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8 hours ago, 97and03 said:

Also ready to consider Trice.

If they bump Petrilli up to special teams coordinator, he could be his replacement as a quality control analyst.

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No disrespect intended but we are talking about a FBS coordinator job here. Outside of already being on staff (a staff that many have wanted fired) what qualifies him for this position? If he was highly regarded by Biagi, why didn’t he follow him out like John David Baker did Graham Harrell? Put me in the Tommy Perry camp. The guy showed he can coach special team and has also proven to be a fantastic recruiter of #bEASTTexas. My recollection is that he recruited Jeff Wilson.

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I was thinking we should just go out and find a well-qualified FCS Special Teams coach to come in and fill this role.   But after checking out this thread and looking at Coach Petrilli's resume, I found this:

"Petrilli was a volunteer on the staff the past two seasons, working with Special Teams Coordinator Marty Biagi.

Petrilli previously served as the defensive backs and returners coach for Drake University (FCS) where he helped guide return specialist Terry Wallen and defensive back Caz Zyks to All-PFL honors.  Wallen finished 2nd in the nation (FCS) in punt returns with an average of 14.8 and 1 TD."

 

OK.   I could rock with Coach Petrilli if he were the hire.

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13 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

No disrespect intended but we are talking about a FBS coordinator job here. Outside of already being on staff (a staff that many have wanted fired) what qualifies him for this position? If he was highly regarded by Biagi, why didn’t he follow him out like John David Baker did Graham Harrell? Put me in the Tommy Perry camp. The guy showed he can coach special team and has also proven to be a fantastic recruiter of #bEASTTexas. My recollection is that he recruited Jeff Wilson.

Pay attention.
https://goutsa.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/tommy-perry/1065

He's not moving laterally from a place that has DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP  East Texas ties, to a place that fired him.

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8 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Pay attention.
https://goutsa.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/tommy-perry/1065

He's not moving laterally from a place that has DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP  East Texas ties, to a place that fired him.

I would rather make the effort than resign ourselves to just promoting a guy from within because he is here and used to work with a guy that got hired away. ST coordinator has been a position of one of our too recruiters going all the way back to the McCarney days. Perry, Biagi, and Ek were all very good recruiters. Biagi made his name on a fake fair catch that embarrassed a P5 team. Perry was out there dialing up punt blocks against Georgia.

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9 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

I would rather make the effort than resign ourselves to just promoting a guy from within because he is here and used to work with a guy that got hired away. ST coordinator has been a position of one of our too recruiters going all the way back to the McCarney days. Perry, Biagi, and Ek were all very good recruiters. Biagi made his name on a fake fair catch that embarrassed a P5 team. Perry was out there dialing up punt blocks against Georgia.

Make what effort?

"Hey Tommy, I know I fired you before, and you've got the ST's gig at UTSA so it'd be a lateral move, and you & Traylor have every part of Texas East of Greenville locked-down recruiting-wise, and you'd likely love nothing more than sticking it to me every chance we meet...   but Hey!  Come on back!  Have you seen the new Practice Facility?  Go Mean Green!"

Brother, it's a no-go.   Just don't even consider Coach Perry.  It ain't happening.

There will be a laundry list of people applying for this job.   Coach Perry won't be one of them, and that's OK.

And if it's Petrilli, that's fine too.

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40 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

just promoting a guy from within because he is here and used to work with a guy that got hired away.

Weird take. Lots of evidence of successful programs okay hiring from within when one of their own gets hired away. “He is here and used to work with a guy that got hired away” fits the description of literally all of those turnovers.

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25 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

There will be a laundry list of people applying for this job.   Coach Perry won't be one of them, and that's OK.

And if it's Petrilli, that's fine too.

I feel about Petrilli the way many feel about Passwaters. I look the other way on Passwaters because position coaches typically teach technique while coordinators teach and develop scheme. Bennett is why I dont worry more about Passwaters lack of experience. For this special teams coordinator position, I’d like someone who has proven schemes. I understand you w that Perry wouldn’t even consider this place but I’d like someone with his experience and similar schemes.

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4 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Weird take. Lots of evidence of successful programs okay hiring from within when one of their own gets hired away. “He is here and used to work with a guy that got hired away” fits the description of literally all of those turnovers.

Any evidence in modern North Texas history? There are plenty of P5 position coaches ready to step up as coordinators. Im not sure of many G5 quality control coaches ready to jump straight to coordinator.

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6 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

I feel about Petrilli the way many feel about Passwaters. I look the other way on Passwaters because position coaches typically teach technique while coordinators teach and develop scheme. Bennett is why I dont worry more about Passwaters lack of experience. For this special teams coordinator position, I’d like someone who has proven schemes. I understand you w that Perry wouldn’t even consider this place but I’d like someone with his experience and similar schemes.

At least Petrilli has experience as a ST Coordinator at some level.  Passwaters has zero experience on the defensive side of the ball at all.  He has fewer skins on the wall than Petrilli by far.   Petrilli has ST's experience at 3 different schools in addition to working with Biagi here for 2 years.   He's qualified enough to throw his hat in the ring for sure.    Now, hopefully we get some coaches with better qualifications to apply and Littrell makes the right call.

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We all know what Passwaters got the job, we don't need to make more of those hires........

I sure it was part of the deal to get Bennet,  my son in law needs a job and I want to see my daughter.......so part of the deal is him.

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12 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

At least Petrilli has experience as a ST Coordinator at some level.  Passwaters has zero experience on the defensive side of the ball at all.  He has fewer skins on the wall than Petrilli by far.   Petrilli has ST's experience at 3 different schools in addition to working with Biagi here for 2 years.   He's qualified enough to throw his hat in the ring for sure.    Now, hopefully we get some coaches with better qualifications to apply and Littrell makes the right call.

Passwaters is a position coach only and was a grad assistant working with the defense in 2017. Remember again Passwaters is a package deal to get Bennett and if you don’t take Passwaters, you don’t get Bennett and we’d be on our next Bowen-level failure at DC.

For Petrilli, in regards to special teams, I see 4 years at an Idaho high school coaching returners, assisting with ST for one season at Charleston Southern, special teams coach at college of Idaho for 2 seasons, one season QC at Boise, one season assisting with ST at Drake, and 2 years as a volunteer assistant working with Biagi. I like having the guy on staff but I’m not willing to hand him the keys to one of our 3 phases just yet. Now, if our ST coordinator gets arrested 2 days before the season then I am all in on making him ST coordinator.

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49 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Passwaters is a position coach only and was a grad assistant working with the defense in 2017. Remember again Passwaters is a package deal to get Bennett and if you don’t take Passwaters, you don’t get Bennett and we’d be on our next Bowen-level failure at DC.

For Petrilli, in regards to special teams, I see 4 years at an Idaho high school coaching returners, assisting with ST for one season at Charleston Southern, special teams coach at college of Idaho for 2 seasons, one season QC at Boise, one season assisting with ST at Drake, and 2 years as a volunteer assistant working with Biagi. I like having the guy on staff but I’m not willing to hand him the keys to one of our 3 phases just yet. Now, if our ST coordinator gets arrested 2 days before the season then I am all in on making him ST coordinator.

He is well liked by the players. And he ideologies differ from the previous coach. I think alot of things that frustrated the fans with the past ST, will be a thing of the past (ie running kicks offs to the 15 yards line...when you could have fair caught the kick off and got it on the 25, roughing the punter penalties and drop punts to name a few). Coach P has had multiple offers to leave UNT since his arrival.. but he really likes UNT and the area. I say give him the shot. No one was jumping up and down about Perry or Biagi when they were hired. But both had success while here. Also it should be noted that ST would have been much better when Biagi was here if the DC at the time would have let him use more of his players on the defense 2 deep. At times Biagi last season he was using all third string and walk on players on KO. 

 

Side Note there is better odds of me becoming head coach than Perry rejoining the staff while Littrell is head coach.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

He is well liked by the players. And he ideologies differ from the previous coach. I think alot of things that frustrated the fans with the past ST, will be a thing of the past (ie running kicks out to the 15 yards line...when you could have fair caught the kick of and got it on the 25, roughing the punter penalties and drop punts to name a few). Coach P has had multiple offers to leave UNT since his arrival.. but he really like UNT and the area. I say give him the shot. No one was jumping up and down about Perry or Biagi when they were hired. But both had success while here. Also it should be noted that ST would have been much better when Biagi was here if the DC at the time would have let him use more of his players on the defense 2 deep. At times Biagi last season he was using all third string and walk on players on KO. 

 

Side Note there is better odds of me becoming head coach than Perry rejoining the staff while Littrell is head coach.

 

 

Thanks for that.

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5 hours ago, southsideguy said:

We all know what Passwaters got the job, we don't need to make more of those hires........

I sure it was part of the deal to get Bennet,  my son in law needs a job and I want to see my daughter.......so part of the deal is him.

It Seth's presser yesterday when he spoke of the other new coaches he talked about their experience, when it came to Passwaters ... "He's Family". Hell of a qualification!

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We can choose to bitch and complain about Passwaters hiring or we can choose to hope for his success, but you all have to know that the coaching profession is sometimes more about who you know than what you know.  I do know this, SL and PB can neither afford to have him fail.  PB will be heavily involved to help insure his success.

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2 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

Any evidence in modern North Texas history? There are plenty of P5 position coaches ready to step up as coordinators.

 Isn't Boise State a good example? Always hiring from within.  Consistent success.

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Im not sure of many G5 quality control coaches ready to jump straight to coordinator.


I don't know how big a leap this is, and whether or not it has been done before.

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4 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

We can choose to bitch and complain about Passwaters hiring or we can choose to hope for his success, but you all have to know that the coaching profession is sometimes more about who you know than what you know.  I do know this, SL and PB can neither afford to have him fail.  PB will be heavily involved to help insure his success.

Don't get me wrong, I hope he ends up kicking butt. That said, there is no doubt he is not qualified, at least on paper, and this had to have been one of PB's "conditions". You can also question how he is making the salary he is - we could of got a lot of experienced interest for $100K. Bottom line he is here and I hope he succeeds. 

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