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I was planning on going to another University and decided to come along with a friend who was going to take a look at UTA. First we went by UTA, and with all due respect it was not even something I would consider.
No offense taken.
Besides, we have the exact opposite stories.
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I totally agree with you, Chris, about what you said about regional rivalries. I'd like to see our volleyball teams and women's b-ball meet every season, too. For some reason, that hasn't happened. (With the recent exception of women's b-ball a couple of seasons ago.) Actually, it seems kinda weird that we are not scheduling each other in these sports.
I also agree that you are the favorites at this point in time for Wednesdays game. We have a brand new coach, no seniors, a bunch of freshman, etc. And, you guys notched an impressive win away at UNC Charlotte. BUT, if historical experience is any guide, ANYTHING can happen in these UT Arlington - University of NT games.
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He's made himself look like the south end of a horse going north.
I can guarantee, nobody except the lunatic fringe will take him seriously anymore. He has completely marginalized himself.
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It is funny to me, when a coach is released, how often the complaint comes up that "the timing" was bad. I've heard that over and over: "the timing was bad."
From the people who make this complaint, I've never heard much about when the timing would have been better. No, for the people who say this, "the timing" is always bad.
BTW, the timing of Dickey's removal was just about as good as it could get. Once the decision was reached, there was no reason to sit on it until the end of the season. Now, at least, the big question mark is removed, Dickey can say good-bye to his team, and the AD can openly look for a coach right now.
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Generally speaking, I have noticed that big time donors really open their pocketbooks for medical projects, which I believe this is.
For instance, I am in awe of what UT Southwestern Medical School (in Dallas) gets in gifts. Huge amounts of money every year. Millions and millions.
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Among important measures, don't omit one of the most critical: cost to the university; that is, how much the university pumps into the program every year that is above and beyond what the department generates (from gifts, ticket sales, concessions, guarantees received from opponents, TV money) and above and beyond student athletic fees. In other words, I think you can breakdown the costs into 3 big buckets 1) athletic dept-generated, 2) student fees, and 3) university contributions.
University contributions must come from sources such as tuition and/or auxiliary enterprise income (such as bookstore profits and student housing profits).
Each of those 3 sources is highly important to funding the program, but undertanding #3 is key and is often highly sensitive. (It is often quite large.) In fact, it may not be all that easy to get, because the people who know usually don't like to publish or talk about it. (Gets faculty upset, etc.)
Upper-level administrators are the ones who understand how big #3 really is. And, if you are doing a research paper, understanding what it is, where it comes from, and the trends year-over-year sheds a lot of light, I believe, on understanding their views and subsequent behaviors towards a program.
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Both SMU and UNT and TCU should be winning their conferences hands-down with the amount of resources at their backdoor.
At least with regard to TCU, I beg to differ. It is not so hands-down in the Mountain West. If you ever get to Utah, you need to check-out the facilities, crowds, and support received by BYU. I could probably say the same about the University of Utah.
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Either fund for 1-A or pull the plug, but at least then fund BB and don't do the UTA double cross of dropping FB and continuing as usual with that farce of a BB facility equivalent to drama on a stage BB.
I hear ya completely on the bb facility. Not to hijack this discussion, but I would merely point out that, at a minimum, it wasn't a complete farce. One consequence of having the football program, in our case, was that our other sports were starved and underfunded. I'm talking basic essentials such as not being able to offer the full NCAA allowable limit of scholarships in all sports. You don't have a chance if you can't offer a full compliment of scholarships. Post-football, we were able to significantly increase spending on all other sports, including offering the maximum number of allowable scholarships in all sports, increase coaches' salaries, and add some assistants. With the rare exception, we were losers in our "minor" sports. Now, we are quite competitive in all of our sports (granted, with men's basketball being the weakest link and exception to the greater successes of our other teams). Our teams routinely win championships, beat big names, and make NCAA tournament appearances. I'm not equating any of this with the splash that successful football and men's basketball teams make, but, even so, it is nice to produce winners. We didn't do that before.
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DIE THREAD! DIE!
Yeah, just let it die. I thought this was a NT board.
Everybody is welcome to come over and discuss any and all on our board. If you want to discuss f-ball, trust me, you will get a variety of thoughts. If you want to see all the new on-campus housing, I recommend a nice walk through the well landscaped campus. It's pretty impressive what has happend over a relatively short amount of time. If you want to learn more about UT Arlington in general, check-out:
uta.edu (official site)
utamaverick.com (unofficial site)
utamavericks.com (unaffiliated sports and other board)
The UT System site also provides supplemental information for items such as the recently announced nano-technology initiative we are in with Austin and Dallas, new degree programs, opening of the UT Arlington Fort Worth Higher Education Center in downtown, the new executive MBA program, and the massive system science & engineering initiative which is translating into a new $110 million research building on our campus.
Oh, King, thanks for the photos. Look real good.
The End.
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UTA has nobody to blame other than themselves for the stigma. UTA participates in a program with UT-Austin in which students that don't make the cut to get in UT get diverted and start at UTA instead. If they have a sufficient GPA after several semesters they are automatically accepted to transfer to Austin.
That is one huge reason that nobody makes an emotional attachment to the school. It's treated as a stepping stone that few want to get stuck on.
There's a huge contrast between UTA and North Texas. UTA has prospered feeding off the scraps flowing down through the overfunded UT system.
North Texas has had to fight to attain everything it has as a Flagship school in it's own university system.
It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
UTA lives on it's knees.
*UTA's few loyal fans despise North Texas because they are very well aware of these facts.
If you don't believe me, try to find anything about North Texas that is not derogatory on this web site.
Adler, you are funny, and I hesitate to even reply. However, as there seems to be a surprising need for posters on this board to comment on UT Arlington and that much hostility and "despising" seems to come from you, I will.
First, as a semi-regular poster on this board and a regular poster on the UT Arlington board, it should be apparent to all of you guys that I don't "despise" UNT. In fact, I have admiration for certain qualities of your school, otherwise I wouldn't even bother. It is also my opinion that the posters on our board don't despise UNT. There may be some range of opinion, but "despise" probably isn't one of them. Don't flatter yourself. In fact, there is far more UT Arlington hostility exhibited on this one string than you will probably ever be able to find on our board about UNT. References to UNT are infrequent, and you will have to do a lot of digging around on our board to find much mention. Mostly, however, I think people would like to play UNT in any common sports (a stance about which I am on record on both boards). In any case, one thing I do feel is very confident about UTA. I am extraordinarly excited about what I see happening on campus in so many ways. (I won't pull a "Marshall," and will spare you the details.) I have no worries about UNT.
Regarding that transfer program to UT Austin, it is pretty small in scope. Three hundred or so people at any given point in time at most. Limited though it is, the reason we entered into that agreement was with the objective of retaining as many of those students as possible. Sure, some are hell bent on transfering, but many others get involved, like what they are experiencing, and end-up staying. These students are very good; on average they have higher credentials than the average at either one of our universities. That is why UTA keeps that program and makes efforts to retain the these highly qualified students. It has been a benefit to UTA, otherwise it would have been canceled. (BTW, UTSA uses that program in a far more significant scale, and they are seeing the advantages. They have made inroads into the Houston market that they never would have otherwise.)
BTW, NMGreen, yours was a pretty good post.
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Personally, I think it is a little ridiculous to show up on another board with a post like that....harmless but a little juvenile.
Almost all of us could drop posts like this about our own university on the boards of others. But, I figure if I want to find-out about Marshall that I will go to a Marshall site. Good for Marshall. Maybe the guy from Marshall wants to hear about the $110 million engineering building we will soon build.
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I've read a study about the U.S. News' rankings, and one take away that I remember was that their chosen metrics are skewed to benefit smaller, liberal arts-type colleges. Big State U's, even UT Austin, are "hurt."
For instance, I know TCU is very decent place (mostly undergraduate!), but when I look at their placement that drives home the point...that is, small, heavy liberal arts orientation schools benefit.
I'd rather be ranked higher than lower (for the publicity), but take it for what it is worth (which to me is with a grain of salt).
I wonder if they cost-adjust the salaries of profs in California. Just to be even, California profs would have to make a heck of a lot more money than DFW profs.
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I started at UTA in 1976 and a new arena was an issue and need back then; it was slated for the South 40 parking lot then too. As mentioned, greater needs for academic buildings and budget cuts always got in the way, then the downsizing of Athletics later killed any momentum for an arena. "The Stage" is an interesting place to watch a basketball game, but I agree dangerous and embarrassing. Any moment you expect a musical or theater act to break out.
Yes, the often-used phrase in sports, "it ain't over 'till the fat lady sings," takes-on an added significance in Texas Hall.
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Drex, we don't know when it will appear. All I can say definitively is that our president has made it a priority. I personally hope we have something more concrete to announce by the end of the year.
Yes, just like your stadium, the state isn't providing this amenity, which makes it a heck of a challenge.
The students HAVE approved a fee to support its operation once it is up. That is a key piece, as operations (salaries, utilities, etc.) are significant for structures such as this.
By way of background, we had a beautiful 10,000 seat arena approved by the regents in the same era that your Super Pit was constructed (shortly after). However, the source of funding (ad valorem tax) was declared unconstitutional before the contract was let out to the building contractor. It was several years before a new source of building funds was provided, and, after that, successive administrations put new academic buildings ahead of the arena in terms of priorities. (For years and years we were in "catch-up" mode.) It is neither here nor there at the present time, but we came within a hair of an arena back in that day. Just be glad you got your Super Pit done before the funding rug was pulled-out.
Now, we have a president who has stuck his neck-out with an arena project. It is a headline project on the university's development page. We shall see. At this point, I am very optimistic, but not necessarily about this being something that is done quickly.
One thing about financing an arena, it is a revenue generator from third-party users. Probably more so than a stadium is. Without a major donor for either project, I think financing the arena might be a little easier. Whatever. I hope we both get our projects done.
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I was an accounting instructor building a CPA practice and lived in Arlington for over 20 years. I was there. I saw it happen. Ask Johnny McDowell or some of the others who tried to get there early and take those seats behind the NT bench to keep that from happening.
I would love for someone to take photos of the orchestra pit, the brick walls behind the goal posts and the bleacher seats immediately behind the player bench and show the world the truth. How about it greenjoe, go UTA...why do you hide the truth?
Easy, man, easy. Let the bitterness go. Think soothing thoughts. Put away all sharp objects... the memory you have, in any case, is from looong ago...probably before most of the posters on the board were born. And, yes, I know, it is a conspiracy to hide the truth of Texas Hall from the world.
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What ever happened to UTA's new gym? Seems to me that the series is a natural, but we should not do home and home until UTA has a division I venue.
Answer to the first question is contained in my link in an above post.
I'll admit Texas Hall isn't glamorous and we should have been out of it a long time ago (the biggest handicap is recruiting, not the game experience), but if it is suitable for the University of New Mexico Lobos and New Mexico State University Aggies (these two recently), it ought to not be too far beneath the Mean Green.
Freak, DuckMav, you mean I can't bring my car jack to the next game?
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Texas Hall is not dangerous to play in, of course. Players don't get hurt there except for maybe a flying elbow.
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A poster on our board says we have signed a home-and-home arrangement with you in men's basketball. If so, this will be the first time in a long time. The report is that way play in Denton this year.
It is about freakin' time!
This is a dirt cheap DI game for both of us; little time is wasted with travel; fan and media attention will show a spike. Just makes sense! Many of you won't remember, but historically, we had a rivalry, and it could get pretty intense. Texas Hall, being rather intimate, would literally thunder and rock with partisans of both sides.
I'll come up to Denton for this game.
Would like to see this in volleyball and women's basketball, too. (We did play in women's b-ball recently.)
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If Boko says Dr. Trauth says, it must be true.
Off the top of my head, you might want to check with UT Dallas....
mmmmm....Kool-aid.
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One final point: with the turnover now in university presidencies (an average of about 5-6 years for a stay), the next step up for this sort of career academic is the presidency of a flagship state university -- and almost by definition, that will require a keen understanding of how important athletics are (imagine her going to, say, U Georgia or U Illinois or U Washington without such an appreciation).
This could be true, but not necessarily. I can site an example. Our President Witt was hired to the same position at the University of Alabama, a flagship state university, a few years back. This was an offer he really couldn't refuse, and also his wife was from Alabama.
My point is, he got Alabama's attention for some remarkable achievements at UT Arlington, but intercollegiate athletics was not among them. Really, I think I can safely say that he was virtually completely uninterested in athletics. One would never see him at games (very unlike our current president who is a big sports fan and a regular fixture at athletic events).
Athletics is something a highly qualified academic can "learn" at Big State U.
The UNT presidency may be the pinnacle of this lady's career (which, if the chancellor doesn't micro-manage her institution, is a great position). Her age suggests that this might be the case.
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She looks very solid and qualified. Lots of experience with teaching, research and publications, and administration.
I do agree that there is some repair work to be done with the faculty, and, if she is savvy like she probably is, she will work hard to restore trust, etc. The faculty, after all, IS the university. The faculty need to respect and trust the president to really move the university forward, attract bright people, etc.
You simply can't tell if she will be supportive and excited about athletics. I'd say, give her a chance. She may grab on and enjoy all the excitement.
Basically, what you want is a president who understands the entire big picture. I'm talking about academics, research, student life, development, athletics, and is savvy with people like legislators, regents, and other movers and shakers. It is really a very big job, and there is no way she will please everybody. Just the way it is.
Even if you have personal doubts, I would befriend her and help her become a Mean Green fan. Don't put up a wall of mistrust from the beginning. Support the lady and give her a chance. Just my two cents.
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Got one from the Maverick Nation, too.
...a very, very emotional time for the family.
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My pleasure, Plumm. That's my understanding of the situation. $50 million should get you a heck of a show place of a business building. I bet they put some nice amenities in it...big career center, break-out rooms for students to meet, student lounge, and some "professional" finishes, e.g., wood paneling in certain areas. These are the things going in new business buildings, it seems.
Science buildings and engineering buildings typically cost more per square foot. For instance, in chemistry labs, you have to install hoods and emergency equipment. With a business building, you don't have all the expensive equipment needs.
Yeah, likewise, I'm betting UT Arlington does everything humanly possible to move forward with the just-approved Engineering Research building. They have been clamoring for that for sometime. Engineering is considered to be one of that campus' hallmark strengths, and they are chomping at the bit big-time to add more research space at the engineering complex clustered at the north end of campus.
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As with everybody else, unfortunately, the legislature didn't appropriate any money to help pay for these. In the past, the legislature appropriated funds to pay back the bonds.
Now, to get all these projects done, universities would actually have to pay back with tuition. We'll see how all this shakes out. For instance, it may be impossible to get all those projects for UNT by paying them back with tuition proceeds...at least not without huge tuition increases and/or robbing other needs (which are usually already stretched thin).
It may be 2007 before this issue is taken-up again in the next legislative session.
Right now, they have technically given universities the authority to get these buildings with the tuition revenue bonds, but, whether the schools can in reality is another question.
Change of Pace
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This is one of the best posts I have ever seen. Maybe I am easily amused, but this is a crack-up! And, BTW, I'm sure RETSO is a great history teacher!