Time to hire Briles

[Mike Jackson]

3 hours ago, southsideguy said:

I don't know if we would lose fans or gain fans in the event of his hire.

That make the conversation pointless to me. He definitely can't guarantee wins.  And if he loses here it makes our program even worse.

[MeanGreenTeeth]

Some of y'all are nuts.  UNT's weak Prez got down on his hands and knees because some speaker on campus dare suggest minors shouldn't have sex re-assignment procedures. You think he's going to get anywhere near Art Briles??

[rcade]

4 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

How does a coach create such a culture?

The culture he helped create was to ignore serious crimes, not to make them happen. He and a bunch of others at Baylor had a chance to step up and do the right thing and they never did.

[Cr1028]

12 minutes ago, rcade said:

The culture he helped create was to ignore serious crimes, not to make them happen. He and a bunch of others at Baylor had a chance to step up and do the right thing and they never did.

Seems like a university problem. https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Former--490786321.html
 

[Mike Jackson]

@rcade and @Cr1028 it is ridiculous to continue this debate.  For us to even consider Art Briles there would have to be guaranteed success.  And to warrant thr negative PR that guaranteed success would mean a sold out Apogee, a 2 loss season, and an appearance in the expanded playoff in 2024 or 2025.  Would you guarantee that @Cr1028?   Yes it is unfair to Art.  But that's life.  Art has plenty of money for a nice comfortable retirement and his children have good careers of their own.  Kendall has a good job now and will probably get a better one in the near future.   Maybe even here but not with Art as Head Coach.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Mike Jackson

[BBA1989]

Art Briles coached at Mt. Vernon HS (Dandy Don Meredith hometown) for a couple years then resigned for some reason.  Not sure if he thought he would get an opportunity in college or what by resigning.  
 

Seth has to go.  It’s time to find someone else to lead the program into the AAC and forward.  

[rcade]

3 minutes ago, BBA1989 said:

Art Briles coached at Mt. Vernon HS (Dandy Don Meredith hometown) for a couple years then resigned for some reason.

He was sick of teaching social studies.

[BBA1989]

1 minute ago, rcade said:

He was sick of teaching social studies.

I don’t think that was it.  I did hear that his hiring in Mt Vernon was a shock to some in the town as they hadn’t heard about the board considering him until it was a done deal then announced.  

[TIgreen01]

Ok, so say you can get him by the donors, the students and fans…and even the media storm.  Can he still recruit?  I say no.  The single biggest reason for his success was he was a fantastic recruiter.  His classes weren’t always the highest ranked on signing day, but they dang sure found game changing players and got them to Houston and Baylor.  I don’t see that happening for him again…but who knows.

[Son of Spiriki]

2 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

I know Briles won’t be here because of the S storm it would cause but most of the time nobody even knows what specifically Briles did or didn’t do to cause a single sexual assault. They just use vague terms like “rape culture” or “rape enabler”. The man’s livelihood was taken away because of the bad actions and decisions of other people.

It's not about cause; it's about accountability and leadership. Art Briles never told any of his players to go out and get some. Art Briles didn't supervise battery, rapes, or sexual assaults. Art Briles, as head coach of the Baylor Bears, oversaw the recruiting of these players and was leading the program at the time they committed these crimes.

There was extensive documentation of why Art Briles was fired, and it all boils down to this: a loss of institutional control. That loss of institutional control started was centered on the football team but more broadly included the former AD, now Liberty's AD, Ian McCaw and the former Chancellor and President of the university Ken Starr. If you'd like to read the summary of the Pepper Hamilton report, it's here: https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/doc.php/266596.pdf 

A head coach in any sport at any level is responsible for their team and accountable for their team's culture. That's exceptionally true of FBS football programs. A head coach isn't only responsible for what goes on in between the lines on Saturdays; they're also responsible for the attitude and culture around the team off the field. It's chasing success at all costs in the former that led to a toxic disaster in the latter.

If you're in public university leadership, you simply cannot bring a person with that kind of record into the fold. Hiring someone with that background opens the athletics program and the university at large up a whole elective dimension of institutional risk.

My feeling about Briles as a coach is that if he wasn't going to get a shot at Liberty, it's never going to happen. The set up there was the most ideal setup in FBS college football for him: a small, culturally-conservative school coming off a successful run with another former FBS college football coach with ample personal baggage of his own and the presence of the former Baylor AD who hired him at Baylor and should, in principle, know him better than just about anyone. From everything I've read, Briles was never seriously considered. If the guy who hired you at Baylor won't hire you again at an institution that's practically tailored for you, that sends a quiet but profound message to the rest of the college football world about you.

[VideoEagle]

No

[NT93]

3 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

…nobody even knows what specifically Briles did or didn’t do to cause a single sexual assault… 

This is exactly why I brought up Joe Mixon.  Dude knocked a girl out with a Mike Tyson punch which is caught on video and he’s now making millions and being cheered for on Sundays.  How is that not worse than what Briles did or didn’t do?  

[GrayEagle]

Personally, I wouldn't have a strong objection to either but Art was responsible for his staff's behavior.  He was likely involved in the coverup or he was, at least, guilty in the world's eye.  Kendall, I believe, has only been a coordinator.

I would want a proven current or former FBS head coach if possible.  The only FCS coach that I would have taken a chance on was grabbed up by Texas State.  (Sorry, Lifer...TSU-SM).

 

[BBA1989]

1 hour ago, NT93 said:

This is exactly why I brought up Joe Mixon.  Dude knocked a girl out with a Mike Tyson punch which is caught on video and he’s now making millions and being cheered for on Sundays.  How is that not worse than what Briles did or didn’t do?  

And Deshaun Watson returned to Houston today to face his old team and signed jerseys and took pics with former teammates. Why anyone on his former team would associate with him after his quitting on the team and town is beyond me.  The pro athletes sicken me among with others who act in a manner like Mixon and Watson.  

[Christopher Walker]

On 12/3/2022 at 5:55 PM, p_phelps said:

I can get behind this... need an AD that ain't afraid 

Eh, see. I'd rather have an AD that respects women.

[MeanGreenATO]

OK, I’ll bite.

This is an absolutely absurd take and some of y’all need to check yourselves. 

Since I graduated in 2013, I’ve always had a ton of pride in North Texas. My UNT lanyard has been on nearly all my press credentials over the years — from UIL championships to the Super Bowl. Last year I got involved with a scholarship program at the Mayborn.

A winning football program is great. But it is not worth it for a program we can’t be proud of. You can win whatever with Art Briles and none of it will matter. It is not worth it and UNT should always strive for being better than that. 
 

Ben Baby

[VideoEagle]

18 minutes ago, MeanGreenATO said:

OK, I’ll bite.

This is an absolutely absurd take and some of y’all need to check yourselves. 

Since I graduated in 2013, I’ve always had a ton of pride in North Texas. My UNT lanyard has been on nearly all my press credentials over the years — from UIL championships to the Super Bowl. Last year I got involved with a scholarship program at the Mayborn.

A winning football program is great. But it is not worth it for a program we can’t be proud of. You can win whatever with Art Briles and none of it will matter. It is not worth it and UNT should always strive for being better than that. 
 

Ben Baby

Well written!  Great take! I completely agree. 

[golfingomez]

I wouldn't mind art, but he's old...

[10Eagle10]

Give me Gary Patterson. Pretty sure TCU was 4-3 vs Baylor when they went head-to-head

[NT93]

I don’t mind a downvote…whatever, but for whoever gave a puking eagle to my last post:  You think what Art Briles did is worse than what Joe Mixon did?  People like Joe Mixon are the ones that Briles “didn’t control.”  So if my son commits a crime, I’m the one who should be punished?  Just odd that you can think someone who actually committed assault against a women is the better person.

[Jonnyeagle]

 

[Ibleedgreen]

NO…absolutely not. Why do I even have to post this?

[MeanGreenTexan]

16 hours ago, NT93 said:

I don’t mind a downvote…whatever, but for whoever gave a puking eagle to my last post:  You think what Art Briles did is worse than what Joe Mixon did?  People like Joe Mixon are the ones that Briles “didn’t control.”  So if my son commits a crime, I’m the one who should be punished?  Just odd that you can think someone who actually committed assault against a women is the better person.

He's the leader of the football organization as a whole.    When confronted with info about it, he just kicked the can, kept mum, and basically ignored young women's trauma.

Art Briles is a hard "NO" for me, and probably the only person who would keep me from re-upping my tix.

Not that any of this matters anyway.   There's no way on Earth the UNT student body would allow Neal to get away with that hire.   Period.   It's not a headache he wants, and there are other coaches available who can win just as well as Art.

[Got5onIt]

Not ready to sell our soul to the devil. We're close but not quite there yet. Let's revisit after 2 years in the AAC....

Edited December 5, 2022 by Got5onIt

[Jonnyeagle]

8 minutes ago, Got5onIt said:

Not ready to sell our soul to the devil. We're close but not quite there yet. Let's revisit after 2 years in the AAC....

So why are you holding Baby responsible for his fathers sins?  It's not right to do that man.  My dad wasn't a saint and thank god people are judging me on my own accomplishments.