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Wren did a lot of good for UNT. I also understand people's immediate fear that Wren will try and poach McCasland.
While Wren would probably love to have him, make no mistake about it, McCasland is here because of Mosley.
Mosley identified him for Wren...just as he had done at ACU when they hired McCasland. They had/have a very solid relationship, even with McCasland leaving Abilene without ever coaching a game. Mosley followed that departure up by identifying another young up and coming coach in Joe Golding. All he did was lead ACU to an NCAAT win over Texas before taking the UTEP job.
Mosley also hit a home run in hiring Chris Thomsen while at ACU, who led the Wildcats to 6 straight NCAA D2 Playoff appearances which were the only 6 years they ever made the D2 playoffs.
Mosley has an eye for coaches.
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16 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:
Man, I've heard nothing but the opposite regarding TXHSFB coaches. They LOVE him. Your other knocks on him are valid though. I dunno if he'd want to take over NT right now. ...but you definitely at least call him.
A lot of HS coaches do love him. TCU had a lot of trouble pulling kids from power programs in DFW over the last 5+ years. TCU's recruiting had gone much more national and they did a lot of their in state work outside of DFW and also had a pipeline into Louisiana. The reason for that was Patterson's relationships with many of those coaches. He wasn't out doing the relational work needed anymore.
He still had great relationships with some big coaches/programs around DFW and the state (John Kay at GP North Shore being a big one) but was failing to develop new relationships. His biggest issue with DFW HS (and Dallas area in particular) was that he and Samples weren't exactly best buds.
One of the big benefits from the Dykes hire was the younger Samples came with him (even though it was brief with his departure to the Rams) and repaired the relationship between TCU and those Dallas area programs/coaches.
All that aside, I think the real issue is Gary wouldn't have the stomach/energy to tackle a total rebuild that needs to happen in Denton. He can keep cashing checks as an analyst for as long as he wants.
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Take Patterson off any list. His undoing at TCU was an inability to adapt to the new landscape of college football. A lot of DFW HS coaches weren't big fans of his and it showed in TCU's recruiting geography over the 5+ years. He was an outstanding HC and built that TCU program from the ground up, but I just don't see him being the guy to handle that construction process all over again. Gary already did the 20 year grind and he was very well compensated for it. I don't see him wanting to go down that road again and/or being well equipped to do it.
Herman's ego is too big for UNT but he may not have a choice if he isn't willing to work his way back up to HC via the coordinator route at a P5 school. There is enough smoke around his character/persona to be concerned. I chalk some of that up to trying to handle the crap you have to handle at UT. The guy has proven he can win and recruit. He is also one of the names out there that could fire up a few BMD's to get on the NIL train.
Fuente/Carthel strike me as similar type HC's in their approach to program building. Obviously, Carthel hasn't climbed the same ladder Fuente did, but neither are super flashy guys. They are solid HC's.
The Lebby/K Briles/Harrell (and I'd throw it Kittley at Tech) group offers the potential for exciting offense and also bring an energy that should resonate with recruits. I don't know who of them, if any, would see the HC job at UNT as a better route to where they want to get vs. being a P5 OC.
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Kuehne had a wild journey for sure. He couldn’t ever win the job at little ole Liberty Christian because he was stuck behind Starkel and then Copeland (in the portal btw).
His family decided to move him to Owasso so he could actually start. Yes...he had to go from a mediocre large private school program to the top team in Oklahoma’s highest division to get on the field.
As a sophomore at Liberty Will showed what is being discussed here by starting at safety all year and playing some WR after not being able to beat out Copeland (who would transfer to Argyle the following season meaning Kuehne would have had the starting job!).
He wound up in the perfect situation with a lot of future college talent including his go to weapon Josh Proctor (Ohio State). They went on a crazy run ending it by beating Jenks and Union back to back weeks to claim their first title since 1974.
With Proctor and other talent graduated Owasso couldn’t repeat and fell to 7-5. But Kuehne was still a bright spot. Long road to eventually make it home to UNT.
He’s a great kid from a great family and definitely one you’re happy to have in your room. I don’t know that he is ever the guy you want starting but love having a QB in the room that’s hungry to get on the field however he can.
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30 minutes ago, tmjerm said:
Zarnell Fitch
That would be a home run hire from a recruiting perspective and DL play.
He has learned under Patterson but has his own style. He has churned out some top notch DL and developed two of the Big 12’s best pass rushers this season.
TCU faithful love this guy too.
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Scott Symons - Liberty
He’s a local guy and has recruited Texas for a few different schools. Younger guy on the rise. It would be a lateral move but maybe you could sell him on coming home.
Had Liberty 13th in total yards and 22nd in scoring defense.
This guy is going to be a head coach someday if you look at his career trajectory. Would be a great pickup if you could convince him to leave a better program.
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16 hours ago, UNTLifer said:
Convenient. I think Arkansas would have beaten TCU.
TCU would have run all over them. Arky defense is no bueno.
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Mason Fine part 2. Copeland would be a nice pickup if they target him.
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Well the 2022 kid picked up Virginia Tech and Michigan offers today so maybe late to the party on that one!
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First play in this video was a punt with 15 seconds left in a 28-28 game...Gamble ended it with this return.
He also won a game on a KOR TD with under two minutes left in a game earlier this season.
This kid is a solid CB prospect with good return ability as well. Also keep an eye out for a 2022 prospect out of Liberty that just received an offer from Southern Miss. His name is Cristian Driver and he is the son of Donald Driver.
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Kuehne shined in Owasso's season opening thumping of traditional power Jenks.
Threw for almost 300 yards and 5 TDs.
Finally got to a competent football program and now the arm talent that has been there has a chance to show.
With Copeland primed to lead Argyle on a deep run as their QB, Kuehne running the show for one of the top programs in OK...Liberty lost two top notch QBs. And what they have left isn't anything special. Best one might be a freshman from what I've heard.
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10 hours ago, GrandGreen said:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Many would like to see Fenway and the Boston Garden replaced. Not that the SP is in that category because it definitely is not. However, I don't particularly care for the McDonald's like new arenas, all bright, plastic, shiny and basically all look about the same.
I also wonder about people who think the SP is an eyesore, next to the Murchinson. I also ponder why NT has never made any attempt to make the outside more appealing. A little landscaping and imagination would go a long way in improving the street appeal.
Obviously, until NT turns this basketball program around, where they play doesn't really matter. A school of close to 40,000 that can't get over an 100 in the student section does not need a new basketball arena.
Until recently, SP was easily the best college arena in the area, UTA built a new one, and SMU and TCU had massive renovations. SMU's program has got substantially better due to a ton of money being spend on coaching, not a re-done Moody. UTA played in one of the worst facilities ever, but with a brand new arena and a much better team is still not averaging 2000 in attendance. TCU's program is still foundering.
Apparently, any major renovation or new facility, is years down the road for NT. So there will be a lot of time, to make the right decision.
I would love to be "floundering" the way TCU is right now.
They pumped money into the program to get a great coach and turn an out of date arena into something they could showcase and be proud of.
And one year in they have a legitimate shot at being a tournament team.
Obviously totally different universities, donors and situations...but a great example of what a strong commitment can yield; much like SMU's decision to commit to becoming a successful basketball program.
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Was told this morning that Kuehne will get to start tomorrow in Liberty's first round playoff game. Kuehne had played WR and Safety all year but the starting QB was injured in final regular season game. Kuehne did lead team on final drive of that game which resulted in a game winning FG as time expired.
Liberty's first round opponent is Bishop Dunne, so Kuehne will get a chance to prove himself vs the best. Dunne has the following players on their defense;
DT Damion Daniels- https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/13328
DT Calvin Avery- https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/13565
DT Malex Fuget- https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/188066
LB Paul Favorite- https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/16880
LB Shane Hailey- https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/16910
DB Chevin Calloway- https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/139
DB Brian Williams- http://247sports.com/Player/Brian-Williams-91902 (He's 247's #1 ranked player in TX class of 2019...#3 in the country)
DB Caleb Biggurs- https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/16908
Along with Juniors Roscoe Jones (DE) and Anthony McClinton (S/LB) that are receiving interest.
Good chance to show what he can do against one of the more stacked defenses in the state.
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On June 8, 2016 at 10:28 PM, RushnStudies said:
Actually, it's growing. It ain't what it could be, or should be, yet, but they've gotten a few bigger kids lately.
They've got a couple 240ish. From what I've been told though they have a freshman that we should keep an eye on for the future.
They also have a DE from I believe Nigeria that will be a sophomore and is 6'6" 225 that played football for the first time on their JV last year. One parent told me he is an absolute freak...a basketball player that may have found his true calling.
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44 minutes ago, baberuthbomber8 said:
Reading everything, its not because the kid is not talented, its because he is fighting for a job vs. another very talented QB that was playing/backing up Stackel... I watched his game tape, and he can play
Also, I doubt that this is an offer made by RV.. The kids tape shows he is talented and can play, even as a freshman. At worst the kid comes in and is just another body at QB, but if he explodes and becomes a big deal this could be a HUGE get for UNT or they lose him to another big program. Honestly, I think all of us and the AD would be okay with wasting 1 scholarship on this kid if he a bust if grandpa forks over a few million, wouldnt you?
Bingo!
The kid has some ability for sure. He looks like he will have good size, he can sling it around pretty well, and can even run a little. And maybe Littell and staff have seen enough to feel comfortable with projecting what the kid will be. Obviously there's some other factors in play as well.
He isn't the starter because the other kid has proven himself at the varsity level as a freshman and is a better player at this point. And "meangreencoach" the other kid isn't the QB because his dad wants him to be the QB (if anything you just described Kuehne) he is the QB because he's good
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4 hours ago, MEANGREENCOACH2 said:
Do you know the head coach?
Graduated from UNT in '84, right around the time Liberty started up. My association with Liberty started 8 years later in '92 and has continued in some form or another since then...even though I'm MUCH less involved now. I've seen the majority of Liberty's years and have never seen someone in a position of leadership there lead as poorly as the current HC. My thoughts are echoed by most people I still talk with there.
You obviously have some association with Liberty as well. So I apologize if you're a fan of the man. All I have to go off of is my interactions with him and those around him and what I hear from those that are still closer to the program.
They went from from a legend in Mark Bowles, to an outstanding man (and UNT letterman) in Greg Price. The quality of the program has nosedived since moving from Greg Price to this guy.
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27 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:
It's a necessary move from the coaching staff. Plus it he becomes a hit and choses to come here it works out in our favor. If he comes here regardless of whether or not he's a hit, it might open up a pipeline to other liberty prospects.
If he does come here though and does become a big prospect, can we be found guilty of anything illegal regarding recruiting since his grandfather donates to the athletic department and school?
Couple of responses;
1- With the current head coach at Liberty and how quickly he has destroyed that program a Liberty pipeline isn't gonna yield enough to be worth a throwaway scholarship.
2- I would love to see the NCAA punish for improper benefits BY THE RECRUIT just for the comedy that would come with it
3- This is absolutely an offer to keep the right people happy. The kid has some real arm talent, but is FAR from a college prospect...even projecting at this point. But, could get lucky and have him improve a ton and become a real option at QB, or, worst case scenario you get a scout team QB for a few years. Either way, you keep a big check writer happy and engaged with the program. Nice political move by Littrell and staff.
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Staff is doing some serious projecting with this offer.
Kid played Freshman/JV ball last year. He is likely the backup QB this year, to a kid that will only be a Junior. The C/O 2018 kid that he is behind started as a freshman when Starkel got hurt in 2014 then was the team's leading WR as a sophomore in 2015. Moved back to QB in spring.
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Liberty Christian LB Kyleb Howell did not sign with anyone today. He has a PWO offer from UNT.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/172543
http://247sports.com/Player/Kyleb-Howell-42963
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2282949/kyleb-howell
Liberty Christian WR Justus Lee chose a PWO at Arizona over several other PWO offers including UNT.
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On January 21, 2016 at 5:48 PM, TheReal_jayD said:
Why has no one been there??
You'd have to ask them.
I asked one coach at Liberty and he said everyone is kind of baffled as to why no one has been by the campus. And that Starkel hadn't brushed UNT off or anything like that to lead to no visit from Mean Green staff.
The other part of that conversation was him telling me that Starkel and his dad had actively pursued UNT in the spring of 2015 and couldn't even get a response from that staff. So at least this staff wasn't that dumb.
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No one from North Texas has been at Liberty campus since dead period ended.
The last shred of hope would be if coaches decided Justus Lee was worthy of an offer and A&M made a late push for another 2016 QB.
Neither is impossible. But they both seem unlikely.
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Time to move on from Starkel. He's going to A&M.
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Starkel will schedule three OVs. That is, of course, as long as he doesn't commit on one of his first two.
His first is set for A&M, followed by a trip to UCLA. His last OV...if he hasn't committed....would be to the Mean Green.
I would say A&M is the leader. Mazzone was the one recruiting him at UCLA and Starkel fits his system.
Here's UNT's best hope
1- Starkel isn't comfortable with Tate Martell coming in behind him at A&M
2- The turmoil at A&M makes Starkel wonder how long Sumlin and co. Will be there
3- Starkel doesn't click with the new OC at UCLA the way he did with Mazzone
4- UCLA isn't as sold on Nick with Mazzone now gone
If the last OV weekend comes around and Starkel hasn't committed to A&M or UCLA then UNT will have a real punchers chance.
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His wife played ball at ACU (while Mosley was there). Definitely a hoops family.
https://acusports.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/alex-guiton/1764