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34 minutes ago, Pellom said:

I’ve seen a couple of folks suggest they are afraid (or hopeful) Seth and this team can do just enough to squeak by and he’ll be retained into 2023 (the last year on his deal). 
 

I don’t want to say anything is impossible, but the chances of this are slim to none. Why? Because you would have to thread the needle to extreme precision for it to happen. 
 

The fact of the matter is, FBS head coaches don’t work on one year deals. A contract negotiation will happen. This is good news because they can’t kick the can down the road to next year (like they did last season). Littrell will either be extended or he won’t be the HC here any longer. 
 

Wren is a smart guy - but he can’t be impatient or boisterous like most of us us want him to be. We have to be able to listen to the non-verbal cues:

1) Reporting from major outlets suggest Wren was ready to pull the plug last season. ESPN, SI, and others have all corroborated this story. 

2) Those same institutions have also reported last year’s results were not good enough and more is expected this season as we head into the AAC. So that establishes a 7 win floor, either with more regular season wins or a major bowl win. 
 

3) The fact the situation has gotten this far without a contract extension tells you all you need to know about what Wren intends to do - he is planning to hire a new coach this off-season. 

The wildcard here is Littrell himself. Does he want to keep the job? I am sure he loses sleep at night over the Kansas State negotiations. So let’s say a miracle happens and we win 7 or more games this season. In that world, I think we could very easily see Littrell use that momentum to find another job. 

blah blah blah, long story short: this is an average CUSA team. 5/6/7 wins ain’t gonna earn an extension. 8 wins or more earns a job elsewhere. 
 

Sucks that this is a throw away year, but it is. 

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Wren seems like a smart guy, although he extended Seth once and didn't fire him after last season, plus let Benford work a 5th year till his contract ended, so I have concerns about his decision-making in those situations.   But he didn't hire Seth, making letting him go easier.   

The easy CUSA schedule will allow some additional wins, and perhaps enough for 6 total and another lame Bowl invite.  We cannot go down that rabbit hole again!!!

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5 minutes ago, NT80 said:

Wren seems like a smart guy, although he extended Seth once and didn't fire him after last season, plus let Benford work a 5th year till his contract ended, so I have concerns about his decision-making in those situations.   But he didn't hire Seth, making letting him go easier.   

The easy CUSA schedule will allow some additional wins, and perhaps enough for 6 total and another lame Bowl invite.  We cannot go down that rabbit hole again!!!

I see 4 wins MAX and even then it seems not very likely 

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50 minutes ago, Pellom said:

I don’t want to say anything is impossible, but the chances of this are slim to none. Why? Because you would have to thread the needle to extreme precision for it to happen. 
 

 

I think you underestimate the amount of bad luck that North Texas can attract.

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I agree, but the damage done by him sticking around is potentially devastating.

We never fully healed from the Portland State loss that occurred by leaving a lame duck head coach for most of the season…

Basketball obviously is spectacular on the court but the crowds are still suffering from Benford era neglect…

Littrell can not finish this season.

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3 minutes ago, Tom McKrackin said:

The problem is North Texas and Wren will never hire the head football coaches that are change agents like Baby Briles and Patterson.

Patterson seems like a slam dunk. He’s gonna cost a billion but you’re gonna average 27K a game. If we aren’t backing up a Brinks truck to his door, we aren’t serious.

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My opinion on this is pretty simple: Wren needs to call the big donors and ask a really simple question. Do you care about winning or maintaining the country club? And then decide what he cares about. Remember when Wren joined they had the consultants and the #NewDenton shenanigans but now…we are literally back to the beginning of his time here. Anyone around UNT knows it’s the same ol’ country club buddy buddy shit just without Hank Dickenson and Jub. Our best partner (John Williams) does all his promotion out of his own pocket, while Wren is too busy letting contracts like the stadium store go to woefully understaffed and unprepared failing local bookstores staffed by sorority girls.

UNT doesn’t pay worth shit so the staff turnover is extreme despite a couple associate ADs, the stadium is quickly falling into disarray and our AD office looks straight out of 1998. Yeah how’s that 35E sign looking these days. Or the wing scoreboard. Or the green signage.

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I’ll say this again: unless UNT embraces what makes Denton unique, the crowds will always suck, the money will not be there because the partnerships will suck, and the program will continue to flounder.

Our coaches won’t even wear green. You know. Our color.

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1 hour ago, texx2818 said:

I agree, but the damage done by him sticking around is potentially devastating.

We never fully healed from the Portland State loss that occurred by leaving a lame duck head coach for the season…

Basketball obviously is spectacular on the court but the crowds are still suffering from Benford era neglect…

Littrell can not finish this season.

Did letting Benford finish the season devastate the basketball program? Hardly. 
 

We never recovered from Portland State? Care to explain? I remember 2017 and 2018 being our best years since the early 2000s. 

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25 minutes ago, meanJewGreen said:

To be fair, if you were in Wrens shoes in 2018, after back to back 9 win seasons and a CUSA championship appearance you would’ve extended him too.

hindsight is always 20/20

And before that a lot of people complained how cheap we were with coaching salaries. You can’t have it both ways. 

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3 minutes ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

Did letting Benford finish the season devastate the basketball program? Hardly. 
 

We never recovered from Portland State? Care to explain? I remember 2017 and 2018 being our best years since the early 2000s. 

It’s so obvious sweet summer child that you have zero comprehension of the crowds during JJ’s era and at the end of Benford’s era.

Enjoy getting your clock rang by Temple yearly my guy.

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4 minutes ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

Did letting Benford finish the season devastate the basketball program? Hardly. 
 

We never recovered from Portland State? Care to explain? I remember 2017 and 2018 being our best years since the early 2000s. 

How were the crowds in 2017? 2018? First sellouts?

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1 hour ago, texx2818 said:

I agree, but the damage done by him sticking around is potentially devastating.

We never fully healed from the Portland State loss that occurred by leaving a lame duck head coach for the season…

Basketball obviously is spectacular on the court but the crowds are still suffering from Benford era neglect…

Littrell can not finish this season.

I'm confused by the Portland State comment. The coach was fired before he even left the locker room that day. He wasn't allowed to coach the rest of the season. Dodge was fired mid-season too. The only time RV let a lame duck head football coach finish the season was Dickey and we saw how well that worked out. WB has done some great things but I just don't know if he's willing to do what is necessary and let Littrell go mid-season. I'm afraid he's going to be here until the bitter end. 

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4 minutes ago, texx2818 said:

It’s so obvious sweet summer child that you have zero comprehension of the crowds during JJ’s era and at the end of Benford’s era.

Enjoy getting your clock rang by Temple yearly my guy.

And you think firing Benford mid season would have changed that? Bless your heart. 

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2 minutes ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

And you think firing Benford mid season would have changed that? Bless your heart. 

No, it would’ve shown a commitment to excellence. Damage was already done though. The bless your heart is cute. Gonna go cry to a mod about it?

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