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Miami is where I think Leach may land. They have the balls to take him on.....plus he's living in the Keys.
Yeah, but Jim Leavitt is living in Tampa and the Miami AD, Kirby Hocutt played for Leavitt at Kansas State.
Interesting, huh?
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Super! Duper! Just played it here at the Hudson Oaks McDonalds so all could hear!
And a good movie to watch during the holidays is The Next 3 Days with Russell Crowe and the very hot Elizabeth Banks who plays his wife. Brian Dennehy (Silverado) played Crowe's dad and man has that guy ever aged; of course, haven't we all?
Saw this movie last night instead of watching the Horns/Ags game. I give it 3.5 stars out of 5 which in my grading system means most would enjoy this movie.
GMG!
You work at Mickey D's?
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Awesome....way to go, Eric.
That guy is going to get in trouble with the Homeowners Association. He probably lives in Jonesboro, Arkansas and his neighbors hate him.
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How do you know that we haven't already asked one, two, or all three of them? We are using Neinas - and by using Neinas, we can ask these questions through him - without having to release it to the newspapers or fanboys on the internet. That way if one, two, or all three of them turn us down - we can offer ole Chico the job and tell him (and the world) that he was the Number 1 choice from Day 1. Everyone feels good and nobody gets their feelings hurt. You notice that RV has not commented on this coaching search at all? That is by design. Believe it or not, they know what they are doing without the advice of internet posters
I think that they have learned from past mistakes (or Lane has taught them a thing or two)!Then what are they waiting for? Go back and listen to RV's podcast. He said he wanted a coach and coaching staff in place by the end of the season with the exception of maybe a couple of assistance that still have bowl games. The end of the season is in 6 days.
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To answer your question...any time UNT is in the market for a new head football coach, that's when. There will always...ALWAYS...be several good choices on the market anytime the need might arise. The better question might be, "when will UNT have the chance again to hire a great coach as their HC who is already on the staff and working hard to improve the program both on and off the field?"
I simply disagree. UNT cannot afford $2,000,000.00 a year caliber coaches nor would they normally consider UNT.
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I notice when anyone cites facts, MizzuTigers calls them "ignorant," "close minded" or my case "a lier." I understand Leavitt is your buddy and you will write anything at all to campaign for him, calling people names will only make your case harder to win.
First of all, they ain't facts. Second of all, who did I call a liar?
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It is better to have no history than tainted history.
So if you were the K-Mart or Home Depot CEO you wouldn't hire Martha Stewart?
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And, he doesn't have the baggage attached to slow him down when he starts that a few other potential coaches have.
Which is more important for UNT's current situation, perceived baggage or proven head coaching experience?
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I very much agree with this assessment.....except for the Leavitt part.
In the coaching show last week Canales mentioned that there were several very good players on the ULM team that were from the D/FW area. He indicated that in the future, if he is head coach, he wants to make sure that those guys come to North Texas.
Who doesn't know that? The question is can Canales deliver?
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I don't think UNT is ever going to find any better coaches than Mike Leach, Dennis Franchione and Jim Leavitt. I'm pretty confident Mike Leach is not interested in the job and I don't know if Franchione is, but it is known Leavitt is definitely interested.
Should Leavitt be given the benefit of the doubt balanced against what he could do for the program in the next 4 years?
Even if RV has a problem with the allegations against Leavitt, why are they not offering the job to Fran?
Why waste time looking any further?
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Since you're so determined to defend Leavitt, how about answering these questions based on my read of the USF investigative report. I'd like to get the take of somebody who had law school students as roommates during the '70s.
1. Why did two USF players say they saw Leavitt grab Joel Miller by the throat with one hand and slap or strike him with the other?
Two disgruntled players vs several other players, a Florida State Trooper (now an FBI Agent), the strength coach, a player's father/volunteer coach. What about all those folks?
2. Why did one of those two players call Leavitt's actions an assault and the other say that Miller said to him afterwards, "Did you see that shit? Did you see what he did to me?"
Those same two disgruntled players that were 50 feet away?
3. Why did two other USF players (who were not eyewitnesses) say they were told by Miller that Leavitt grabbed his throat and slapped him?
You sure are hung up on only two players who weren't even alleged victims. What about the State Trooper? Hmmm?
4. Why did several players say that Miller told them he was warned afterwards by Leavitt to be careful because he was the "most powerful person in the building"?
Huh?? Link?
5. Why did Miller's former high school coach say he was told by Miller that the incident occurred exactly as it was reported by AOL FanHouse, which wrote that Leavitt "grabbed a player by the throat and struck him twice in the face during halftime"?
Link?
And finally ...
6. If Leavitt did nothing wrong and he's being smeared, why would such a large number of people lie to USF investigators?
Are you or are you related to Doug Woolard?
Which large number? Do you mean all the ones that say it didn't happen or didn't happen as alleged by two disgruntled players that were 50 feet across the room? You really need to do some Googling and get the facts straight rather than continue to just make shit up.
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That's 10 percent of the full contract, according to Mizzou's link. If he's fired with cause, he's only eligible to receive 10 percent of the deal.
That's not what I said. $3 million over the four years he's still covered by the USF contract ($750,000 a year).
Where do you get all this misinformation? 10%??? What are you talking about?
He still has 5 years on his contract of $1.8 million per year. I tried to simplify the math for you as much as I could and you just don't get it.
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And why do you think he is suing?
Where did you get $375,000 from anyway? He was contracted to earn $850,000 in 2009, $900,000 in 2010. 75% of that is $635,000 and $675,000, respectively. Had he not been fired, he would have earned a minimum of $5.85 million, without incentives, for the term of his contract through 2014. So 75% of that is $4,378,000 - that's, basically, the amount for which he's suing. I don't know who you think is going to offer him $3 million a year...with or without the USF lawsuit. In fact, I don't know that he'd command that much if this whole incident had never occurred.
As a proponent of hiring Jim Leavitt for HC at North Texas, I hope he does win his lawsuit because I think we'd be able to afford him and let USF make up the difference between 75% of what they were paying him and what we'd be able to pay him.
His full salary/compensation was $1.8 million per year. The $66,666 per month was just his base salary from USF.
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Figured I might as well throw in my 0.02 on this one. I've got an inkling of how this will turn out, but I'll leave that for Cerebus to guess at;) But, just some general thoughts, as it appears most people have kind of made up their minds on this one.
1) If his attorneys are taking this case on contingency, I would point out that most attorneys do not take cases on contingency unless they feel like they have a pretty good chance of being successful. Basically, because if they're not successful, they will have wasted (at this point eight months+ of their time pursuing this case) a lot of time and expense for no return. The better option (if this case were "weak") would be to pursue "paying" cases during that entire time period and not pursue this case.
2) Additionally, all this banter about guilt/innocence/"official reports"/etc seems meaningless to me. An official report from one party, including USF here, is about as compelling to me as Leavitt's own "official report." Neither deserves any more credence than the other imho. The truth is we really don't know what happened, who is more "credible" or "believable" and why Leavitt is currently out of a job. A jury trial doesn't "prove" or "disprove" what occurred; all it will find is whether USF "breached" their contract with Leavitt. USF could be fully correct about their version of the events, but still have "breached" their contract.
3) A lot of times, with employment related cases, it's not about what's "reasonable" or acting "practically"; the parties are "emotional" about the fact that they are "right" or that they were "screwed" somehow. Both sides may honestly feel they are in the right and that's what makes these types of cases tougher. After all, who wants to "settle" knowing that you're giving up something you never should have lost out on to begin with? That's why other types of cases that include say, an insurance company, are resolved so much more easily. In that case, the insurance company isn't looking at a case emotionally; it's just dollars and cents to them and what's the best "business" decision.
4) As far as him having baggage by being involved in this lawsuit, I have mixed thoughts. Yes, I agree it is baggage, but I also don't think someone should be penalized for pursuing their rights or trying to vindicate themselves if they feel they have been wronged. It's the just get on with your life path vs. the I want to be vindicated/I don't want these guys to ever screw someone else over like this and they need to be taught a lesson path.
5) Regardless, I doubt this case will ever go to trial; it will be settled, probably with a confidentiality/non-disclosure clause and somebody will be driving around in either a Lexus or an Aston Martin (and that will tell me how it finally ended up).
Cheers.
Don't be so sure it won't go to court. Doug Woolard is now trying to CYA with Florida Taxpayer money. He had his chance to settle, but refused.
Not only is Wil Florin taking Leavitt's case on a contingency, but he is taking it at half the usual percentage.
Leavitt's contract calls for a pre-termination hearing which USF denied him claiming it was an emergency situation because January 8th was getting close to signing day.
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Only if you believe there's a chance he will prove he was fired without cause.
Even then, the money he is owed is minus anything he earns in another football job through 2014. So let's figure on Leavitt getting a head coaching job for $750,000 a year, which is the low end of what he could command based on his success at USF. That's $3 million.
What would you rather have as Jim Leavitt -- a small chance at $7 million from a protracted lawsuit fight that keeps you out of work through 2014, or a $3 million contract from another school and a chance to put the USF mess in the rear view mirror?
Let me see if I can help you with simple math...
1,800,000.00 - $750,000.00 = $1,050,000.00 X 5 years = $5,250,000.00.
And in the process of winning this lawsuit it proves Doug Woolard had an agenda and smeared Leavitt to get out of paying his contract.
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Winning WILL generate good publicity eventually. The next coach can't win a game till September, 2011. RV will be answering questions about hiring a coach that until a court rules otherwise was fired for covering up an investigation into mistreating a player.
There was no investigation, so there was no cover up of something that never happened. Why do you insist on repeating the lie?
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Me calling Leavitt an idiot for not settling is different than you repeatedly calling me an idiot. Leavitt's not here. You and I are, and your repeated attempts to make this personal have been reported to the moderators. Grow up.
As for my numbers being fictional, I said the issue was $375,000 vs. $66,000 for a with-cause firing and you backed me up with your own link.
It's pointless to open a closed mind.
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With regard to North Texas, the question is how much weight do we place on the bad publicity hiring Leavitt will generate. To assert there is NO bad publicity is ridiculous.
How could it be worse than the bad publicity UNT has generated for the last umpteen years? Winning will generate good publicity. You do want to win, don't you? You do want your program to be respected and not the butt of jokes, don't you?
Hiring Leavitt will generate a few headlines and then be forgotten in a few weeks. What will be remembered will be his domination of the Sun Belt Conference.
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You should learn some manners. It's possible to disagree with someone without constantly calling them ignorant, stupid, and so on. I'm surprised the moderators are letting you get away with it. Go be childish on Mizzou boards.
You quoted the most important part of those stories: "Even if it is determined he was fired 'with cause,' his contract says that he is due $375,000, not the $66,000 USF gave him the day he was fired, the suit says."
Leavitt's attorneys can assert in a lawsuit that he's lost $9.5 million, but his own suit acknowledges that a with-cause firing would only net him $375,000. I think there's almost no chance a court will find that there was no cause to fire Leavitt.
He's got an incredibly weak hand here and the most he can hope to make is $311,000 minus attorney costs. If he had not pursued the suit, he'd be a front-runner for the UNT job and other jobs as well.
Dude...I was responding in kind to your lack of manners and civil discourse. You went into a Roseanne Rosannadana rant with the fictional numbers mixed with a big dose of ignorance and then declared Leavitt an idiot.
You are simply wrong, have no idea what you are talking about and don't understand the very basis of a lawsuit. USF trumped up some allegations, kicked Leavitt to the curb and then declared he was fired for cause. Leavitt filed a lawsuit for breach of contract disputing the "cause" AND he has a very strong case. Your declarations are not just based upon ignorance, they are based upon willful ignorance.
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Where is the misinformation? I'm in Florida and I clearly have read more about this than you have.
I own a condo in Broward County, so guess what?
You simply have no clue what you're talking about and I believe it is you that should use Google and educate yourself and stop making a fool of yourself.
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That's not how these contracts work. You don't get paid the full amount of your contract when you are fired with cause.
The numbers I got were from media coverage of the Leavitt mess here in Florida. His lawyers are not claiming he's owed $7.1 million dollars.
Google is your friend. Try it sometime.
You just can't fix stupid...
Fired South Florida football coach Jim Leavitt filed suit against his former school Monday and is seeking to recoup the more than $7 million left on his contract.
It says Leavitt's firing will cost him $9.5 million, the value of his contract through 2014. Even if it is determined he was fired "with cause," his contract says that he is due $375,000, not the $66,000 USF gave him the day he was fired, the suit says.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/mar/15/151954/leavitt-files-lawsuit-against-usf-foundation/
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so is the school.its not worth the bad press and hard feelings with alumni. take the high road, pay him the $311,000, and thank him for having built the program from nothing to where it is today.this appears to be a no win situation[from the outside looking in.]
It's complete misinformation like this rcade is putting out that keep people from knowing about the railroad cluster**** Doug Woolard has created at USF.
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Even Leavitt's attorneys are not claiming he's owed millions. The school maintains that he's due one-twelth of his yearly contract ($66,000) after being fired with cause. Leavitt's attorneys say he's due one-twelth of the entire contract ($375,000).
So he's prolonging the damage to his employability for $311,000 minus whatever he's paying his attorneys.
He's an idiot for not settling.
Cerebus has asked us to be civil so I won't call you the ignernt idiot you are.
It takes two to come to a settlement and USF has absolutely refused to settle. They have even refused to pay him the one month severence called for in his contract if he is fired for cause.
His unfulfilled contract does in fact come to $7.1 million dollars. I don't know where you came up with your figures, but they have absolutely no basis whatsoever in reality.
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Anonymity!
The Internet brings this gift,
but don't be a jerk
Anonymity causes people to be Sybil.
Will Muschamp
in Mean Green Football
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Mack should hire Jim Leavitt!
Just wanted to make sure you folks weren't missing me.