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7 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Because it is classless and makes our students appear that way. I thought that was pretty clear. I also listed reasons earlier in my post and nobody has countered that with anything other than it is a college sporting event which is no reason. 

You were clear. I think it is also pretty evident that that’s not enough for them to care.

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11 hours ago, DeepGreen said:

Do you have children?

How is that relevant? I hope my children have better understanding of context than you all do. I don't think treating my kids like they're dumb is how to do it. The world is the way it is and trying to pretend it isn't doesn't seem great for their development.

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56 minutes ago, meangreenthirteen said:

How is that relevant? I hope my children have better understanding of context than you all do. I don't think treating my kids like they're dumb is how to do it. The world is the way it is and trying to pretend it isn't doesn't seem great for their development.

Yeah teaching your kids to have class and be respectful is way overrated.  I tend to want to teach my kids to do the right thing, not conform to what the world is doing.  

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The transformation of home North Texas games from being family friendly has certainly affected my attendance in recent years.  It goes beyond that moronic chant, but that certainly plays a part in it.  I have attended several away games over the years, and have never seen anything comparable to the rudeness and vulgarity.  There are many factors that make it very difficult for me to attend games at Apogee, but the present environment doesn't make me want to torture myself and my family to attend like I used to in the past.  If the drunk spring break atmosphere of Apogee can help keep away a diehard like me, I imagine it can drive away a lot of the Denton community on the fence.

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54 minutes ago, NT93 said:

Yeah teaching your kids to have class and be respectful is way overrated.  I tend to want to teach my kids to do the right thing, not conform to what the world is doing.  

And maybe sheltering from a situation where they'd be faced with making that decision isn't the best way to think? Teaching your children to be good people and sheltering them from the world seem like conflicted ideals in my mind. I'm old. I don't feel the need to do the chant. But it's funny and has personality. I don't think it's quite the scourge some would have you think.

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45 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

The transformation of home North Texas games from being family friendly has certainly affected my attendance in recent years.  It goes beyond that moronic chant, but that certainly plays a part in it.  I have attended several away games over the years, and have never seen anything comparable to the rudeness and vulgarity.  There are many factors that make it very difficult for me to attend games at Apogee, but the present environment doesn't make me want to torture myself and my family to attend like I used to in the past.  If the drunk spring break atmosphere of Apogee can help keep away a diehard like me, I imagine it can drive away a lot of the Denton community on the fence.

That must be why the crowds are getting smaller and smaller...

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57 minutes ago, NT93 said:

Yeah teaching your kids to have class and be respectful is way overrated.  I tend to want to teach my kids to do the right thing, not conform to what the world is doing.  

Also don't wanna get too philosophical, but teaching your kids to do the right thing and conforming to the world aren't always mutually exclusive.

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I feel my job as a parent is to teach my children to stand above myself, to be better people and grow beyond my own worth. Exposure can teach discernment, but also breeds callousness. I can teach them that much. But why would I willingly subject them to that lesson?

 

By your reasoning, I could put porn on TV but it's my job to teach them to look away?

 

Nothing personal. Just a very passionate daddy 🙂

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31 minutes ago, meangreenthirteen said:

And maybe sheltering from a situation where they'd be faced with making that decision isn't the best way to think? Teaching your children to be good people and sheltering them from the world seem like conflicted ideals in my mind. I'm old. I don't feel the need to do the chant. But it's funny and has personality. I don't think it's quite the scourge some would have you think.

I never said anything about sheltering them from it, but there probably is an age or level of maturity that a child needs to have to be exposed to “adult” things.  I’d just try get across to them that it’s not in line with my values and hopefully teach them to have more respect for themselves and others.  I just think saying “the world is the way it is” is a way to lower the bar on acceptable social norms.

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30 minutes ago, NT93 said:

I never said anything about sheltering them from it, but there probably is an age or level of maturity that a child needs to have to be exposed to “adult” things.  I’d just try get across to them that it’s not in line with my values and hopefully teach them to have more respect for themselves and others.  I just think saying “the world is the way it is” is a way to lower the bar on acceptable social norms.

That's fair. To each their own and I mean no animosity. Just don't think it's that big of a deal.

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On 8/21/2019 at 4:22 PM, UNTLifer said:

A coach cussing you is one thing.  Lord knows I've had my share of butt chewings by many a coach.  My problems with this stupid chant are the following:

1.  It is disrespectful towards our university.

2.  It is yelling MF'er at the top of their lungs during our fight song.  It is easy to tell what is being said from across Apogee.

3.  My youngest looking up and clarifying what he heard and then asking why they would say that about their school.

4.  It is classless.  Don't compare us to LSU.  Their fans are the worst in college football and nothing to aspire to be.

5.  We are North Texas and we are better than that.

Well then, If it's "class" we're worried about, we should follow the example of my graduate institution, which, aside from being the most esteemed and upper-crust group of a-holes in existence, in many ways literally set the expectations for fight songs. Permit me to quote:

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Potentionem [censored],
[censored].
Potentionem
[censored]
[censored]!

[censored],
[censored]!

Potentionem
[censored]
and save some for me!

... well, I can't. The third verse of the 10000 Men is so lurid that even though it's in pig Latin, it's still obvious. And while our football team is now better than that, as an institution, we still have a long way to go. 

On 8/21/2019 at 10:59 PM, 3XNTGRAD said:

My solution would just be to pick up the cadence during that part. If we did the U N T Eagles at a fast pace instead of the super-slow pace they do now (I don't remember the N T S U version being so slow) then there wouldn't be time to add any "extras" into it.

Behold! A reasonable solution! Perish the thought!
 

On 8/23/2019 at 11:33 PM, UNTLifer said:

Because it is classless and makes our students appear that way. I thought that was pretty clear. I also listed reasons earlier in my post and nobody has countered that with anything other than it is a college sporting event which is no reason. 

It's not classless, and it's the expected norm for sports. The last two words of the title of the fight song is "of Harvard." And while I dislike some of their products, and no one has thought less of their graduates because the entire stadium, led by the band, sings about multiple sexual liaisons in public. 

On 8/22/2019 at 9:14 AM, SilverEagle said:

If they want to utter such obscenities at the game (God help us) then let them make up a chant and then use it in the chant.   That way it'll be their own.

It's not just having class,....and it is. But what ever happened to the belief that college was an institution of higher learning. Inserting MF in your school's fight song is an example of "higher learning?". 

One of the old traditions here at good ol' NT was it's very challenging core English requirements. Many a student had to transfer to another school because they could not master the rigors of those NT English professors and their very high standards. Many kids coming out of HS used to go to Jr. College long enough to satisfy the English requirements and then transfer to NT because they knew they couldn't cut it in the English classes at NT. Those professors would be beyond shocked at this current behavior. 

I know that (as Bob Dylan once said) "The times they are a changing". But in this instance......not for the better.

...and in addition to our betters offering the same example, a quick reminder - that vulgar, unacceptable verse was written by young, irresponsible whippersnappers in... 1949. 

College football is part of and inseparable from our culture, which was created by our forebears. Each generation should build on it, which is how traditions form. We need a tradition of people caring, and we need a tradition of a good entrance to the stadium. Part of building both is taking both the baby and the bathwater.

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Well, there you go.  That makes saying motherfu*$%& in our fight song acceptable because Harvard and some other colleges did it.  I guess it is acceptable to type it on here now.  If it is so acceptable, then why do people use symbols when typing the word instead of just typing it out?

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On 8/25/2019 at 6:15 PM, the green rokemi said:

Great discussion guys. Now what about the tradition of "cawing like a crow" in our fight song? (ducks)

Yet another embarrassment to an institution of higher learning. Why in the name of Joshua C. Chilton did someone think that "Caw" was an appropriate thing to utter whilst singing the fight song? 

EAGLES DO NOT MAKE THAT SOUND!! Only Crows and Ravens. Our students look, and sound, ridiculous when they do that. 

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6 hours ago, SilverEagle said:

Yet another embarrassment to an institution of higher learning. Why in the name of Joshua C. Chilton did someone think that "Caw" was an appropriate thing to utter whilst singing the fight song? 

EAGLES DO NOT MAKE THAT SOUND!! Only Crows and Ravens. Our students look, and sound, ridiculous when they do that. 

Please gods do not tempt the ghost of the first year eagle scream at Fouts. She is a mighty annoying beast.

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30 minutes ago, Legend500 said:

Please gods do not tempt the ghost of the first year eagle scream at Fouts. She is a mighty annoying beast.

Let me be a bit clearer about this. "Why does anyone feel the need to add anything to the fight song?" it's always done just fine on it's own. And adding a stupid "Caw" (once again) only makes our University look like a refuge for the academically challenged (in science and biology) students.

Is it because, like a lot of people these days who seem permanently attached to their ear buds, that they can't stand to be alone with their thoughts even for the duration of a mere single beat of music? 

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5 hours ago, ZINADOLL said:

I noticed during playing of the fight song that at the usual "U... N... T... {motherf'in} Eagles!", the Green Brigade members were yelling "{super awesome} Eagles!"

And it was played much faster tonight  than usual. However, we can all say “mother fucking” pretty fast too. 
 

I thought it was funny when we scored at the end of the second and they had to play the recorded version at the same old speed of the song. 😂

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