TX State to the PAC 2?

[Green Otaku]

1 minute ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Most of that is true and some of that is speculation. But what is for sure is that if they don't get to the minimum required schools then it all dries up. So, better spend some to have some. Or spend none and lose it all. 

That's why TxSt is such an easy choice for them, especially if the media deal turns out to be disappointing. $5M to leave the SBC, which TxSt will have no problem paying, gets them into TX, gets them into the central time zone, and most importantly buys them time.

[greenminer]

Is there some reason this deal is not already done? PAC doesn't seem like it's in a position with all the leverage...they need someone to join them and complete the membership.

Maybe there are others lobbying behind closed doors?

 

[MeanGreen22]

19 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Is there some reason this deal is not already done? PAC doesn't seem like it's in a position with all the leverage...they need someone to join them and complete the membership.

Maybe there are others lobbying behind closed doors?

 

If they truly wanted Texas State, it would be announced by now. Seems pretty plain that they are the back up to the back up plan. Unfortunately for the Pac, that plan is the most likely at this point in time.

[UNTLifer]

On 1/22/2025 at 10:28 AM, NorthTexasWeLove said:

It's been noted literally a few posts above yours that the PAC has 1/4 billion dollars to help alleviate financial difficulties. Not sure if they're willing to spend that money to get there, but they only have so long to reach their number of mandated full-time/football only athletics members. 

Again, if there is any option to get there then we have to do what we can in order to get there. Memphis and Tulane collaborated together to turn down their offer. There is a reason for that. They believe the grass is greener on the other side for THEM. And they very well may be right. Who is to say we get an invite to their pasture? I am likened to believe we do not. So, we have to do what is best for US. And frankly, that's getting out of a conference that is going to be SBUSA in only a matter of time. 

And when the PAC drains those funds assisting schools it wants for its conference, what happens moving forward?  They don't have a media deal, there doesn't appear to be one on the horizon and considering they could not get a deal with the likes of OR, USC, UCLA, etc in the conference, what makes anybody think they are more attractive now?

Edited January 24 by UNTLifer

[NorthTexasWeLove]

29 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

And when the PAC drains those funds assisting schools it wants for it's conference, what happens moving forward?  They don't have a media deal, there doesn't appear to be one on the horizon and considering they could get a deal with the likes of OR, USC, UCLA, etc in the conference, what makes anybody think they are more attractive now?

I don't know man. If if's and but's were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas. What do you want me to tell you? I know that without Tulane, Memphis, and ECU (the schools the ACC will inevitably come poach to start) we will be in the SBUSA. Full stop. We can sit on our hands and hope that it doesn't happen. Or be proactive. I can promise you this, those named schools above (and probably a couple others) will be gone by the expiration of the current AAC media deal. Also, I have seen you mention the lack of PAC media deal at least 2 or 3 times. Do you really think they won't get a deal? Do you really think it won't be better than the current AAC deal? Also, do you think the future AAC deal will be better than what we currently have? Think about those questions. You are referencing every thing and thought with the current what is without even really thinking about what a decade from now, 2035 will look like for us.  

[RBP79]

Unless the PAC (whatever) keeps it's 'P' (Power) designation it doesn't  move the needle for me to leave the AAC. And that doesn't  seem to be in the conversation.

[UNTLifer]

23 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Also, I have seen you mention the lack of PAC media deal at least 2 or 3 times. Do you really think they won't get a deal? Do you really think it won't be better than the current AAC deal? Also, do you think the future AAC deal will be better than what we currently have? Think about those questions. 

Did the PAC get a good media deal with UCLA, USC, WA, OR, AZ and AZ St. still in the conference?  Nope, that's why half headed to the Big10 and have to the Big XII.

Second question, if we continue to build the conference, then yes, I think we could get a better deal.

[TXSTFB_Fan]

On 1/20/2025 at 10:05 PM, NT80 said:

The PAC2 has $240 million reasons to help us with exit fees if we are a member they need!

They don't, since about $150m of that is owed to the Mountain West. The PAC is trying to sue to get out from under that obligation. The outlook of that case doesn't look favorable for the PAC, and will it happen before their July 2026 deadline?  Adding another $27m for each additional AAC team would drain the $255m (figure I read) even further. A poster mentioned earlier, TXST is in the right place at the right time with the right leadership and trending upward.  TXST is a good buy for a $5m exit fee.  Will the PAC make the purchase?  I have no idea.

Edited January 23 by TXSTFB_Fan

[GMG_Dallas]

On 1/22/2025 at 12:22 PM, UNTLifer said:

And when the PAC drains those funds assisting schools it wants for it's conference, what happens moving forward?  They don't have a media deal, there doesn't appear to be one on the horizon and considering they could get a deal with the likes of OR, USC, UCLA, etc in the conference, what makes anybody think they are more attractive now?

They COULD get a deal with all those schools you mentioned, it just wasn't a BIG10/SEC type deal. The premiere PAC programs went to the BIG10 to get what they were worth, the next level went to the BIG12 to get what they were worth, and then the other 4 got crumbs. It's believed on other forums the PAC-2's media deal with CW for 2024 was worth $25 million so $12.5 each. You don't actually believe the PAC couldn't get any deal with their previous membership, do you?

[GMG_Dallas]

5 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Did the PAC get a good media deal with UCLA, USC, WA, OR, AZ and AZ St. still in the conference?  Nope, that's why half headed to the Big10 and have to the Big XII.

Second question, if we continue to build the conference, then yes, I think we could get a better deal.

What's your solution if Memphis and Tulane leave in a couple years and our next deal is CUSA level?

[NorthTexasWeLove]

5 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Did the PAC get a good media deal with UCLA, USC, WA, OR, AZ and AZ St. still in the conference?  Nope, that's why half headed to the Big10 and have to the Big XII.

Second question, if we continue to build the conference, then yes, I think we could get a better deal.

Good is relative. Good compared to the Big10 and SEC. Well, no. So, we saw what happened. The schools that dictate a BIG10/SEC media deal (eyeballs, market, whatever) took their ball and and went somewhere they were going to be paid their market value. The second tier PAC schools were gobbled up by the Big12 and the historical losers limped into the ACC. But just because the old PAC didn't get a SEC/Big10 type offer doesn't mean that a newly formed PAC will not surpass the current AAC deal of 7ishM. I promise you that the teams forming the current PAC will get north of that. I can also promise you that the AAC when negotiation time comes around will get less. The PAC is clearly positioning themselves to be the best non-P2(4) conference in the country and a very, very viable basketball league. I don't know what about this is even debatable. Also, and as previously stated, our brands (the teams that draw eyeballs when they are on TV) will be leaving the AAC before the AAC gets to the negotiating table in 2031ish. You speak of building like we're adding a br onto a single-family home and calling it a forever home. What brands are we going to attract? None. The dust has settled outside of the PAC trying to survive. The ACC will be the next hand to fall. No one is going to budge that believes they (Memphis & Tulane) will be going into a new formed ACC, similar to what the Big12 has done. They know they are going. It could happen as early as this summer. This is why they both said no thank you to the PAC. We need to go to the PAC or we will be in a conference with LaTech, ULM, Arkansas State, and probably Rice... as our regional teams. 

Questions for you...

What makes you believe that a Tulane and Memphis-less conference is going to out negotiate the PAC with a baketball blueblood* and strong basketball and football programs everywhere you look? 

Where are we building? Who is coming? What kind of resources are being dumped into their programs to truly elevate the AAC brand? What is the AAC doing to elevate beyond the fold as they were doing with their old big12 brands? 

*I think we can call the Zags a blueblood nowadays, or no? 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

1 hour ago, GMG_Dallas said:

They COULD get a deal with all those schools you mentioned, it just wasn't a BIG10/SEC type deal. The premiere PAC programs went to the BIG10 to get what they were worth, the next level went to the BIG12 to get what they were worth, and then the other 4 got crumbs. It's believed on other forums the PAC-2's media deal with CW for 2024 was worth $25 million so $12.5 each. You don't actually believe the PAC couldn't get any deal with their previous membership, do you?

They did have media offers? Lifer is acting like a bozo, intentional or not, not sure. Their offer was in the low 30's per school. The Oregons, USC's, Udubbs, etc. etc. scoffed at it when they looked across the country and saw the Big10 and SEC pulling fiddy. 

[NT80]

11 hours ago, RBP79 said:

Unless the PAC (whatever) keeps it's 'P' (Power) designation it doesn't  move the needle for me to leave the AAC. And that doesn't  seem to be in the conversation.

"Power" is subjective these days.  It shouldn't be a Conference label like P4, but an individual Program label, like a Top 60 ranking.  Especially since rosters can change radically now each year with NIL and Portal.   Being last in the Big12 doesn't always make you better than the best G5 programs just because of your uniform patch.  Right UH? (4-8).  

[NT80]

Pac-12 expansion candidates: North Texas Mean Green

https://www.si.com/college/boise-state/football/pac-12-expansion-candidates-north-texas-mean-green-01jj5kr2fsds

 

[UNTLifer]

5 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

They did have media offers? Lifer is acting like a bozo, intentional or not, not sure. Their offer was in the low 30's per school. The Oregons, USC's, Udubbs, etc. etc. scoffed at it when they looked across the country and saw the Big10 and SEC pulling fiddy. 

A bozo?  Why, because I posted the truth?  

[NorthTexasWeLove]

9 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

A bozo?  Why, because I posted the truth?  

Where is this truth you speak of? 

[MeanGreenGlory]

I remain curious about our new president’s view on athletics and how his opinions/motivations will factor into conference realignment and the AD as a whole…

Has anyone gained any insight into this?

[wardly]

12 hours ago, NT80 said:

Pac-12 expansion candidates: North Texas Mean Green

https://www.si.com/college/boise-state/football/pac-12-expansion-candidates-north-texas-mean-green-01jj5kr2fsds

 

I didn't realize how many students lived off campus. Also, no way we can come up with $25 million on our own. I thought the article was a fair assessment of our athletic program and what we bring and don't bring to the table.

[MCMLXXX]

7 minutes ago, wardly said:

I didn't realize how many students lived off campus. 

The vast majority of the 82% who live off campus probably live within 3 miles of the campus. Denton is saturated with student apartments.

[untphd]

11 minutes ago, MCMLXXX said:

The vast majority of the 82% who live off campus probably live within 3 miles of the campus. Denton is saturated with student apartments.

Because UNT doesn't have room for the students , they live off campus. I wonder how many part-time jobs they have to work to pay the close to 1000 dollars a month rent, much less food. UNT should have built more dorms in the 60's and 70's and 80's.  Dorms are how you build student excitement, like a lot of other opportunities, this was also missed by having the wrong type of administration for too long.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

47 minutes ago, wardly said:

I didn't realize how many students lived off campus. Also, no way we can come up with $25 million on our own. I thought the article was a fair assessment of our athletic program and what we bring and don't bring to the table.

I thought it was fair to football. I thought they wrote basketball and its success off way too quickly. The article should've been in more depth in regard to the successes of UNT basketball and how we are a very comparable program to USU, Boise, etc. 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

39 minutes ago, MCMLXXX said:

The vast majority of the 82% who live off campus probably live within 3 miles of the campus. Denton is saturated with student apartments.

I know. I wish uninformed mouthpieces would tie in the context to what they speak of. They write this BS as if UNT is a global type of institution whereas 18% of its students only attend on campus and the other 82% are from all corners of the globe. It's contextually inaccurate and therefore lazy. 

[NT80]

1 hour ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

I thought it was fair to football. I thought they wrote basketball and its success off way too quickly. The article should've been in more depth in regard to the successes of UNT basketball and how we are a very comparable program to USU, Boise, etc. 

No mention of our NIT win.   But I think these may be student writers as it is a Boise State article for SI.

[NT80]

2 hours ago, untphd said:

Because UNT doesn't have room for the students , they live off campus. I wonder how many part-time jobs they have to work to pay the close to 1000 dollars a month rent, much less food. UNT should have built more dorms in the 60's and 70's and 80's.  Dorms are how you build student excitement, like a lot of other opportunities, this was also missed by having the wrong type of administration for too long.

Matt posted As of Fall 2021, there were 6,349 beds in 15 dorms across campus.

But UNT has 29,352 total beds as of 2023 under it's control (on campus and close to campus) = TOP 15 in the country!

This chart shows we have a 17,588 bed shortfall (demand exceeds capacity) which is also Top 12 in the country!  We have a demand from students to want to be on campus!

TOP 50 SCHOOL 2023 FALL ENROLLMENT 2023 TOTAL SUPPLY (BEDS)* HOUSING SHORTFALL EFFECTIVE RENT** 2023-24 TUITION***

1 Florida International University 56,732 21,388 35,344 $1,228 $6,168

2 Utah Valley University 44,653 16,512 28,141 $624 $5,752

3 University of Central Florida 69,320 41,656 27,664 $925 $6,368

4 University of Cincinnati 50,921 24,120 26,801 $1,080 $12,040

5 University of California - Berkeley 45,699 20,680 25,019 $2,624 $11,988

6 University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign 56,403 33,693 22,710 $859 $12,634

7 Oregon State University 36,636 14,176 22,460 $922 $11,309

8 California State University - Northridge 36,123 14,907 21,216 $1,892 $5,852

9 University of California - Davis 40,850 22,150 18,700 $1,257 $15,489

10 University of Colorado - Boulder 37,153 18,917 18,236 $1,566 $11,862

11 George Mason University 40,000 21,977 18,023 $1,191 $10,171

12 University of North Texas 46,940 29,352 17,588 $795 $8,650

13 Ohio University 28,324 10,917 17,407 $666 $13,479

14 University of Iowa 31,240 14,345 16,895 $895 $9,046 

[NT80]

FASTEST-GROWING FLAGSHIP UNIVERSITIES | 2023 

RANK SCHOOL Y-O-Y CHANGE, 2022 FALL ENROLLMENT, 2023 FALL ENROLLMENT, PROJECTED FIVE-YEAR CHANGE

1 University of Cincinnati 3,007 47,914 50,921 2.7%

2 Texas A&M University 2,666 68,461 71,127 3.7%

3 Georgia Institute of Technology 2,650 45,296 47,946 7.2%

4 University of North Texas 2,604 44,336 46,940 5.6%

5 University of Tennessee 2,499 33,805 36,304 5.7%

We are in the TOP 5 fastest growing Flagship Universities in the Country!

 

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The AD and Prez need to find a way to better inspire their students to support their school's athletics!!