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@GrandGreen I think you're thinking of Erric Pegram.  Reggie Pegram was the transfer from Purdue.  In 13 he was third leading rusher and Byrd was carrying a heavy load back then.  In 14 he was certainly a contributor on a bad team.  I think he's one of the better successes on the aforementioned list of transfers.  He didn't light it up, but I think he was a solid player and a tough runner.

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10 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

I disagree with your premise and many on your list. 

If someone has the time they could make a list of transfers that made a positive difference at NT. 

On the current team for example, Aune is a transfer from Arkansas; good enough to start 2 and probably 3 years, Davis a two year starting in the DB from Texas Tech.  Add in very promising players like Maclin (Missouri) and Jackson (Arkansas).

Pegram at the top of your list, was IMO one of the best RB's ever at NT.  Didn't have the numbers, but a fantastic player; remember NT playing at A&M and how much better Pegram was than their All American Williams. 

Many on your list, played little because of injury or grades not because they were not very talented.  English a prime example. 

Morris was beaten out by arguably the best QB in NT history, Fine.  Ferrell had off field issues.  Many on this list were very highly recruited out of high school like tops in the nation.   I think if I was coach I would give them a second chance, Terrell and Feidt fall into this category. 

...Exactly.
If you're one of those who are fine with 6 or 7 win seasons, then great!   These guys will get us there consistently because they're good!   I'm not saying Gunnell will be Aune 2.0.    ...but I'm also not saying he won't be.   We don't know.

Also, I think you're talking about Erric Pegram.  Not Reggie.  Surely you don't think Reggie is one of the greatest RBs you've ever seen in your time watching the Mean Green?    But the fact that you would confuse the two (forgetting about Reggie, who, again, wasn't BAD, but wasn't the gamebreaker we hoped as a P5 transfer), is proving my point.

And there's a reason I didn't include Jackson.   Excited about this guy.

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4 minutes ago, tmjerm said:

@GrandGreen I think you're thinking of Erric Pegram.  Reggie Pegram was the transfer from Purdue.  In 13 he was third leading rusher and Byrd was carrying a heavy load back then.  In 14 he was certainly a contributor on a bad team.  I think he's one of the better successes on the aforementioned list of transfers.  He didn't light it up, but I think he was a solid player and a tough runner.

correct, thanks for info.

Pegam was fantastic, Pegram, I don't even remember making your point. 

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7 hours ago, GrandGreen said:

 

On the current team for example, Aune is a transfer from Arkansas; good enough to start 2 and probably 3 years,

you lost me on that rationalization. He wasn't good enough to start. Everyone else was bad enough that its was our only passable choice.

Just cause you have the job doesn't mean you deserve the job. Just ask coach mumbles.

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1 hour ago, Udomann said:

you lost me on that rationalization. He wasn't good enough to start. Everyone else was bad enough that its was our only passable choice.

Just cause you have the job doesn't mean you deserve the job. Just ask coach mumbles.

Problem is, they’ve brought in 4 guys to unseat him so far, and none of them (we don’t know about Gunnell yet) have been able to. 

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2 hours ago, Udomann said:

you lost me on that rationalization. He wasn't good enough to start. Everyone else was bad enough that its was our only passable choice.

Just cause you have the job doesn't mean you deserve the job. Just ask coach mumbles.

He has started and I do believe that is because he in the opinion of the coaches is the best for job.   

That is not rationalization, it is reality. 

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10 hours ago, NorthTexasSportsNetwork said:

Out of that entire list, Darius Terrell did the most. Bush isn’t a bust yet, I agree.

 

28 minutes ago, 97and03 said:

Pegram. 

Terrell could’ve been something with a fully functioning quarterback willing to throw to more than just one particular receiver. Pegram was a bowling ball type short yardage specialist who wasn’t as flashy as Jimmerson or Wilson. I’m proud we can call both Mean Green lettermen.

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On 5/17/2022 at 9:57 AM, MeanGreenTexan said:

Wow.   A lot of you guys have forgotten about guys like:
Darius Terrell
Reggie Pegram
Cam Feldt
Alec Morris
Bryce English
Nick Harvey
Dominique Harrison
Jordan Rucker
Jace Ruder
Jacob Ferrell
Tommy Bush (TBD)

These dudes were highly-rated transfers from big time P5 programs over the past 10 years when they came to UNT... and did (or have done) virtually nothing.  We had a bunch of other also-ran P5 transfers over the years as well:  Reggie Pegram & Jordan Rucker-types who came from P5's but didn't have the crazy offer lists...  So, for every Marcus Trice (THE ONLY P5 TRANSFER WHO MADE A GAME-CHANGING IMPACT OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS!!!!), there are a dozen+ P5 transfer guys who barely did anything.    And then, you have guys like DeAndre Plantin who started a lot, but just underperformed for what his expectations were.

Gunnell not being able to win the Memphis job outright from Henigan (who, admittedly is a fantastic QB) should be a reason for at least a little pause, but some of y'all are full-steam ahead on this guy.   
Same thing with Neville, who was told by a pretty pedestrian Nebraska team that he's not good enough to crack the 2 deep there.  I don't comprehend how y'all can constantly just assume these guys will come here and light it up... history shows they don't.   

I just can't get excited for these kinds of transfers anymore.  Too much heartbreak.   Show me.
 

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On 5/18/2022 at 12:53 PM, MeanGreenTexan said:

...Exactly.
If you're one of those who are fine with 6 or 7 win seasons, then great!   These guys will get us there consistently because they're good!   I'm not saying Gunnell will be Aune 2.0.    ...but I'm also not saying he won't be.   We don't know.

Also, I think you're talking about Erric Pegram.  Not Reggie.  Surely you don't think Reggie is one of the greatest RBs you've ever seen in your time watching the Mean Green?    But the fact that you would confuse the two (forgetting about Reggie, who, again, wasn't BAD, but wasn't the gamebreaker we hoped as a P5 transfer), is proving my point.

And there's a reason I didn't include Jackson.   Excited about this guy.

When in our history have we had consistent 6-7 win seasons?

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10 minutes ago, MeanGreenHoops said:

When in our history have we had consistent 6-7 win seasons?

D1-AA days.  Fry days.  Mitchell Days.  Early 2000's.   Lately.    A lot, believe it or not!

Are you happy with that?   If yes, don't worry!  You're not the only one!   
And again, if that's the expectation, drop the prices, drop the Coaches' salaries, drop the expectations, etc... because this can be achieved rather easily nowdays with competent planning, which we've seen Baker display (Take a look at this upcoming season's schedule!).

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On 5/17/2022 at 9:57 AM, MeanGreenTexan said:

Wow.   A lot of you guys have forgotten about guys like:
Darius Terrell
Reggie Pegram
Cam Feldt
Alec Morris
Bryce English
Nick Harvey
Dominique Harrison
Jordan Rucker
Jace Ruder
Jacob Ferrell
Tommy Bush (TBD)

These dudes were highly-rated transfers from big time P5 programs over the past 10 years when they came to UNT... and did (or have done) virtually nothing.  We had a bunch of other also-ran P5 transfers over the years as well:  Reggie Pegram & Jordan Rucker-types who came from P5's but didn't have the crazy offer lists...  So, for every Marcus Trice (THE ONLY P5 TRANSFER WHO MADE A GAME-CHANGING IMPACT OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS!!!!), there are a dozen+ P5 transfer guys who barely did anything.    And then, you have guys like DeAndre Plantin who started a lot, but just underperformed for what his expectations were.

Gunnell not being able to win the Memphis job outright from Henigan (who, admittedly is a fantastic QB) should be a reason for at least a little pause, but some of y'all are full-steam ahead on this guy.   
Same thing with Neville, who was told by a pretty pedestrian Nebraska team that he's not good enough to crack the 2 deep there.  I don't comprehend how y'all can constantly just assume these guys will come here and light it up... history shows they don't.   

I just can't get excited for these kinds of transfers anymore.  Too much heartbreak.   Show me.
 

I don't disagree. People need to tap the breaks and remember we did lose some proven players to the portal. But I'll add some context to the Gunnell situation. Memphis fans love this kid. They said Gunnell was on his way to being their guy until an injury sidelined him. Henigan came in a earned the starting spot while Gunnell was working his way back. From what I've been told, Gunnell is completely capable of being a premier QB in the AAC for UNT.... if his injuries are behind him. Now, does UNT have someone that can be a Harrell type QB coach for Gunnell? I don't know.

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1 hour ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

I don't disagree. People need to tap the breaks and remember we did lose some proven players to the portal. But I'll add some context to the Gunnell situation. Memphis fans love this kid. They said Gunnell was on his way to being their guy until an injury sidelined him. Henigan came in a earned the starting spot while Gunnell was working his way back. From what I've been told, Gunnell is completely capable of being a premier QB in the AAC for UNT.... if his injuries are behind him. Now, does UNT have someone that can be a Harrell type QB coach for Gunnell? I don't know.

Just another in the long list of "if's" that have to fall in place for this season and coaching staff to be a success.  

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