This will end college football as we know it

[MeanGreen_MBA]

The good news is, we won’t have to worry about realignment and getting into the right conference. 
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32305904/national-labor-relations-board-college-football-players-employees-unionize

 

[El Paso Eagle]

So if they are employees does that mean that all benefits should be taxable? Should their meal plans, health care, expenses all be taxable?

[untbowler]

1 minute ago, El Paso Eagle said:

So if they are employees does that mean that all benefits should be taxable? Should their meal plans, health care, expenses all be taxable?

it should be taxable, be careful what you wish for... law of unintended consequences in search of $$$

[untjim1995]

9 minutes ago, untbowler said:

it should be taxable, be careful what you wish for... law of unintended consequences in search of $$$

Well, we need taxes to pay down our national debt...way to go federal government!!

 

Sarcasm

[meangreenbob]

Does it really matter anymore?

 

 

 

[DeepGreen]

Unionization will ruin college sports.  Remember the price you paid this year for those Club Seats and between the 20 yard line seats.  They are about to double.  This is going to be bad for sports.  Really bad.

[Mean Green Matt]

11 minutes ago, DeepGreen said:

Unionization will ruin college sports.  Remember the price you paid this year for those Club Seats and between the 20 yard line seats.  They are about to double.  This is going to be bad for sports.  Really bad.

It was kind of already ruined…at least by traditional standards. It was inevitable when this became a billion dollar industry or whatever it is. 

[MeanGreenTexan]

1 hour ago, MeanGreen_MBA said:

The good news is, we won’t have to worry about realignment and getting into the right conference. 
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32305904/national-labor-relations-board-college-football-players-employees-unionize

 

It specifically mentions private schools, where tuition is $50k+/yr.    Is this lawyer suggesting that these institutions pay their football players enough money to cover tuition plus whatever amount over that they want, which could easily go over $100k/yr (and that's without NIL deals), only for the students to have to declare all of that as income & pay taxes?    What are you going to be paying your deep snapper or 3rd string Left Guard?   Just enough to cover whatever a scholarship used to cover?  ...Instead, now these poor role-players have to pay taxes on this money, whereas they didn't have to before!

It's going to require these universities to hire financial advisors specifically for their sports programs, because the last thing you're going to want to do is set your student-athletes, sorry, "employees", up to owe $15-20k in taxes each year, them not be prepared for that, and graduate with IRS problems.   Not a good look.

Edited September 29, 2021 by MeanGreenTexan

[El Paso Eagle]

21 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

It specifically mentions private schools, where tuition is $50k+/yr.    Is this lawyer suggesting that these institutions pay their football players enough money to cover tuition plus whatever amount over that they want, which could easily go over $100k/yr (and that's without NIL deals), only for the students to have to declare all of that as income & pay taxes?    What are you going to be paying your deep snapper or 3rd string Left Guard?   Just enough to cover whatever a scholarship used to cover?  ...Instead, now these poor role-players have to pay taxes on this money, whereas they didn't have to before!

It's going to require these universities to hire financial advisors specifically for their sports programs, because the last thing you're going to want to do is set your student-athletes, sorry, "employees", up to owe $15-20k in taxes each year, them not be prepared for that, and graduate with IRS problems.   Not a good look.

Seems very quickly it will not be worth it for these schools to field teams, especially as large as football. Are we ready for College Club Football? 

[DeepGreen]

3 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

owe $15-20k in taxes each year, them not be prepared for that, and graduate with IRS problems. 

That’s if they graduate.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

Inevitable. I think we can all agree that college football is losing its shine. Shame. 

[letsgiveacheer]

34 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Inevitable. I think we can all agree that college football is losing its shine. Shame. 

That happened a long time ago.

Does anyone else think it odd that the president of UNT is the fourth highest paid employee on campus?

[untjim1995]

It’s going to be a situation where the Power Teams can afford this stupidity and the rest of us will play true, amateur college football. The Power Teams will pay incomes, we will give scholarships. 
 

To be honest, I’d be fine with that happening.

[Mean Green Matt]

2 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

It’s going to be a situation where the Power Teams can afford this stupidity and the rest of us will play true, amateur college football. The Power Teams will pay incomes, we will give scholarships. 
 

To be honest, I’d be fine with that happening.

Same. And there will be a lot of teams right there with us. We prob still won’t win a national championship though…

[eulessismore]

9 minutes ago, Mean Green Matt said:

Same. And there will be a lot of teams right there with us. We prob still won’t win a national championship though…

I can see a way it could be feasible at UNT, but I don't think anyone here wants to go down to FCS level.

[Mean Green 93-98]

5 hours ago, Mean Green Matt said:

It was kind of already ruined…at least by traditional standards. It was inevitable when this became a billion dollar industry or whatever it is. 

Yep.  And attending a college football game before TV timeouts existed was a far more cohesive experience.

[Mean Green Matt]

7 hours ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

Yep.  And attending a college football game before TV timeouts existed was a far more cohesive experience.

You mean media timeouts for the Facebook stream 257 people are watching?

[Mean Green Matt]

7 hours ago, eulessismore said:

I can see a way it could be feasible at UNT, but I don't think anyone here wants to go down to FCS level.

This is a serious question: would we even be in the FCS top 25 right now?

[TheColonyEagle]

4 hours ago, Mean Green Matt said:

This is a serious question: would we even be in the FCS top 25 right now?

No way

[TheColonyEagle]

I'm fine with this. Pay them a bunch of money, but don't pay for their tuition, books, room and board, etc.

Treat them like every other student employee. The kid that works for Starbucks on campus makes what...$10 bucks an hour? And the company that kid works for "makes millions off the backs of that poor kid" But unless that kid has an academic scholarship, they're paying for everything else. So treat the football players the same. Football players "work" 60 hours a week? Fine, pay overtime. Make them punch a clock when they come in.

Pay them....but if you lose your position or play bad, you're fired because you are no use to the school anymore. Late to practice? written warning....late to 3 practices? fired. Just like the kid at Starbucks.

Give them what they ask for.  You want to get paid like an employee, you'll get treated like an employee.

Just do it already and get it over with. I have no problem with this. Let's do away with athletic scholarships all together.

[El Paso Eagle]

7 hours ago, TheColonyEagle said:

 

Give them what they ask for.  You want to get paid like an employee, you'll get treated like an employee.

 

Like this idea. There are already stories with NIL where players are coming to coaches saying they didn't realize that their "bosses" who be putting pressure on them to perform well and getting upset if they don't.

Also, let's get rid of the preferred scheduling and holding, or adding spaces in "easy" classes for athletes - let them struggle to get in the classes they want like other students. While were at it, make them qualify for admissions like other students. No more special admissions just because they can play a sport. 

Edited September 30, 2021 by El Paso Eagle

[SilverEagle]

13 hours ago, letsgiveacheer said:

That happened a long time ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was told, by a Harvard graduate that I was working with (in construction no less), that all of the Ivy League schools saw this happening back in the 50's and made the decision to not play that game. And as a result, (supposedly) none of the Ivy league schools have football scholarships.

[Withers940]

[SilverEagle]

I remember seeing this movie "Saturdays Heros" on TCM a few years ago, and even though it was made in 1937, the basic issues were still the same as today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday's_Heroes

Plot[edit]

Val Webster is the quarterback of Calton College's football team, but besides dealing with criticism of his play, Val needs money, which he gets by scalping tickets to the games.

A teammate, Ted Calkins, commits suicide after being caught moonlighting at a job, and Val's ticket scheme is exposed as well, causing university president Hammond to expel him. Disgusted by the hypocrisy in college athletics, where the school reaps hundreds of thousands of dollars while the athletes stay broke, Val teams with sportswriter Red Watson to bring attention to the matter, with girlfriend Frances providing moral support.

[Hunter Green]

19 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

So if they are employees does that mean that all benefits should be taxable? Should their meal plans, health care, expenses all be taxable?

Democrats will make sure of that!