to loan guys out, or sell for pennies on the dollar.
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On 5/20/2024 at 9:42 AM, NT80 said:
No, breaking off won't keep G5 players from wanting paid, or from P4's stealing them away. It won't fix the real issue that we need player contracts, if they want to be considered employees. Make them sign to play for only a scholarship at our level. If they want $, they have to get invited to the next level, with compensation to the losing school too.
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4 minutes ago, TheColonyEagle said:
Why don't the G5s work together and say "we're not paying....we didn't create this mess" and force the Power conferences to sue....P5s, state your case and convince a jury or the public you have a legitimate complaint.
You don't.
Now we're talking.
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Hell Yes, Jared Freaking Mosley!! Standing up. Finally someone is speaking up and out. Sick and tired of watching the greedy P5,4,2 destroy college athletics. This is what we've needed. At least fight back. Doesn't mean we win, but either start fighting this crap or just throw in the towel. I hope we fight back.
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On 5/13/2024 at 11:19 AM, rcade said:
I don't understand why NIL collectives aren't putting athletes in billboards and other ads. It would make the process look less like a farce if they found companies and products willing to be promoted as part of the NIL deals they are putting together.
Billboards and ads cost money.
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22 minutes ago, cousin oliver said:
I agree with this wholeheartedly. Only the biggest schools with the most money are benefiting from NIL. There are no rules and tampering has become the standard. They are killing my interest in following college athletics. I would rather go back to the Stars then suffer through this dung.
I’d distill it even further. Only the schools with the richest donor base are benefiting. This is why smu is legitimately able to include themselves in this next rung. They have no fan support, and I suspect that they never will. But they are rich. Obscenely rich. That’s all it takes.
If schools can’t come together to create some kind of level playing field, then it’s not really sport anymore. I see no reason to support this current version of college athletics if all it boils down to is who has the most obscenely rich donor to bankroll player salaries.
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3 minutes ago, GMoney said:
"Not playing the same sport"... Ok, I think he's overdoing it bit! Let's not use the team that has been in the National Championship hunt for the past 10 years as the measuring stick. The better question is your "run of the mill" G5 team versus the upper level P5 teams.
Exactly. This coming from Dykes, while he's probably actively recruiting our (G5) rosters. Anyone confused about his intentions need not be. He benefits from there being a perceived, or real split. Screw that guy.
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4 hours ago, meangreenbob said:You know it’s not just the Portal and NIL. I have never seen the traffic on gmg so anemic and I’ve been coming here since the 1990’s.
Now, not to say the Portal and NIL haven’t had a huge negative impact but when you add the turmoil and uncertainty with what’s happening in our nation and around the world it’s forcing many to adjust their priorities.
With that being said, maybe, just maybe people will turn out in masses on Saturdays if for no other reason than to just seek some kind of normalcy, an attempt to try and convince oneself that all is ok, nothing’s changed…..see the band is playing, the fans are cheering as the players take the field. Go Mean Green
Wrong. It is exactly the portal and NIL. I am losing interest every time I read an article talking about who won in the transfer portal. It's all the same schools just stealing the best performing players from another school. Out bidding each other. Illegally tampering. If this goes unchecked for any longer, I'm out. It's not fun to watch this crap happen.
I said people were going to have to get used to just cheering for the shirt, and I've tried. It's just that you can't get away from it. Everything you read about college sports in the offseason is about who is stealing the best players for next year now. That, to me, sucks.
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13 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:
I don't see the eventual SEC/BIG10 vs the world thing working out long-term. Sure, USC-Michigan may be fun once in a while but there's no history to support the matchup. There's no regional rivalry. Those college kids aren't a 2 hour drive away to terrorize each other. Eventually, they're going to alienate half the college football fanbase because some of us may watch these games on Saturdays right now because it's football and it's a new match-up but they mean nothing to us long-term either so we won't keep watching them. I don't care to watch an SEC or BIG10 game if it means nothing to the greater landscape of college football. These are not the games football fans want, it's the games networks want. It will fail.
An Oregon State fan will never be an Oregon fan. A Texas Tech fan will never be a Texas fan. A Florida State fan will never be a Florida fan. The markets are what they are. They won't change. Not anytime soon at least. Good luck, networks. This is why y'all keep cutting your staff and losing money (especially you, ESPN).
This is EXACTLY right. I only watch those other school's games BECAUSE we're all in the same division and are technically our competition. The minute that they are not, I ain't watching. I know I'm not alone. Bye bye tv ratings and advertising dollars.
The NIL/transfer portal left unchecked is the problem right now. Start signing kids to contracts. Top recruits may only be willing to sign on for a year, but try to sign them to 2-3-4 year deals. That's the only way you're going to be able to retain talent, not burn out the coaches, and get fans to continue caring.
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You guys are all delusional. I have a hard time believing that the cut-off will be 30ish teams. Its obvious that's where it is in reality, and dollars (revenue, budgets, etc). But too many of these schools have enough delusional donors who are willing to keep throwing money at it. Why does NIL make that change? I think most of you don't actually talk to any of these big money guys. They aren't jumping out....they are jumping in. And always have. Now it's legal to pay players to win...so anyone with a conscious before when it was illegal doesn't have that hanging over them now. See SMU, Baylor, etc.
We're all a bunch of poor schmo's here. Look at the scroll that runs across this very site. That ain't big money scrolling through here. True some of the big donors post on here, but not the Ryans or the 4 billionaire types that fund dirty schmoo.
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3 hours ago, NT80 said:
Player$ have taken college sports away from being about the schools to being about themselve$.
I think that’s too simple a view. If money is being made, then the players deserve a part in that. I have no issue with that. What I have issue with is that because there is so much money to be made now, too many bad apples have spoiled it due to inaction or inability of the collective to come together to create rules to keep the games fair. Now we have a system where everyone (players, coaches, administrations) is in it for themselves because that has become the game. It’s no longer about staying together and building a team. It’s about making as much money as you possibly can while you can.
There is no sport in that.
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6 hours ago, meangreenbob said:
Fanbase? What fanbase? Even the hardcore followers on gmg are walking away. Very little interest or traffic anymore. Covid, the portal, NIL and the economy have all taken a hit on what little fan base we had.
Ignoring, or excluding your most ardent supporters during Spring Practice was a pretty shallow decision as well.
I guess when we start the season 6-0 the fans will magically start to show up at Datcu.Good job killing the fun with inaction, Presidents, ADs, everyone involved. Once sport becomes only about the money, it’s jumped the shark and time to reboot.
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15 hours ago, NT80 said:
We joke, but I believe we need our Phil Knight or Powerball donor in this new era of buy-a-player. It sucks until the programs agree on a salary cap and player contracts.
Contracts will bind the players to a program for a set period, otherwise it's just always an open market. If it only comes down to most money wins, then all games and championships are basically meaningless.
It already does and has been that way for a long time. I suppose you could say that the 10 or so programs who have all been buying players at an elite spending level have the differences settled by coaching and other factors, but I'd argue that the SEC and Bama have long been spending more on players under the table than anyone not named Texas. Texas gets nothing for all the money they put in and maybe throw you off the scent of what's been going on?
In the 10 years that the CFP has been held, there have been 15 unique teams participate. Here's the complete list:
BIG (9): Michigan (3), Michigan St (1), Ohio St (5)
SEC (12): Alabama (8), Georgia (3), LSU (1)
Big12 (7): Oklahoma (4), TCU (1), Texas (1), Cincy (1)
ACC (7): Clemson (6), Florida St (1)
Pac12 (3): Oregon (1), Washington (2)
Indep (2): Notre Dame (2)
Just look at the schools who have participated 3 or more times in a 10 year window. Heard anything about how those schools recruit?
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On 4/1/2024 at 2:42 PM, peanuts104 said:
https://writeforcalifornia.com/p/cal-spring-practice-offensive-questions-2024
Update on Cal QB battle. Call it off topic, I don't give a shit. This guy left us and a sure QB1 position to fight for the starting job at a barely P5 school. I hope he rides that GD bench all year and doesn't see a dime from the money they said he was getting.
I don't like the transfer portal combined with openly paying players with no limits, hate it, in-fact....but this is an odd take to me. The guy left a starting job in the Sun Belt to come to UNT. Why would he do that then? Same reason he left UNT for Cal. He already showed his hand, so nobody here should be surprised that this is his behavior.
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58 minutes ago, Wag Tag said:
The money commit by SMU is greater than a lot of the P5’s. There will be no turning back on
They draw flies. BBall they could actually be a serious force b/c they won't ever have vast swaths of empty seats or have their entire stadium sold to the opposing fans. But they are never going to get back to the truly big-time b/c football will always hold them back. It, also, remains to be seen how much they would be willing to fund their program should the ACC fall apart and they found themselves back with the G5s. They fell off almost immediately after Larry Brown left.
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2 hours ago, aprice said:
He gave us his all for 3 years, he doesn't owe anyone anything other than to do what's right for him. I can't think of any player in a UNT uniform that put as much effort on the floor as this man did.
This should be a thread celebrating his achievements and nothing else.
Its the head coach's job to backfill with talented players that aren't seeing playing time at p6 programs or with high producing players at lower tier programs. That's how this works, get used to and quit crying about it. If the coach cant do it that's on him and him alone. Adapt or die
To the first 2 paragraphs...Kim Mulkey would call him a quitter and never speak to him again. 🙂
Now...as to the last part. Not every coach is in this game to just win games. Many/most of them are in it to develop people and build relationships. This current reality is going to run some of the best off and attract a different kind of person and coach.
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On 3/27/2024 at 7:44 PM, DentonStang said:
Looks like coach Andy Enfield is moving up from USC to take the head coaching job at SMU.
This is Enfield's third stop as a HC, first at FGCU in the Atlantic Sun (FCS level) and then USC in the failed PAC conference (G6).
Thus SMU is his first stop at a P3 level conference, and it'll take all his skill and NIL to compete in the ACC, which currently has four teams in the sweet 16.
Enfield has BIG SHOES TO FILL following Lanier's vaunted 20 win season and almost winning a game in the AAC tourney.
I'm excited, but it's always scary to gamble on an up-and-comer.
I hate smu, but I have to hand it to you. This is first rate trolling. He stays at usc and he’s Big10…and in this mythical “big 3” without changing jobs.
Reality is that he’s avoiding a hot seat or firing and landing in a spot that likely isn’t as tough within a few years.
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CougarQueen is understandably butt hurt after that loss. Tough way to go out. They don’t call it March Madness for nothing…injuries happen, and it takes some luck to win the whole thing.
Still don’t have to come on our board and act like an @ss.
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It's amusing that these smu trolls are as thrilled as they are over this hire. He was at USC for ELEVEN years. FGCU was a long time ago. He recruits at a high enough level that they may be able to get out of the cellar of the ACC, but he looks a lot like a Will Wade type guy to me. Expect trouble and underachievement when up against the really big boys. Good luck....NOT.
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I definitely appreciated his talent and seeming ability to help keep us from the 5-7 minute scoring droughts we used to see from our teams. I attribute a lot of that to improvement to him.
But, as others have said, either we were going to have to change our style or he was going to have to take a different role. I'd prefer to not have lost him, but he's one where it was a bit of a square peg round hole and I wish him well in his next spot.
I would add, I assume that his minutes in the NIT reveal that our coaching staff would not have wanted to lose him, either.
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First time I can remember us getting just flat out embarrassed in 5 years.
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On a scale of 1 to 10...
in Mean Green Football
Posted · Edited by TIgreen01
For UNT I’m probably around a 3 or 4. For all of the rest of CFB (daughter goes to a P5 and wife is a big supporter of Baylor) I’m at a 0. I’m not buying tickets to or watching a game involving A5 teams after they screwed everyone and everything. The settlement they forced upon us to cover for their cheating was the last straw.
I badly want a way to stick it to the A5 schools while helping UNT as much as I can.