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Another great book is “Mindset” by Carol Dweck.  I too was a teacher for 23 years and I’m still in the education field and I feel very confident in saying that most kids have a “fixed” mindset.

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1 hour ago, NT93 said:

Another great book is “Mindset” by Carol Dweck.  I too was a teacher for 23 years and I’m still in the education field and I feel very confident in saying that most kids have a “fixed” mindset.

 

Interesting, I’ll have to find that.

 

Rick

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On 8/7/2019 at 12:22 PM, ColoradoEagle said:

You cannot logically have the same number of mass shootings with assault weapons as today if they're no longer legal and if there is stiff punishment for owning one. 

It's also a straw man argument that unless all mass shootings with assault weapons can be stopped, it's not even worth addressing in the first place.

Hate to say it but most criminals are not going to stop buying guns because there illegal. So you will end up with law abiding citizens giving up their guns and criminals having them.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7324445/Connor-Betts-singer-pornogrind-metal-bands-sang-misogynst-songs-sexual-violence.html

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Pornogrind bands that have gained a following in the Midwest include Necro Cannibal A** Grinder, Bill Nye da Nazi Spy, C*** Torch, and others.

Menstrual Munchies has produced songs with provocative titles that include ‘Preteen Daughter Pu$y Slaughter’ and ‘C*** Stuffed With Medical Waste - Sexual Abuse of a Teenage Corpse.’

The art cover of these albums are also graphic and explicit. One album cover shows a woman eating feces.

Another depicts a woman’s headless body chained to a bed and covered in blood while a man nearby puts his pants back on.

Menstrual Munchies’ Facebook page, which had nearly 1,700 likes, and its YouTube account were deleted in the aftermath of the shootings on Sunday.

The band’s page on Bandcamp, the site on which musicians stream their music and in turn also allows music fans to directly support artists they like, has also been taken down.

Before it was deleted, the Bandcamp discography page contained explicit background images of maggots and a woman with ejaculate covering her face and mouth.

 

Multiple former classmates at Bellbrook High School have said they reported Betts' behavior to police but claim nothing was done to address the red flags and say they weren't surprised he was responsible for the recent massacre. 

Jessica Masseth, a female classmate who was named on a rape list compiled by Betts, said she contacted police at the time and that she handed her phone over to authorities so they could see threats he sent her. 

She said that Betts had texted her a copy of the rape list.  

'The school failed us. The police failed us. He spoke and wrote of rape, decapitation and just the total destruction of those on that list, which included me,' Masseth wrote on Facebook. 

'None of us are surprised by this. My mom called me with his name and I said 'makes sense'. If Bellbrook High School had taken it more seriously... If the police had treated it like it should have been treated... There are levels of failure here that are sick.

 

All kinds of levels of sickness in that guy for only being 24 years old.

 

Rick

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2 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

Hate to say it but most criminals are not going to stop buying guns because there illegal. So you will end up with law abiding citizens giving up their guns and criminals having them.

However, it does lower mass shooting fatalities.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30188421

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3 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

Hate to say it but most criminals are not going to stop buying guns because there illegal. So you will end up with law abiding citizens giving up their guns and criminals having them.

The overwhelming majority of our population supports legislation on assault rifles.

criminals will be criminals, but we still need laws

if a small minority feel a human need to hang onto their assault rifles, then they should do a better job informing the voting majority on why they need them.

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1 hour ago, greenminer said:

The overwhelming majority of our population supports legislation on assault rifles.

criminals will be criminals, but we still need laws

if a small minority feel a human need to hang onto their assault rifles, then they should do a better job informing the voting majority on why they need them.

If  you're looking to ban a certain type of weapon that's one thing that has a whole set of consequences, I just think when you start talking about taking guns away from people you're closing in on something that could provide the government with an opportunity to start taking other things that the "majority" believe they should not have. What could be next? I know people will say " where just talking about assault weapons" but what is to keep the government from going after more personal items from the people?

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16 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

If going to the range and practicing accounts for “serious tactical training”...then that pretty much describes anyone and everyone with the want-to to become that proficient.  

And I’m not comparing which weapon will do the most damage. I’m trying to point out to those who don’t understand that any gun...even a revolver....can deliver similar carnage,...and unlike what happened at the theater in Aurora,...revolvers don’t jam.

 

But here’s another example,...the “normal gun” pump shotgun? 

 

......You think 15 rounds in 15 seconds(1st video),...or 35 rounds of .00 or a combo slug in 62 seconds(2nd video) towards a packed room won’t have similar results?

Of course they would,...if not worse.

 

 

Rick

For real?

I go to the range to keep sharp.  There’s a huge difference between me ‘going to the range’, and this guy.   This guy has obviously been training for the kinds of exercise he’s filming and putting online.

And I’m not saying any other kind of gun won’t do any damage.  Of course they will.  But if given a choice, because it’s just as easy to get any of them, which would be preferred?  The semi-auto rifle with a magazine (extended?) of course!  That way, you’re not having to stop to reload smaller cal rounds every 6 shots in the case of the revolver, or pump a shotgun in between.

I think we can be frank that these wimpy-ass dudes probably couldn’t even handle a shotgun like that anyway.

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2 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

For real?

I go to the range to keep sharp.  There’s a huge difference between me ‘going to the range’, and this guy.   This guy has obviously been training for the kinds of exercise he’s filming and putting online.

And I’m not saying any other kind of gun won’t do any damage.  Of course they will.  But if given a choice, because it’s just as easy to get any of them, which would be preferred?  The semi-auto rifle with a magazine (extended?) of course!  That way, you’re not having to stop to reload smaller cal rounds every 6 shots in the case of the revolver, or pump a shotgun in between.

I think we can be frank that these wimpy-ass dudes probably couldn’t even handle a shotgun like that anyway.

Your making lots of assumptions.  All I can do is offer proven facts based on experience I’ve had in my career.  I guess we’ll agree to disagree.

And which would be preferred?  Ask Timothy McVeigh or the Tsarnaev brothers.  

 

 

Rick

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8 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

If  you're looking to ban a certain type of weapon that's one thing that has a whole set of consequences, I just think when you start talking about taking guns away from people you're closing in on something that could provide the government with an opportunity to start taking other things that the "majority" believe they should not have. What could be next? I know people will say " where just talking about assault weapons" but what is to keep the government from going after more personal items from the people?

agree

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5 hours ago, LongJim said:

Pretty obvious this guy has some narcissism issues and lives his warped life online.  But I'm sure he thinks he's famous now.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-walmart-gunman-panic-in-springfield-walmart-man-walks-around-with-tactical-rifle-wearing-body-armor/

 

 

The man was taking cellphone video of the chaos as he pushed a shopping cart, then walked out of the store and was confronted by an armed former firefighter who held him at gunpoint until he was joined by police moments later, Lucas said.

The former firefighter, who wanted his identify kept confidential, told KOLR, "I walked up to the grass and asked him if he was the male inside and he stated, 'yes,' and I drew my weapon and told him to put his hands in the air. "He complied. He was compliant the whole time.

"He was videotaping on his phone, which was kind of odd, but he complied with my request that he keep his hands in the air and he asked me to come up there and take his weapon from him. I told him to keep his hands off of it and keep his hands in the air and when the police arrived that they would take his weapon."

The former firefighter said he hoped that by stepping in, he prevented something horrible from happening. "Hopefully my actions prevented something like El Paso from happening," he said.

 

 

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On 8/9/2019 at 8:47 AM, LongJim said:

Pretty thoughtful (and VERY long) blog post by Rod Dreher which touches on this topic and possible root causes:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/america-nervous-breakdown/

 

How in the world can someone read that website?  I tried three times and got all sorts of pop-ups and free Walmart gift card offers?

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2 hours ago, HoustonEagle said:

How in the world can someone read that website?  I tried three times and got all sorts of pop-ups and free Walmart gift card offers?

No idea.  Not having any issues here.  

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so just to tick off boxes...

(x) - mental health issues
(x) - violent video games/punk rock/hip-hop
(x) - single-parent house-holds

these are actually the larger issues from which america alone suffers that has led to mass shootings at night clubs, music festivals, WalMarts, art fest, college campuses, post offices, high schools, highways, and an elementary school. 



I guess it's Europe's lack of mental health issues, video games, aggressive music and broken homes and that alone that have created a safe society. 

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1 hour ago, Censored by Laurie said:

so just to tick off boxes...

(x) - mental health issues
(x) - violent video games/punk rock/hip-hop
(x) - single-parent house-holds

these are actually the larger issues from which america alone suffers that has led to mass shootings at night clubs, music festivals, WalMarts, art fest, college campuses, post offices, high schools, highways, and an elementary school. 



I guess it's Europe's lack of mental health issues, video games, aggressive music and broken homes and that alone that have created a safe society. 

 

Well Europe is just too cool for school, so...

 

Rick

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20 hours ago, HoustonEagle said:

How in the world can someone read that website?  I tried three times and got all sorts of pop-ups and free Walmart gift card offers?

I got one pop-up prompt to subscribe and closed it.  The only other ad was a video-loop that did not overlap content.  It was easy to x it out.

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Other countries similar to the US have issues similar to ours.  While the UK has notably reduced access to firearms, and this has resulted in fewer mass shootings, they have seen a marked increase in attacks and homicides with sharp instruments, and I believe parallels can be drawn with similar situations in larger cities in the US.  These statistics have been scoffed at as not being relevant to the situation in the US by gun control advocates, but they are what they are, and I believe root causes are similar to ours.  Text has been bolded by me below:

"As stated earlier, there were 285 knife and sharp instrument homicides recorded in the year ending March 2018, the highest number since the Home Office Homicide Index began in 1946... male victims aged 16- to 24 years and 25- to 34 years saw the biggest increases over the last year, with victims aged 16- to 24 years increasing from 54 to 86 homicides, and victims aged 25- to 34 years increasing from 37 to 54 homicides."

What is interesting--and telling--to me, is the following from the same statistics.  Make of it what you will:

"In 80% (56) of the homicides, the location of the offence was a public place (compared with 44% of overall homicides)

There are likely to be important socio-economic factors in homicides that cannot be examined using Homicide Index data. There is evidence from other studies that suggests that ethnicity is just one of many factors in homicides and violent incidents in general. Leyland and Dundas (2009), for example, investigated Scottish homicides between 1980 and 2005, and concluded that “contextual influences of the neighbourhood of residence might be more important than individual characteristics in determining the victims of assault”.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2018#highest-number-of-sharp-instrument-homicides-seen-in-year-ending-march-2018

At any rate, it seems fairly obvious that increasing homicidal behavior is not directly a result of availability of weapons of any kind.  So IMO the question is--do we in the US want to keep banning things to solve it--keeping in mind that in the US there are already millions of weapons available already which we cannot control--or start addressing what is likely influencing the behavior?

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1 hour ago, LongJim said:

 

At any rate, it seems fairly obvious that increasing homicidal behavior is not directly a result of availability of weapons of any kind.  So IMO the question is--do we in the US want to keep banning things to solve it--keeping in mind that in the US there are already millions of weapons available already which we cannot control--or start addressing what is likely influencing the behavior?

Bingo.  Banning guns is like turning off the electricity when your youngster pokes a screw driver in the electrical outlet.   The big question is what is the driving force causing these people to act out.

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8 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

Bingo.  Banning guns is like turning off the electricity when your youngster pokes a screw driver in the electrical outlet.   The big question is what is the driving force causing these people to act out.

No.  It's like throwing away all of your screwdrivers.
Outright gun bans are being argued by very few.  And it's just not going to happen.  Plain & simple.
As for your scenario... You sternly educate him about what an outlet is & how it can hurt him.   
Then, if you see the kid still has a fascination with the outlet, you start putting in safeguards, because you're worried he might try something later.  That is absolutely necessary.
You probably also put your screwdrivers in the top drawer of your toolchest, or otherwise out of the easy reach of this child, right?   ... in other words, you make it more difficult for him to obtain one.  You wouldn't leave a screwdriver in the kid's toybox.  That's the argument of most.

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2 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Outright gun bans are being argued by very few.  And it's just not going to happen.  Plain & simple.
... in other words, you make it more difficult for him to obtain one...That's the argument of most.

Some good stuff here.  I think a longer waiting period for certain guns is a good idea, FWIW.  But there are plenty of "nobody needs an <insert model here> gun" folks, as well.

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2 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

No.  It's like throwing away all of your screwdrivers.
Outright gun bans are being argued by very few.  And it's just not going to happen.  Plain & simple.
As for your scenario... You sternly educate him about what an outlet is & how it can hurt him.   
Then, if you see the kid still has a fascination with the outlet, you start putting in safeguards, because you're worried he might try something later.  That is absolutely necessary.
You probably also put your screwdrivers in the top drawer of your toolchest, or otherwise out of the easy reach of this child, right?   ... in other words, you make it more difficult for him to obtain one.  You wouldn't leave a screwdriver in the kid's toybox.  That's the argument of most.

Dude, relax.  The main point of my comment was that I agree that we must find what is the driving force that makes these people act.

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