Should Coach Wallis be let go?

[TruthWins 32]

1 minute ago, El Paso Eagle said:

Very valid. Could also ask what if that was your, father/brother that was being accused? Would you want them to get due process?

 

I would want “evidence” hard evidence that proves he was “quilty” not just a teenager who wants mother F’ing attention. 

[greenminer 11,567]

4 minutes ago, TruthWins said:

I would ask what happened, when she said that it happened during practices and game i would say well how the hell has someone not seen this happen? Oh ok keep trying with more bs to make Wallis look bad. When he comes back after he wins in court.. And UNT starts scoring more and more and more then your whole narrative will Change and you will want him to stay. 

I'm not picking a side here, but would point out that a ton of parents would not share your sentiment.

My family has a very personal experience in line with what you're arguing.  I wouldn't make any assumptions about anybody here.  But I do think this is a situation where 1) most parents will run through walls and shoot people if their own kids simply claimed to be violated and, unfortunately 2) careers/lives can be unjustly ruined because of this.

Edited September 4, 2020 by greenminer

[MeanGreenDan 1,782]

1 hour ago, TruthWins said:

One girl said he did it, got 1 other girl to say it happened. Without any freaking hard evidence you can’t ruin someone’s life nor career over the word of 2 teenage girls.... For them it’s all about attention. There was 0 evidence nor did anyone see it. Therefore it didn’t F’ing happen. You think a coach will touch a girl on the sidelines during a practice or game and have nobody F’ing see it? Are y’all nuts or delusional? And to reportedly do it over and over without anyone seeing it? No players, no coaches, no other head trainer saw it. So what Do you think really happened here folks.....

Ok Tate

[Mrs. Esterhouse 27]

32 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

Not Tate. I have heard the exact story @TruthWinsis saying. This is nothing more than an anti Art Briles regime hit led by Brenda Tracy.  The truth will eventually come to light. 
 

if this was anyone else besides a member of Art Briles old staff this would have been over with when Argyle High School investigating came back with not a damn thing. 

Except they've spent months investigating the claims and felt there was enough evidence to arrest him. 

[Mrs. Esterhouse 27]

1 hour ago, TruthWins said:

I would want “evidence” hard evidence that proves he was “quilty” not just a teenager who wants mother F’ing attention. 

I doubt they'd arrest him without evidence. it takes a big man to insult a teenage girl on the internet. People like you are why so many victims never come forward. Also, it's guilty and not quilty. 

[Mrs. Esterhouse 27]

3 hours ago, TruthWins said:

There was a investigation done by Argyle ISD that went no where because it was all bullsh*t. And bringing up the Baylor crap is bs. Grow up and think about if a guy who is trying to get back to being a d1 coach because of something out of his control and he had to leave would do this to jeopardize his career then you are outright disgusting and stupid. 

Out of his control? He was suspended by the NCAA for his own actions. 

[MeanGreenDan 1,782]

40 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

Not Tate. I have heard the exact story @TruthWinsis saying. This is nothing more than an anti Art Briles regime hit led by Brenda Tracy.  The truth will eventually come to light. 
 

if this was anyone else besides a member of Art Briles old staff this would have been over with when Argyle High School investigating came back with not a damn thing. 

Sure, six months of a coordinated investigation between a half dozen law enforcement agencies, but it's just a baseless smear campaign. And the truth has not come out in those hundreds, if not thousands, of investigative hours, but it will come out now that it's public. 

Got it.

[GrandGreen 8,744]

4 hours ago, bstnsportsfan3 said:

How was NT suppose to have any knowledge of this? The investigation didn’t start until March of 2020, 3 months after he was hired at NT. 

I would assume that most college coaches got through a semi-stringent review before they are hired.  Most contracts are completed using agents and their credibility is at stake if they don't do a full review.  

It is pretty obvious even to a simpleton like me that NT couldn't have know about the criminal complaint before it happened. It is entirely possible that due to the age of the victim that it was kept secret until a formal complaint. 

What is not obvious is what extent NT did their due diligence on this hire.  Did they talk to his former employers and get good reviews?

Maybe NT did and the coach turns out to entirely innocent.  However, it seems reading various reports that his actions were far from a deep secret at Argyle. 

 

 

[MeanGreenTexan 20,877]

4 hours ago, TruthWins said:

Y’all are absolutely gross, y’all do not know this man. Y’all take the word of 2 teenage girls who want attention. Pitiful, haven’t you seen too many careers and lives ruined to girls who want attention? 

Thanks for stopping by Mrs. Wallis!

Hey, have you heard Coach talk any about which QB is actually looking better in practice?  I’d hate for your only posts here to be name calling and such.

[meanrob 2,774]

Great....night before what will already be a weird season and the Mean Green fanbase is eating itself. 

I don't know what to expect tomorrow but I hope after months of craziness I'm pumped to watch NT football. I'm usually an insane eight year old on the night before Christmas on the eve of an UNT football season but right now I'm just UGH. Hopefully that changes when the ball gets kicked off tomorrow. 

[MeanGreenTexan 20,877]

1 hour ago, TheReal_jayD said:

Not Tate. I have heard the exact story @TruthWinsis saying. This is nothing more than an anti Art Briles regime hit led by Brenda Tracy.  The truth will eventually come to light. 
 

if this was anyone else besides a member of Art Briles old staff this would have been over with when Argyle High School investigating came back with not a damn thing. 

This is embarrassing dude.  For real.

[TheTastyGreek 1,655]

1 hour ago, TheReal_jayD said:

Not Tate. I have heard the exact story @TruthWinsis saying. This is nothing more than an anti Art Briles regime hit led by Brenda Tracy.  The truth will eventually come to light. 
 

if this was anyone else besides a member of Art Briles old staff this would have been over with when Argyle High School investigating came back with not a damn thing. 

If I may ask our passionate new friend @TruthWins and @TheReal_jayD here... Just to make absolutely sure I'm clear on this, so I can be ahead of the exoneration and feel better about where thing stand tonight:

A woman named Brenda Tracy who (checking Google for a minute...) runs an advocacy program after being gang raped by Oregon State football players 22 years ago, is out to get Art Briles. 

She worked in a confrontational but polite manner with Briles' own son a few years ago, but she (or the anti-Briles cabal she leads/represents/works for/??) were really just lying in wait for a relatively obscure positional coach to get a second chance at a lower level directional football program coming off of a losing season. 

Once that happens, she/they jump into action. They recruit a teenage girl from the 500-odd female population of the small town high school where this former Baylor positional coach worked for a year (two years?).

Not Art Briles (who also worked at the high school level last year, but apparently wasn't an anti-Briles target in this manner) himself. Not Art Briles' son. But Tate Wallis. He's the target of this underground false assault sleeper cell plan. 

Tracy or her co-conspirators convince a teenage girl in a small Texas town that it's a swell idea to falsely accuse a guy who doesn't even work there anymore of improper behavior. What's the reward for the girl? Apparently, it's... 

2 hours ago, TruthWins said:

 mother F’ing attention. 

...even though the alleged victims are currently anonymous. 

Anyway, they make such a compelling case in convincing this random Argyle teenager how awesome it'll be to participate in this conspiracy, the girl manages to recruit a second Argyle teenager to say it happened to her, too. For attention. Anonymous attention. 

The conspiratorial cabal including Tracy is doing this because it hurts Art Briles reputation more than everything that already happened and effectively ended his career.

6 months later, after extensive investigation by multiple jurisdictions, the complete fiction stands up to all scrutiny, an arrest is made, and here we are. 

Is that what happened? 

 

[MeanGreenTexan 20,877]

4 minutes ago, TheTastyGreek said:

If I may ask our passionate new friend @TruthWins and @TheReal_jayD here... Just to make absolutely sure I'm clear on this, so I can be ahead of the exoneration and feel better about where thing stand tonight:

A woman named Brenda Tracy who (checking Google for a minute...) runs an advocacy program after being gang raped by Oregon State football players 22 years ago, is out to get Art Briles. 

She worked in a confrontational but polite manner with Briles' own son a few years ago, but she (or the anti-Briles cabal she leads/represents/works for/??) were really just lying in wait for a relatively obscure positional coach to get a second chance at a lower level directional football program coming off of a losing season. 

Once that happens, she/they jump into action. They recruit a teenage girl from the 500-odd female population of the small town high school where this former Baylor positional coach worked for a year (two years?).

Not Art Briles (who also worked at the high school level last year, but apparently wasn't an anti-Briles target in this manner) himself. Not Art Briles' son. But Tate Wallis. He's the target of this underground false assault sleeper cell plan. 

Tracy or her co-conspirators convince a teenage girl in a small Texas town that it's a swell idea to falsely accuse a guy who doesn't even work there anymore of improper behavior. What's the reward for the girl? Apparently, it's... 

...even though the alleged victims are currently anonymous. 

Anyway, they make such a compelling case in convincing this random Argyle teenager how awesome it'll be to participate in this conspiracy, the girl manages to recruit a second Argyle teenager to say it happened to her, too. For attention. Anonymous attention. 

The conspiratorial cabal including Tracy is doing this because it hurts Art Briles reputation more than everything that already happened and effectively ended his career.

6 months later, after extensive investigation by multiple jurisdictions, the complete fiction stands up to all scrutiny, an arrest is made, and here we are. 

Is that what happened? 

 

Oh!  A man with TRUE insider info!!!

I’m going to help TTG-Anon really gain steam across Denton County.

I eagerly await your next postings with true truth.  You are my leader & have my unrelenting, maniacal support.

[texmusic 116]

Support Tate Wallis

[MeanGreenTexan 20,877]

6 minutes ago, texmusic said:

Support Tate Wallis

So much for the plea deal @97and03!

[TheTastyGreek 1,655]

28 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Oh!  A man with TRUE insider info!!!

I’m going to help TTG-Anon really gain steam across Denton County.

I eagerly await your next postings with true truth.  You are my leader & have my unrelenting, maniacal support.

Buddy, I don't know anything. I'm just trying to make sense of what I'm reading in this thread. 

[Marty 3,784]

40 minutes ago, texmusic said:

Support Tate Wallis

Oh wow. 

[El Paso Eagle 6,045]

Seems we have those who believe that because he was associated with Briles he must be guilty. I guess guilt by association is more important than due process.

Another who says if there was an arrest he must be guilty. Glad to know there are no innocent people in jail after all.

Look, if he is guilty then I hope he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I am in know why advocating I hope he gets away with something; rather asking why the presumption of guilt until proven innocent?

I just wonder if those gathering the torches and gettin ready burn him at the stake have the same feeling all others who get arrested? I guess many are ok with justice being subjective and are for eliminating the premise of have to be proven guilty, instead believe you should have to prove your innocence. and, if you don't like the person they are still guilty even if not convicted.

[El Paso Eagle 6,045]

50 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

So much for the plea deal @97and03!

Whatever the outcome, or his guilt or innocence he is most likely financially ruined.  More than one innocent person has lost everything from defending themselves. Guess he has friends who are willing to stand by him and not walk away from him.

[Cr1028 6,897]

1 hour ago, TheTastyGreek said:

A woman named Brenda Tracy who (checking Google for a minute...) runs an advocacy program after being gang raped by Oregon State football players 22 years ago, is out to get Art Briles. 

She worked in a confrontational but polite manner with Briles' own son a few years ago, but she (or the anti-Briles cabal she leads/represents/works for/??) were really just lying in wait for a relatively obscure positional coach to get a second chance at a lower level directional football program coming off of a losing season. 

Once that happens, she/they jump into action. They recruit a teenage girl from the 500-odd female population of the small town high school where this former Baylor positional coach worked for a year (two years?).

Not Art Briles (who also worked at the high school level last year, but apparently wasn't an anti-Briles target in this manner) himself. Not Art Briles' son. But Tate Wallis. He's the target of this underground false assault sleeper cell plan. 

I agree the recruiting of small town girls to bury an assistant sounds far fetched but as far as why Tracy would want Tate Wallis more than Art Briles, you underestimate their history.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/sports/ncaa/anti-rape-activist-brenda-tracy-wants-baylor-to-cancel-season-after-t-shirt-sales/287-348786146

4 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

Just wondering, if it was found out that you were not guilty (say someone had a problem with you and made up the charge), would you have a way to get retribution from your former employer? Sounds like where you work, and I am sure other places, that have a "fire first ask questions later" policy would be ripe for wrongful termination lawsuits. 

Maybe 20-30 years ago you would’ve had some form of recourse. In Texas, a right-to-work state, with the social media culture we have around this country today, an accusation is as good as a conviction of your employer deals in the public eye. I’m sorry that is the case but it is true in all but the rarest circumstances.

[Cr1028 6,897]

6 hours ago, TruthWins said:

Very inhuman

That’s fair to say but is it right for a FBS football program to have a very important staff position sit essentially vacant the day before the season begins (while trying to develop a new starting quarterback) and for that position to remain vacant indefinitely while the legal process plays out? This could drag out through the entire season or longer. 

6 hours ago, TruthWins said:

One girl said he did it, got 1 other girl to say it happened. Without any freaking hard evidence you can’t ruin someone’s life nor career over the word of 2 teenage girls.... For them it’s all about attention. There was 0 evidence nor did anyone see it. Therefore it didn’t F’ing happen. You think a coach will touch a girl on the sidelines during a practice or game and have nobody F’ing see it? Are y’all nuts or delusional? And to reportedly do it over and over without anyone seeing it? No players, no coaches, no other head trainer saw it. So what Do you think really happened here folks.....

I was unaware that this information was made available publicly.

Edited September 5, 2020 by Cr1028

[TheTastyGreek 1,655]

29 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

I agree the recruiting of small town girls to bury an assistant sounds far fetched but as far as why Tracy would want Tate Wallis more than Art Briles, you underestimate their history.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/sports/ncaa/anti-rape-activist-brenda-tracy-wants-baylor-to-cancel-season-after-t-shirt-sales/287-348786146

Okay, he told her to go away and mind her own business once. She was so thirsty for vengeance that she didn't even name him in interviews about the altercation. 

That makes him a juicier target for this than Briles, or Briles Jr., or the coach at Oregon State that was in charge of the players who assaulted her? 

If that's even what's happening here. I'm desperate for someone to connect the pushpins on the board with red string that makes it clear exactly what the "anti Art Briles regime hit" being behind this means. 

 

[TheTastyGreek 1,655]

13 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

I was unaware that this information was made available publicly.

[TheColonyEagle 5,334]

2 hours ago, meanrob said:

Great....night before what will already be a weird season and the Mean Green fanbase is eating itself. 

I don't know what to expect tomorrow but I hope after months of craziness I'm pumped to watch NT football. I'm usually an insane eight year old on the night before Christmas on the eve of an UNT football season but right now I'm just UGH. Hopefully that changes when the ball gets kicked off tomorrow. 

I haven’t been this disinterested in UNT football since 1997,  the year before I transferred to Denton

I used to feel like early September was like Christmas Eve as a kid.....even when we sucked. Which has been more often than not....

Edited September 5, 2020 by TheColonyEagle

[ChiefTenBeers2015 214]

6 hours ago, TruthWins said:

One girl said he did it, got 1 other girl to say it happened. Without any freaking hard evidence you can’t ruin someone’s life nor career over the word of 2 teenage girls.... For them it’s all about attention. There was 0 evidence nor did anyone see it. Therefore it didn’t F’ing happen. You think a coach will touch a girl on the sidelines during a practice or game and have nobody F’ing see it? Are y’all nuts or delusional? And to reportedly do it over and over without anyone seeing it? No players, no coaches, no other head trainer saw it. So what Do you think really happened here folks.....

Really?  Since when was the last time you just happened to hear what a girl said about you and whether or not it was true?  What evidence did they have against ya?  Come on now, you know you kinda enjoyed it right?