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DRC Sunday column: Guiding UNT to bowl shows why Seth Littrell is great fit with Mean Green


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22 minutes ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

No crap it's a quality win! But you and others are still trying to downplay the win because of these "advantages". Like we had no shot at winning if it wasn't raining. It's just a sad attempt to justify your agenda that Littrell shouldn't be back next year. 

Are you still going on the CUSA forum claiming the UNT fanbase is going to revolt if Littrell is brought back? Hopefully that board knows you don't speak for the fanbase and sees how downvoted you are here. 

A faction of the fan base will revolt. That's just the truth. Also, I don't care about down votes. You should know that  by now. I've been on this board for a decade, and I'll still be here long after Littrell is gone. Wren too for that matter.

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3 minutes ago, texx2818 said:

Having tantrums about how we should just be able to pull a brilliant coach out of our ass isn’t productive. Who would you hire to replace Seth if Wren fired him Friday? Funny you bring up Texas because Texas just does what y’all think we should do, just with more money.

I’ll hang up and listen.

Texas is run by big money donors that don't know football. That's why they continue to hire the wrong guy.

There are plenty of coaches that would be better than Littrell. Patterson would even have to move from Fort Worth. Doc Holiday was winning at Marshall with fewer resources. Skip Holts owned Littrell and won several bowls at LA Tech. Kindle Briles still hasn't been hire as a head coach. I'll post more later.

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7 minutes ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

Texas is run by big money donors that don't know football. That's why they continue to hire the wrong guy.

There are plenty of coaches that would be better than Littrell. Patterson would even have to move from Fort Worth. Doc Holiday was winning at Marshall with fewer resources. Skip Holts owned Littrell and won several bowls at LA Tech. Kindle Briles still hasn't been hire as a head coach. I'll post more later.

So you think our fanbase wouldn’t “revolt” (lol) at a Briles at UNT? Most of our fanbase just goes to games for a photo op.

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10 minutes ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

Seth Littrell is the weak link on our program. Those are just the facts. I can't help it if you don't like the truth.

This is an opinion and based on your own subjective expectations. Your “truth” does not mirror the truth of the majority. Most of us are in wait and see mode. Most of us wrote Seth off for dead in mid-October; then he did something beyond what most of us thought was reasonably possible. One more season to see where this momentum goes does little to no harm. Blowing it all up prematurely has the potential to do tremendous harm.

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9 minutes ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

Patterson would even have to move from Fort Worth. Doc Holiday was winning at Marshall with fewer resources. Skip Holts owned Littrell and won several bowls at LA Tech. Kindle Briles still hasn't been hire as a head coach. I'll post more later.

If these are the names that you think are so far ahead of Seth and will take us to that “next level”, I don’t even need to continue debating you and thank goodness Wren is running the show because you’d push that stick forward and put us right in the dirt. I thought you wanted to win. Doc Holliday won one CUSA title in 11 seasons. Skip Holtz didn’t win a single CUSA title in 9 seasons at LaTech. Gary Patterson is a clown that got chased away because he thought he was untouchable. We don’t want that headache. Enjoy your role as the “anybody but Seth” carnival barker but I can’t take you seriously. Do a little more research and make sure your own candidates meet your expectations before posting. 

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3 hours ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

A faction of the fan base will revolt. That's just the truth. Also, I don't care about down votes. You should know that  by now. I've been on this board for a decade, and I'll still be here long after Littrell is gone. Wren too for that matter.

Who cares? You are just a side show. GMG 

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3 hours ago, texx2818 said:

So you think our fanbase wouldn’t “revolt” (lol) at a Briles at UNT? Most of our fanbase just goes to games for a photo op.

No. most of our fan base stays tailgating because Seth isn't good enough to draw them into Apogee. Most of the locals and alumni that would support us just stay home.

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3 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

This is an opinion and based on your own subjective expectations. Your “truth” does not mirror the truth of the majority. Most of us are in wait and see mode. Most of us wrote Seth off for dead in mid-October; then he did something beyond what most of us thought was reasonably possible. One more season to see where this momentum goes does little to no harm. Blowing it all up prematurely has the potential to do tremendous harm.

There are no "my truth" or "your truth". There are just the facts. The facts are the truth. And the facts say Littrell is a .500 coach in C-USA. That shouldn't be acceptable to any UNT fan. How many more "one more season" arguments will we have to endure? We heard the same thing after last season's poor performance.

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2 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

If these are the names that you think are so far ahead of Seth and will take us to that “next level”, I don’t even need to continue debating you and thank goodness Wren is running the show because you’d push that stick forward and put us right in the dirt. I thought you wanted to win. Doc Holliday won one CUSA title in 11 seasons. Skip Holtz didn’t win a single CUSA title in 9 seasons at LaTech. Gary Patterson is a clown that got chased away because he thought he was untouchable. We don’t want that headache. Enjoy your role as the “anybody but Seth” carnival barker but I can’t take you seriously. Do a little more research and make sure your own candidates meet your expectations before posting. 

It's true. Every coach I named has flaws... but even so, they have all done more then Littrell and would be better then continuing to fail under Littrell. Funny, you want me to do more research on candidates, but fail to realize what the research says about Littrell. And, your twisting my opinion. I'm in favor of hiring a better coach, not just any coach. That would be stupid. But I guess it 's easier to misrepresent my position than to use facts and argue in favor of Seth's accomplishments.

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20 minutes ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

There are no "my truth" or "your truth". There are just the facts. The facts are the truth. And the facts say Littrell is a .500 coach in C-USA. That shouldn't be acceptable to any UNT fan. How many more "one more season" arguments will we have to endure? We heard the same thing after last season's poor performance.

Meet Johnny.  Johnny is my employee.  3 years and a total ace.  Perfect attendance.  Goes out of his way to help others.  Exceeds sales.  Then one day, Johnny flips.  He shows up every other day for a week.  Grumpy.  Coworkers are complaining.  I pull him into my office to talk.  He flips me off, says he is fine, then pukes on his way out the door.

By your logic, we keep Johnny.  His career is stellar.  We don't care about this recent streak.

....isn't that absurd?

Inversely, I walk into work one day ready to fire Suzy.  Suzy has been awful from the beginning.  Why did we waste so many months on this girl? I show up ready to "have the talk", but she's clearly different.  The employees love her.  She came in on time and made a sales record.  I hold off.  After 7 days, she is employee of the week.  I pull her aside, and say "look, you've been great. Let's keep it up." I've explained to her that she needs to keep this up for her employement here to continue.

But, you wouldn't want that.  Because of Suzy's "big picture".

...I know I'm not going to change your mind.  I just can't escape the idea that you deep down think this team under SL will never be better than 0.500.  Just come out and say that, and I think it'd feel less confrontational.  This "big picture" take just seems stubborn and illogical.

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3 hours ago, UNT 90 Grad said:

Not sure where you are going with this, but I agree with you.  He was a fantastic hire by Littrell. 

Not so sure this was a Littrell hire. I think the higher ups made the move because Littrell needed help, was not good at picking assistants and  it was a lot less expensive  than firing Littrell. 

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2 minutes ago, meangreenbob said:

Not so sure this was a Littrell hire. I think the higher ups made the move because Littrell needed help, was not good at picking assistants and  it was a lot less expensive  than firing Littrell. 

The odds of that being true are miniscule. 

You really think Baker would have a hc, he has so little faith in that he would not allow to pick his own staff?

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52 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Meet Johnny.  Johnny is my employee.  3 years and a total ace.  Perfect attendance.  Goes out of his way to help others.  Exceeds sales.  Then one day, Johnny flips.  He shows up every other day for a week.  Grumpy.  Coworkers are complaining.  I pull him into my office to talk.  He flips me off, says he is fine, then pukes on his way out the door.

By your logic, we keep Johnny.  His career is stellar.  We don't care about this recent streak.

....isn't that absurd?

Inversely, I walk into work one day ready to fire Suzy.  Suzy has been awful from the beginning.  Why did we waste so many months on this girl? I show up ready to "have the talk", but she's clearly different.  The employees love her.  She came in on time and made a sales record.  I hold off.  After 7 days, she is employee of the week.  I pull her aside, and say "look, you've been great. Let's keep it up." I've explained to her that she needs to keep this up for her employement here to continue.

But, you wouldn't want that.  Because of Suzy's "big picture".

...I know I'm not going to change your mind.  I just can't escape the idea that you deep down think this team under SL will never be better than 0.500.  Just come out and say that, and I think it'd feel less confrontational.  This "big picture" take just seems stubborn and illogical.

Weird, I thought you were going somewhere with the first example, but you truncated it (SLs first 3 years here, then the puke/flip-off stuff for 2.5 yrs).  PIggybacking though, if in every attempt to help Johnny succeed in Q3 & Q4 after 2.5yrs of flipping-off/puking, you lowered some standards and he knocked them out, would you still want to bring him back if you knew there would be a very qualified pool of replacement candidates?  I mean, what if he starts back up again as soon as the standards are raised back up again?

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15 minutes ago, meangreenbob said:

Not so sure this was a Littrell hire. I think the higher ups made the move because Littrell needed help, was not good at picking assistants and  it was a lot less expensive  than firing Littrell. 

Bennett is 100% here for Littrell & saved his job.  Seth would be wise to take his entire bowl game bonus & just Zelle it all to Bennett.

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1 hour ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

There are no "my truth" or "your truth". There are just the facts. The facts are the truth. And the facts say Littrell is a .500 coach in C-USA. That shouldn't be acceptable to any UNT fan. How many more "one more season" arguments will we have to endure? We heard the same thing after last season's poor performance.

Technically he is 5 games above .500 in CUSA. 

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