U.S. House Committee Examining Student Athletic Fees

[MCMLXXX]

 

[untjim1995]

1 hour ago, MCMLXXX said:

 

This is another way the Power Schools use their political ties to protect their interests

[GrandGreen]

1 hour ago, MCMLXXX said:

 

This has the real potential to complete what NIL started and totally eliminate D1 athletic competition outside of about thirty teams.  

Does anyone consider how many athletes that currently have scholarships that will not if this legislative trend continues?  

In reality, forcing students to pay for athletes that are now getting paId on top of a normal scholarship is definitely wrong.  Why should Joe or Susie Student have to pay for games they don't attend and have no interest in?

 

[untcampbell]

Many have no interest in using the PEB or the music hall. I get we are talking about specific students and not facilities, but we pay for stuff all the time that we don't have any interest in. USAID, it turns out, for instance.

 

GMG

[Dannymacfan]

This is devestating news for us and many others.

[untjim1995]

I think it's a good thing to give students the opportunity to choose what they pay for. Want to use the exercise facilities? Pay as you go. Want to go to a game? Pay as you go. Same with arts and music.

Make things more transparent and give parents and students the freedom to choose. Lower costs for the college degree should be the #1 priority for all public schools.

It would then be up to the AD, the Dean of College of Music, and others to work on getting interest and attendance. I have a kid at a college out of state and it costs $30k for his cost of attendance, even after a scholarship that waives a lot of out of state costs. The list of fees he pays is ridiculous, as he never attends a concert, an exhibit, or a play. He does attend games--which he pays an extra fee to get an all-sports pass. 

People wonder why it takes forever to pay for a college education when they have to borrow to pay for it. These extra fees are a big part of that, which the student and their family has no say in at all. You can say that you can go somewhere else that doesn't have athletics fees like we do, but the fact remains that the fees exist for many other colleges within the university that are unnecessary. 

 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

6 hours ago, untcampbell said:

Many have no interest in using the PEB or the music hall. I get we are talking about specific students and not facilities, but we pay for stuff all the time that we don't have any interest in. USAID, it turns out, for instance.

 

GMG

That shouldn't be new to anyone. USAID is in the name, US Aid, and has been a joke since its inception. 

 

Also, when schools start paying players then students shouldn't have to pay an athletics fee. Pretty common sense stuff if you ask me. Yeah, that's devastating to us and the ones like us, but many on here asked for this. Hope you're happy. 

Edited February 4 by NorthTexasWeLove

[UNTLifer]

So, will this bleed over into the public domain.  For instance, my kids are out of high school so I can opt out of paying local school taxes?  Will all bills presented in Congress become single issue bills so we don't pay for B.S. pork every politician adds in?

[TIgreen01]

I guess people need a refresher on what a university is and what it is supposed to provide.  If you want to  have your professional education be transactional in nature only, go to trade school.  University may not be for you.

[untjim1995]

6 minutes ago, TIgreen01 said:

I guess people need a refresher on what a university is and what it is supposed to provide.  If you want to  have your professional education be transactional in nature only, go to trade school.  University may not be for you.

What is educational about mandatory paying for athletics? 

[untjim1995]

33 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

So, will this bleed over into the public domain.  For instance, my kids are out of high school so I can opt out of paying local school taxes?  Will all bills presented in Congress become single issue bills so we don't pay for B.S. pork every politician adds in?

What would be more comparative would be asking why you have to pay for everything related to the ISD offering sports or music or theater...

[TIgreen01]

32 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

What is educational about mandatory paying for athletics? 

Maybe start here:  https://www.unt.edu/about-unt.html#:~:text=UNT's Mission,in a rapidly changing world.

[untjim1995]

29 minutes ago, TIgreen01 said:

Maybe start here:  https://www.unt.edu/about-unt.html#:~:text=UNT's Mission,in a rapidly changing world.

Great link--thank you. Still would argue that mandatorily paying for these extras isn't how it should be, but I also found a lot of interesting things from this page. Enjoy

UNT's Mission
At the University of North Texas, our caring and creative community empowers our students to thrive in a rapidly changing world.

UNT's Purpose
Our students will be the innovative leaders of tomorrow.

UNT's Vision
We will become globally known for collaborative and imaginative educational innovation and scholarly activity that transforms our students and benefits the world around us.

A

We have a history of maintaining an unpretentious and accepting atmosphere that welcomes all people who strive to achieve their personal best. UNT possesses and values an increasing diversity among the individuals who make up its community. This is one of our greatest strengths.

• Center for Belonging and Engagement

Sustainability

UNT continues to build on its legacy of conservation and environmentalism, where we teach green, research green and simply are green in everything we do. UNT offers more than 50 courses with a focus on sustainability, faculty are searching for ways to reduce society's impact, and in its daily operations, UNT treads lightly. The campus has a robust recycling program, fuels its vehicles with biodiesel and is retrofitting buildings for greater energy efficiency while constructing new structures to meet the highest green building standards.

• UNT Sustainability

• Institute of Applied Science

 

Fine arts

UNT offers more than 1,000 music concerts, art exhibitions and dance and theatre productions annually.

 

The College of Visual Arts and Design
Among the country's largest and most comprehensive public arts schools, CVAD offers lectures and artists' talks as well as rotating art exhibitions in four primary galleries.

 

The Murchison Performing Arts Center
Features two venues — Winspear Hall and the Lyric Theater — that showcase student talent. The outstanding acoustics in Winspear Hall are on par with the Meyerson Symphony Center in Dallas and the Bass Performance Hall in Fort Worth as premier music halls in the North Texas region.

The university's nationally recognized College of Music
Offers more than 1,000 concerts per year, most of them free. Concerts range from intimate solo and chamber music concerts to large-scale choral, orchestral, jazz and operatic productions.

 

The Department of Dance and Theatre
Provides an eclectic mix of drama, comedy and dance concerts each year.

Join us

Education opens doors, changes lives and improves society. At UNT, we are committed to helping our nearly 47,000 students succeed at whatever endeavor they seek to pursue. We celebrate our more than 476,000 active alumni who use their UNT education to make a difference every day.

 

• HR and Employment
• Giving to UNT

 

 

From the link, the actual vision listed for the university, the university's stated mission and plans, or the official welcome statement at the bottom does athletics ever get mentioned. Music and fine arts does, though. There is a link for athletics at the very top of the screen, but not one word about athletics anywhere. Even under traditions, the only thing even remotely close to support for athletics is a picture of cheerleaders in 1974 with the Model T car.

Dare I say, but the university lets you know that Fine Arts and Music are the bread and butter here--I guess you could say that they are letting you know that you'd better be on board with these. 

But not a word about athletics, much less football or hoops.

Edited February 4 by untjim1995

[untphd]

1 hour ago, untjim1995 said:

Great link--thank you. Still would argue that mandatorily paying for these extras isn't how it should be, but I also found a lot of interesting things from this page. Enjoy

UNT's Mission
At the University of North Texas, our caring and creative community empowers our students to thrive in a rapidly changing world.

UNT's Purpose
Our students will be the innovative leaders of tomorrow.

UNT's Vision
We will become globally known for collaborative and imaginative educational innovation and scholarly activity that transforms our students and benefits the world around us.

A

We have a history of maintaining an unpretentious and accepting atmosphere that welcomes all people who strive to achieve their personal best. UNT possesses and values an increasing diversity among the individuals who make up its community. This is one of our greatest strengths.

• Center for Belonging and Engagement

Sustainability

UNT continues to build on its legacy of conservation and environmentalism, where we teach green, research green and simply are green in everything we do. UNT offers more than 50 courses with a focus on sustainability, faculty are searching for ways to reduce society's impact, and in its daily operations, UNT treads lightly. The campus has a robust recycling program, fuels its vehicles with biodiesel and is retrofitting buildings for greater energy efficiency while constructing new structures to meet the highest green building standards.

• UNT Sustainability

• Institute of Applied Science

 

Fine arts

UNT offers more than 1,000 music concerts, art exhibitions and dance and theatre productions annually.

 

The College of Visual Arts and Design
Among the country's largest and most comprehensive public arts schools, CVAD offers lectures and artists' talks as well as rotating art exhibitions in four primary galleries.

 

The Murchison Performing Arts Center
Features two venues — Winspear Hall and the Lyric Theater — that showcase student talent. The outstanding acoustics in Winspear Hall are on par with the Meyerson Symphony Center in Dallas and the Bass Performance Hall in Fort Worth as premier music halls in the North Texas region.

The university's nationally recognized College of Music
Offers more than 1,000 concerts per year, most of them free. Concerts range from intimate solo and chamber music concerts to large-scale choral, orchestral, jazz and operatic productions.

 

The Department of Dance and Theatre
Provides an eclectic mix of drama, comedy and dance concerts each year.

Join us

Education opens doors, changes lives and improves society. At UNT, we are committed to helping our nearly 47,000 students succeed at whatever endeavor they seek to pursue. We celebrate our more than 476,000 active alumni who use their UNT education to make a difference every day.

 

• HR and Employment
• Giving to UNT

 

 

From the link, the actual vision listed for the university, the university's stated mission and plans, or the official welcome statement at the bottom does athletics ever get mentioned. Music and fine arts does, though. There is a link for athletics at the very top of the screen, but not one word about athletics anywhere. Even under traditions, the only thing even remotely close to support for athletics is a picture of cheerleaders in 1974 with the Model T car.

Dare I say, but the university lets you know that Fine Arts and Music are the bread and butter here--I guess you could say that they are letting you know that you'd better be on board with these. 

But not a word about athletics, much less football or hoops.

Well, now its finally out in the open.