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Tuition rates at UNT and other universities are skyrocketing

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For the 2018-2019 school year, UNT’s financial aid estimates the price of in-state tuition for an off-campus student, only including tuition and fees, at around $11,514 per semester, according to

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---The state provides less funding to public schools and colleges than it once did .....meanwhile  gives businesses tax cuts... This was especially true in the Gov. Perry era. (no fan of him) ...  The state once provided over 60% to public schools and now it is about 35% or less.   I can't remember exact numbers but my enrollment bill at NTSU or UNT in 1966 was in the area of $100-$150... not counting housing and food or books .. most books cost me about $15 or about $120 in 2019 dollars... (min wage was $1.15 then.). 

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On 5/9/2019 at 2:55 PM, SCREAMING EAGLE-66 said:

---The state provides less funding to public schools and colleges than it once did .....meanwhile  gives businesses tax cuts... This was especially true in the Gov. Perry era. (no fan of him) ...  The state once provided over 60% to public schools and now it is about 35% or less.   I can't remember exact numbers but my enrollment bill at NTSU or UNT in 1966 was in the area of $100-$150... not counting housing and food or books .. most books cost me about $15 or about $120 in 2019 dollars... (min wage was $1.15 then.). 

I know this is a loaded question, but how long would you say it took your gen to pay off student loan debt?

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6 hours ago, greenminer said:

I know this is a loaded question, but how long would you say it took your gen to pay off student loan debt?

My tuition during the 80’s was more than @SCREAMING EAGLE-66 but much less than today. I don’t recall anyone taking out student loans during that time. I do remember a three payment plan that I utilized and people applying for aid and grants. 

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On 5/13/2019 at 8:10 AM, UNTLifer said:

My tuition during the 80’s was more than @SCREAMING EAGLE-66 but much less than today. I don’t recall anyone taking out student loans during that time. I do remember a three payment plan that I utilized and people applying for aid and grants. 

I was there in the 80s and had a couple of friends who took out loans.  For most, their parents paid the bill or, like me, they worked part time jobs.  I took around 12 hrs a semester and worked around 30 hours a week.  Took me 5 years, but I was able to pay my own way.  But tuition was reasonable then and it was fairly easy to work your way through if you could. 

But today's costs are insane.  It's virtually impossible for kids to work part time and pay their own now.

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3 minutes ago, GBarksdale said:

I was there in the 80s and had a couple of friends who took out loans.  For most, their parents paid the bill or, like me, they worked part time jobs.  I took around 12 hrs a semester and worked around 30 hours a week.  Took me 5 years, but I was able to pay my own way.  But tuition was reasonable then and it was fairly easy to work your way through if you could. 

But today's costs are insane.  It's virtually impossible for kids to work part time and pay their own now.

Just what I did as well.

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It's almost as if the government giving out unrestricted subsidized loans would cause universities to raise costs to match those loans....

Government: Hey kid here's $200k in loans

School that previously cost $100k: Hey kid, we've raised our prices. Now it's $200k

 

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Don’t like loan debt? Don’t take out loans. And it is silly to think one cannot get a college degree without big student loan debt. Parents and kids just don’t want to make decisions early, go to the community colleges first for two years, live at home and work while going to that Community College. etc., etc. There are ways...such as using loans ONLY for tuition and books and fees...not cell phone bills, Taco Bell, tattoos, dating, rent, etc. Those things prior planning and part-time work goes a long way in handling. There are tough decisions to be made...decisions that should be made EARLY...most today don’t. They would rather claim the only way they can go to college is by racking up thousands and thousands in loan debt. Absolutely wrong!

And, let’s not forget doing the job in HS so you might qualify for some scholarship money.

And, let’s not forget the GI bill. Enlisting in a branch of the military and get a bunch of your college costs covered after you complete your enlistment. 

And, find a company to work for they helps you pay your loans back. Just read about such perks in the paper this week. Companies are having challenges hiring in today’s hot labor and economic market and they are offering such perks...and some...hiring GS and CC grads are helping pay costs to complete a 2-yr or 4-yr degree.

I could go on.

Not, saying it is easy...not saying some of the above is not in the cards for some folks, just saying that “going the loan route” has consequences. Consequences one accepts when they borrow the money. 

Tough love, I guess. Lots of folks seem to need it these days.

OK, I’ll look forward to all the “it’s not fair” and “old man you don’t know what you are talking about” replies in 10...9...8...7.....

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Also -- take advantage of 529 plans.  In Virginia we have a bunch of account options -- and some of them have really good rates of return.  It's not like you have to have a ton of disposable income to contribute.  Just a little here and there adds up over the years, especially the accounts that track the market. 

The rules vary by state, but generally they're a good way to cushion the blow of college costs.

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10 hours ago, Salsa_Verde said:

Post 9-11 GI Bill is awesome 😎 

It certainly is...they really changed it for the better. 👍

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On 5/14/2019 at 12:05 PM, GBarksdale said:

I was there in the 80s and had a couple of friends who took out loans.  For most, their parents paid the bill or, like me, they worked part time jobs.  I took around 12 hrs a semester and worked around 30 hours a week.  Took me 5 years, but I was able to pay my own way.  But tuition was reasonable then and it was fairly easy to work your way through if you could. 

But today's costs are insane.  It's virtually impossible for kids to work part time and pay their own now.

Building on this... DCCCD public estimate for the annual cost to a student that lives in the district and chooses to live at home with their parents is $10,565. That goes up by about 15% if you live out of district with your parents. 

Best case (in-district), that comes out to about 1,460 hours of work at minimum wage, assuming every cent of your earnings goes to education costs (and not social security or other taxes of any kind). That's just over 28 hours per week. 

So, the same level of work, self-discipline, and financial restraint could carry you far enough to earn a 4 year university degree from UNT back in the 80s, but caps out at a community college 2 year degree today. 

Even without stopping to consider your professional job prospects without a 4 year degree these days, that's already a pretty significant change in circumstances. 

 

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TFW you can't get YAC membership bc they hate you even though you're YACing harder and stronger than anyone reasonably could.

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On 5/16/2019 at 1:20 PM, KRAM1 said:

Don’t like loan debt? Don’t take out loans. And it is silly to think one cannot get a college degree without big student loan debt. Parents and kids just don’t want to make decisions early, go to the community colleges first for two years, live at home and work while going to that Community College. etc., etc. There are ways...such as using loans ONLY for tuition and books and fees...not cell phone bills, Taco Bell, tattoos, dating, rent, etc. Those things prior planning and part-time work goes a long way in handling. There are tough decisions to be made...decisions that should be made EARLY...most today don’t. They would rather claim the only way they can go to college is by racking up thousands and thousands in loan debt. Absolutely wrong!

And, let’s not forget doing the job in HS so you might qualify for some scholarship money.

And, let’s not forget the GI bill. Enlisting in a branch of the military and get a bunch of your college costs covered after you complete your enlistment. 

And, find a company to work for they helps you pay your loans back. Just read about such perks in the paper this week. Companies are having challenges hiring in today’s hot labor and economic market and they are offering such perks...and some...hiring GS and CC grads are helping pay costs to complete a 2-yr or 4-yr degree.

I could go on.

Not, saying it is easy...not saying some of the above is not in the cards for some folks, just saying that “going the loan route” has consequences. Consequences one accepts when they borrow the money. 

Tough love, I guess. Lots of folks seem to need it these days.

OK, I’ll look forward to all the “it’s not fair” and “old man you don’t know what you are talking about” replies in 10...9...8...7.....

Damn, I shouldn’t have bought $40k worth of tattoos and Taco Bell beefy 5 layer burritos... But really, you seem to talk a lot of shit about the very students that are paying the fees that subsidize the sports programs you like to watch. I don’t see you complaining about that.

Typical boomer bullshit talking points. There’s so much to unpack here but the bottom line is that the costs of college have outpaced housing, consumer goods, healthcare, and wage growth. States have cut funding, shifting the costs to students. Schools are increasing overhead by investing in administration and luxury capital projects (see Apogee Stadium, et al). The entire system is broken, and no amount of cutting back on Taco Bell and Netflix is going to fix it. 

 

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13 hours ago, meangreenlax said:

Damn, I shouldn’t have bought $40k worth of tattoos and Taco Bell beefy 5 layer burritos... But really, you seem to talk a lot of shit about the very students that are paying the fees that subsidize the sports programs you like to watch. I don’t see you complaining about that.

Typical boomer bullshit talking points. There’s so much to unpack here but the bottom line is that the costs of college have outpaced housing, consumer goods, healthcare, and wage growth. States have cut funding, shifting the costs to students. Schools are increasing overhead by investing in administration and luxury capital projects (see Apogee Stadium, et al). The entire system is broken, and no amount of cutting back on Taco Bell and Netflix is going to fix it. 

 

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kids these days and their lack of bootstraps...

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