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On 12/29/2018 at 2:23 PM, TheColonyEagle said:

I thought it was a joke. Yikes how embarrassing to be that delusional  

But seriously, why would UH settle for Holgerson? Why not go get Lincoln Riley or Nick Saban or Dabo Sweeny?

 

 

This is why you shouldn't run your mouth so soon.

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24 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

 

Wow.  Mad props to Houston for a great hire.

It’s a good hire but does mean a little less when 1) WVU doesn’t seem too upset about letting him go and apparently wasn’t willing to make much effort to keep him and 2) Holgorsen seems to be looking for any path out of Morgantown (which I understand is actually a decent place to live). 

Should be a great game next year in Denton. 

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11 minutes ago, coogs08 said:

Nah...don’t think we have a problem. Lol this “cougar high” talk is hilarious, especially coming from UNT.

Please remind me the last the UNT football (or basketball) has been relevant. When was the last time you all won a NY6 bowl? Or hell...even made one?

And please, spare the academic smack...your school does not even offer the engineering degree (Bachelor of science in Mechanical Engineering) that I graduated with.

North Texas does offer that degree seems like your info is outdated. Much like Houston’s sense of importance. 

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I don't know anything about Holgorsen, but initially surfing says this is a good hire for Houston.

Pure speculation, but I wonder if this was about Houston really wanting Holgorsen specifically, and less about Applewhite's "failures"?

 

13 hours ago, peanuts104 said:

There is no way in hell Holgorsen would leave WVU for Houston.  Why would he take the downgrade?

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8 hours ago, Mean Green Matt said:

It’s a good hire but does mean a little less when 1) WVU doesn’t seem too upset about letting him go and apparently wasn’t willing to make much effort to keep him and 2) Holgorsen seems to be looking for any path out of Morgantown (which I understand is actually a decent place to live). 

Should be a great game next year in Denton. 

He wanted a guaranteed contract, they wouldn't give it to him. WV felt like his W-L record didn't warrant the commit. Now they will have to hire a coach from scratch and give him a guarantee. Must of been something deeper going on there.

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The “University” of Houston...where things are going so well that you have to trumpet each accomplishment on the message board of those who are “beneath” you.  

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9 hours ago, coogs08 said:

Nah...don’t think we have a problem. Lol this “cougar high” talk is hilarious, especially coming from UNT.

Please remind me the last the UNT football (or basketball) has been relevant. When was the last time you all won a NY6 bowl? Or hell...even made one?

And please, spare the academic smack...your school does not even offer the engineering degree (Bachelor of science in Mechanical Engineering) that I graduated with.

 

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Couple of things don't make sense. 

1.  As noted earlier, Houston money whipped a coach where they appear to be the only school after his services. 

2.  Looks like WVU wanted Holgorsen gone and didn't put up a fight.   What was the issue?  Record?

3.  UH just fired a coach for producing the new coach's average record. Seems like UH and Holgorsen may have been talking prior to the Applewhite firing and knew they could lure him away from Morgantown. 

4. Is he really the answer or did UH just watch the reason for their success walk out the door and down the street to FSU. 

5. Time will tell if this is a successful hire or not, but my first inclination is that this really doesn't move the needle. Will Holgorsen's system attract the talent to create the kind of success they desire. 

Regardless of all of this, it doesn't move them any closer to a "P5" Conference.  Personally, I think they way overpaid for a coach at this level. 

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7 hours ago, greenminer said:

I don't know anything about Holgorsen, but initially surfing says this is a good hire for Houston.

Pure speculation, but I wonder if this was about Houston really wanting Holgorsen specifically, and less about Applewhite's "failures"?

 

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Just read that they are going to pay him $20 MILLION BLEEPING DOLLARS

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25659219/houston-cougars-finalizing-deal-dana-holgorsen-west-virginia-mountaineers

There has to be some bad stuff behind the scenes for Holgorsen and WVU to be willing to part ways. He's been pretty successful there.  Surely Houston can't pay him more.

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3 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

Couple of things don't make sense. 

1.  As noted earlier, Houston money whipped a coach where they appear to be the only school after his services. 

2.  Looks like WVU wanted Holgorsen gone and didn't put up a fight.   What was the issue?  Record?

3.  UH just fired a coach for producing the new coach's average record. Seems like UH and Holgorsen may have been talking prior to the Applewhite firing and knew they could lure him away from Morgantown. 

4. Is he really the answer or did UH just watch the reason for their success walk out the door and down the street to FSU. 

5. Time will tell if this is a successful hire or not, but my first inclination is that this really doesn't move the needle. Will Holgorsen's system attract the talent to create the kind of success they desire. 

Regardless of all of this, it doesn't move them any closer to a "P5" Conference.  Personally, I think they way overpaid for a coach at this level. 

He is a really good coach. You may not need to be a P5 once they expand the playoffs to 6-8 teams with an at large bid and now you don't have to go p5 to get paid. How does Tulsa compete when they had to take salary reductions? When the restructure takes place we need to be a top G5 program as Houston is attempting to be. 

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Mountaineer fans are pretty broken up over all this 😆

Dana can go run the whores and shoot some coke with the old mobster in low life scum fest Houston. Houston is a cess pool. U of Houston is loser job.”

https://westvirginia.forums.rivals.com/threads/houston-gets-a-terrible-coach-and-wvu-makes-money-and-gets-rid-of-terrible-dana-big-win-for-wvu.192739/

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18 minutes ago, emmitt01 said:

Mountaineer fans are pretty broken up over all this 😆

Dana can go run the whores and shoot some coke with the old mobster in low life scum fest Houston. Houston is a cess pool. U of Houston is loser job.”

https://westvirginia.forums.rivals.com/threads/houston-gets-a-terrible-coach-and-wvu-makes-money-and-gets-rid-of-terrible-dana-big-win-for-wvu.192739/

Hillbillies!

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22 minutes ago, emmitt01 said:

Mountaineer fans are pretty broken up over all this 😆

Dana can go run the whores and shoot some coke with the old mobster in low life scum fest Houston. Houston is a cess pool. U of Houston is loser job.”

https://westvirginia.forums.rivals.com/threads/houston-gets-a-terrible-coach-and-wvu-makes-money-and-gets-rid-of-terrible-dana-big-win-for-wvu.192739/

Careful. We don't want to send our resident cougardouches over to their fan board, now do we?  

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10 hours ago, CK2 said:

 

This is why you shouldn't run your mouth so soon.

Hey dude....take your victory lap. I said in a few posts later that I didn't know the back story. On the surface this looks like a ridiculous scenario. But great hire. 

I'm sure the UH fan board is excited but I've never been on your message board. Not real sure why you camp out over here so much.

 

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42 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

5. Time will tell if this is a successful hire or not, but my first inclination is that this really doesn't move the needle. Will Holgorsen's system attract the talent to create the kind of success they desire. 

It depends on where you see the needle--if you are talking about the peak they reached under Herman, when they finished with a top 10 ranking, maybe not.  But there are only a few coaches out there capable of remotely sustaining that kind of success at Houston, and Holgorsen is one of them.

And his system will absolutely attract talent.  It is remarkable that he was able to field competitive teams in a geographic area where Air Raid offenses are unheard of.  Now he will be right in the middle of talent perfectly suited for it.

Hiring a currently successful head coach away from a P5 program is rare for a G5, if not completely unheard of.

By most measures, "moving the needle" doesn't do justice to this hire.  It is earth-shattering.

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The real story here is that they are paying him $4M/year. The salary is more impressive to me than the name. $4M/year is an insane amount of money for a G5. Next highest paid G5 coach is Mike Norvell at Memphis making $2.6M/year. We need a sugar daddy donor like UH & Memphis have lol.

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20 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

It depends on where you see the needle--if you are talking about the peak they reached under Herman, when they finished with a top 10 ranking, maybe not.  But there are only a few coaches out there capable of remotely sustaining that kind of success at Houston, and Holgorsen is one of them.

And his system will absolutely attract talent.  It is remarkable that he was able to field competitive teams in a geographic area where Air Raid offenses are unheard of.  Now he will be right in the middle of talent perfectly suited for it.

Hiring a currently successful head coach away from a P5 program is rare for a G5, if not completely unheard of.

By most measures, "moving the needle" doesn't do justice to this hire.  It is earth-shattering.

Hmmm, and I would have summed all of that up with a simple “meh”

If Seth had left at season’s end and we went and got Bobby Petrino before Louisville could fire him, and threw FAR more money at him than anyone else was even thinking of offering, would you have called it “earth shattering”?   (Totally ignoring that when Lamar Jackson left he tanked)  

He was a P5 coach after all...

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19 minutes ago, emmitt01 said:

Hmmm, and I would have summed all of that up with a simple “meh”

If Seth had left at season’s end and we went and got Bobby Petrino before Louisville could fire him, and threw FAR more money at him than anyone else was even thinking of offering, would you have called it “earth shattering”?   (Totally ignoring that when Lamar Jackson left he tanked)  

A key difference would be the "currently successful" I mentioned.  Bobby Petrino has fallen far from the lofty perch he once held.  Dana Holgorsen is presently one of the best coaches in the country.

So I don't see that as a valid comparison.

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Look, I like WVU, but to call Holgorsen "currently successful" is a stretch. 

 

Let's be crystal clear here, if Holgorsen and WVU weren't dissatisfied with each other, this wouldn't have happened. 

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3 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Look, I like WVU, but to call Holgorsen "currently successful" is a stretch. 

 

Let's be crystal clear here, if Holgorsen and WVU weren't dissatisfied with each other, this wouldn't have happened. 

I agree with your second statement.  But WVU's dissatisfaction has far more to do with his sniffing after other job opportunities than his teams' performances.  WVU in the B12 is a hard place to win, and Holgorsen has had one of the better teams in that conference most years.

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7 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

A key difference would be the "currently successful" I mentioned.  Bobby Petrino has fallen far from the lofty perch he once held.  Dana Holgorsen is presently one of the best coaches in the country.

So I don't see that as a valid comparison.

Define “best coaches in the country.”  

Is top 20 good enough?  Because he’s not better than Saban, Dabo, Herman, Riley, Smart, Jimbo, Peterson, Patterson, Richt, Dantonio, Shaw, Franklin, Gundy, Harbaugh, Chryst, Ferentz, Whittingham, Leach, Whittingham...arguably Frost or Miles.

Hell, on second thought, he may not even be Top 20

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