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I was in Buc-ee's at 6:30 this morning and saw an individual with a UNT football shirt on. I asked: is coach staying? There was no response.

I'm trying to help this thread reach 100+ pages. You should also know the individual looked half-asleep.

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15 minutes ago, OUKidder said:

Nice try, but nobody wins every game, and no team is great every single year. OU has a reputation for being a blue blood program, but the Sooners were lousy in the early to mid 1990s. P5 teams sometimes lose games they shouldn't. Remember when Appalachian State went into the Big House and beat Michigan in 2007? You cite the 2010 NT game, but K-State still won it. In 2003, K-State lost to Marshall at home, but later that year won the Big 12 championship, 35-7, over what was then being called "The Greatest College Football Team of All Time," the OU Sooners. K-State's body of work over the past 30 years is damn impressive.

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You should email Coach Riley and encourage him to apply for their opening! And then Coach SL could take the opening at OU, his dream job. Now if I could only solve the recently created UNT opening. 

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48 minutes ago, BlackCats said:

You missed the part where no one at that level seems to want to follow Snyder. Additionally, you must not have seen the post about how much tv money we’ve socked away. 

Were 45th in budget because we only offer the minimum amount of sports required. The fact we’re not 95th in budget should tip you off...because there are that many more schools that offer more sports than we do and need more money than we do to operate. We are top five since 2012 in annual surplus. We have Scrooge McDuck TV money, sorry you’re in CUSA, but life isn’t fair. 

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Why is it that no one at that level seems to want to follow Coach Snyder?

Could it really be no one at that level thinks the K-State job is all that attractive? 

A combination of both?

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1 minute ago, Vikingcat said:

Why should we hire a legend? Our last legend wasn't a legend until several years after we hired him. Actually the first win on the last second play against North Texas gets replayed about 100 times a year on videos about Snyder. That one ranks right up there.  

Why would you not want to hire a legend (top tier coach) who has proven experience at the P5 level instead of a coach with some success after a couple of years as a G5 head coach?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Vikingcat said:

In 27 years Snyder won 9 or more games 14 years, and had 6 top 10 finishes, 2 big 12 titles, 4 north division champions, 19 bowl games. As far as Texas Snyder is 7-5 despite losing his last two, last year at Austin in OT when are starting QB went down in the first half and this 19-14. Counting Prince we've are 9-5 in our last 14 against Texas.  He's 8-16 vs OU and has beaten them in Norman in 2012 and 2014 and lost to them last year in Manhattan in OT. We've been ranked number 1 in the nation several weeks and had college game day in Manhattan 2-3 times.

 

You make it sound like we've been 7-5 and never beaten anyone. we beat USC twice, one season when they finished #4 in the country. Texas when they were #4 in the nation , UCLA twice, Michigan, Tennessee when they were ranked. Had several 11 win seasons. I don't think we are who you think we are, and I don't think if you'd tell Seth he couldn't do the same he'd believe you.

As I have stated in a previous post, I think K-State should hire a LEGEND (top tier coach) to follow the LEGEND Coach Snyder. WHY is that not happening?

K-State also beat UNT 49-41 on Nov. 27, 2010 in Denton, TX. And, it was impressive since K-State battled back from a 20-7 deficit for the victory. That victory has to rank up right there with those accomplishments you mentioned in your post, right?.

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1 hour ago, BlackCats said:

If he can’t get KState back into the top 4/5 of the B12 (where we have been since the B12 was formed) then he will never coach at OU. 

If he does get us back there, he will coach wherever he wants.

If he leaves we will spent a lot of money to replace him with a guy who thinks they can take us beyond.

If SL takes us beyond that, we can make him a top 10 paid coach and get his assistants to top ten paid coordinators. 

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Counterpoint: if he CAN get KState back into the top 4/5 of the B12 (where we have been since the B12 was formed) then he will still NEVER coach at OU. Those affiliated with OU will expect more from their next head coach and they have the resources to go out and make that happen.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Cat15 said:

It's not really about what the fans believe though, is it? The real question (if SL is bound for K-State) is does Seth Littrell believe he can make K-State into a powerhouse football team, win against other high-level quality teams in the conference, and out recruit Texas/Oklahoma?

 

IF Coach SL believes that, then I admire his confidence and self-belief.

With that said, you had a legend in Coach Snyder, but have you ever been considered a powerhouse football program, won against other high-level teams in the conference, and out recruited Texas/Oklahoma?

IF the end game (dream) is to get to OU, then I do not see how accepting a position at K-State is a strategic decision for Coach SL. I honestly believe that. I also wish K-State the best in your football search.

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2 hours ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

They might be able to hire an older, more seasoned coach, but Seth is one of the hottest names in the country. On paper, its a great hire for them. He turned a perennial loser into one of the best in CUSA. KSU fans are right to think that they have a coach that can bring them into the modern era of college football. Who are these better candidates you're mentioning? 

And what are the better options for Seth? KSU has won a lot of games in the Big 12 the past 15 years, it's close to home and has a environment that SL will feel comfortable. IMO, it might be the perfect place for Seth to coach while he waits for the OU job to open up.

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Who are these better candidates you're mentioning?

I'm not sure why it matters but I will play along. This is one example (of many). IF I'm the AD at K-State, I make a phone call to Coach Bob Stoops. Hey Bob, I know you miss coaching, I read the advice you gave Coach Meyer about retirement. It has to be hard not spending time around your own staff, your own players, etc. What do you think about $5.5 M to move up here and take over our football program? We want a LEGEND to replace a LEGEND. Not interested, ok. How about $6.5 M? Still not interested? You sure? How about $7.5 M? Bob, before you answer, is it ok if I talk to your wife, Carol, and ask if she would like to have an additional $7.5 M yearly to spend? Bob, you think you might be interested in $7.5 M EACH year for four years?  Bob, you have a net worth of ~$18 M (assuming the internet is correct). In four years, just think what your net worth would be. You will have established a financial legacy for your family, your children, your grandchildren. . . Bob, that's $30 M guaranteed! Bob, you there?

And what are the better options for Seth?

Based on current college openings right now, stay at UNT...build a dynasty (build a monster)...win more games...win conference championships...win bowl games. When there is a P5 position opening that Coach SL can (not wish or hope) be successful then take that position. Do you really believe Coach SL can make K-State into a powerhouse football team and win against other high-level quality teams in that conference? Do you really think a top recruit is going to pick K-State over Texas and Oklahoma when they have options? I don't think it matters who K-State hires. K-State will be K-State. If I am wrong, I'm wrong.

As I have stated repeatedly, I hope Coach SL gets his dream job at OU one day. I have also said that I appreciate the improvement he has made to the football team. If Coach SL decides to leave, then I hope it is for a position that will actually enable him to fulfill his dream.

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3 minutes ago, BlackCats said:

There are two answers to you question:

1. There are a handful of coaches we can afford but have flat out stated they won’t follow Snyder. 

2. We need a guy that can prove someone other than Snyder can win in Manhattan. 

We don’t need a guy to come in and start taking down Oklahoma. That would be great, but the truth is the coaches that could fit in to the first category. We need a guy that can modernize our recruiting department and go bowling every year. 

Littrell seems to be a guy that could do that for us. If he comes in and does that, bigger schools will come calling in 3-5 years and THEN we go after a guy who sees the great things Seth did at KState but believes he could take us even further. 

We’ll pay Seth $3.5-4million a year and add a few million to the assistant/recruiting pool on a five year contract. We’ll pay the next guy $6million+ to win championships. If Seth out performs and starts winning championships, we’ll pay him to keep him instead. 

Seth is a win win for us, if he can perform. 

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Honest Questions:

1. If he doesn't perform (for whatever the reason), do you believe he has hurt his chances of getting his dream job of coaching at OU?

2. Why would he take a job when you are wanting him to improve things in the short-term so then you can make a bigger splash hire later to win championships (assuming he doesn't start winning championships)?

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, TheReal_jayD said:

My thoughts today.

 

Seth is a very good coach and will be great whereever he goes. I think this is all a product of Jimmy Sexton’s doings. There needs to be some damage control ASAP. We have a bowl game in a little over a week( which he hasn't won and i feel would be high on his to do list) and signing day in 2 weeks( we currently have a top 60 in the country class and #1 in CUSA something he has came no where to doing in his tenure). We have a TON of talent returning and a TON of talent coming in. I am not asking Seth to be the next Gary Patterson. But I am asking him to Shit or get off the pot. This is not helping the team, recruits, staff, fan base or athletic department. Either commit to one more year or accept whatever job Fat Jimmy can get you an offer at( because it isn't K-State so far). North Texas is not the same North Texas it was 20 years ago. This is one of the top 10 G5 programs in the country ( with one of the best administration in the country) and would be a hot opening if it came opened and we don't have to be drug around like a side chick/ back up plan.  ACCOMPLISH THE MISSION

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Indeed!

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1 hour ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

Sounds like you've been eating a lot of sour grapes. 

I've gotten a lot of amusement the past couple days watching people on this forum trying to discredit what Seth has accomplished in his 3 years at UNT. 

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47 minutes ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

 

This is hilarious coming from you. The person on this board with the most out of whack and unrealistic expectations. 

 KSU has done more the past 20 years than UNT has done in its entire existence.If they weren't striving to be more they would have let Snyder coach until he died on the sideline. 

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#discredit

#irony

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7 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Yes.   This is what most would call "discrediting".

Please read the entire post in context instead of simply bolding specific words to fit your narrative.

Here is what you left out using your thought process:

And, most importantly, there are better options for Coach SL than K-State. I hope one day Coach SL gets his dream job of coaching at OU. I don't believe that path is by taking a job at K-State. I wish Coach SL success regardless if he decides to stay or leave. As I stated above, I appreciate the improvement he has made to the football program at UNT. 

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Seriously, your conclusion is that I'm trying to discredit Coach SL? Really? My point is that K-State can hire better than Coach SL with the resources that they have and based and on what he has accomplished at this point in time. And, most importantly, there are better options for Coach SL than K-State. I hope one day Coach SL gets his dream job of coaching at OU. I don't believe that path is by taking a job at K-State. I wish Coach SL success regardless if he decides to stay or leave. As I stated above, I appreciate the improvement he has made to the football program at UNT.

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I appreciate the improvement Coach SL has made to the football program at UNT. The program is better now than when he started.

 

Coach SL is a good, young coach. With all the money that K-State has because of their affiliation in the Big XII, why aren't they trying to hire a GREAT coach, one with a solid winning record, one who has won conference championships, and one who has won bowl games? The truth may be that they simply cannot attract a great coach.

 

SL is good, not great. There are a large number of issues that cannot be ignored: 1. the implosion of the team after halftime with double-digit leads in a few games, 2. the perceived inability to make adjustments at halftime, 3. the team's level of play (i.e., "playing down to") against inferior opponents, 4. erratic or inconsistent play-calling at times by the Offensive Coordinator without any intervention by Coach SL, 5. allowing Mason Fine to play hurt when it is obvious to everyone that he is not even close to being 100%, 6. the refusal to allow the backups (e.g., quarterback) to play when games are out-of-reach. Please go back and read almost any football game thread and review the comments posters have made about this coaching staff and you see the same consistent comments. 

 

To me, if K-State eventually hires Coach SL, then they have settled for being good, not great. There are other great coaches out there who would do a better job with the financial resources they have available.

 

I do not understand why Coach SL would want to take the K-State position other than the money. Once you put aside the significant pay raise for the short-term, what are the advantages? There are few. In fact, the disadvantages are far more significant than any advantages: 1. why follow a legend in Coach Snyder? 2. why accept the position when it appears Coach Snyder is going to maintain a presence as an "ambassador" to the athletic program and university? 3. why accept a position when Coach Snyder's son may likely remain on the staff and his promotion to head coach has been advocated for by Coach Snyder? 4. Do you honestly believe K-State is going to beat Texas and Oklahoma year after year after year (Coach SL is no Coach Herman or Coach Riley at this point) and have they ever had long-term success against Texas and Oklahoma under Coach Snyder (almost any season you are basically starting with two L's on the schedule)?

 

Summation: If your dream job is to one day be the coach at OU, then the path to Norman is not through Manhattan, KS.

 

This entire situation is just bizarre to me. I do not understand what K-State is trying to accomplish with the potential hiring of Coach SL nor do I understand the decision-making process by Coach SL if he accepted the position. For both, this is a path to nowhere, in my humble opinion.