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1 minute ago, shootermcgavin44 said:

I would take scheduling any of these teams over freaking Texas College or directional A&M Oklahoma State Technical Institute. 

Again, we should take care of the teams with similar rankings before we take a bigger bite off. The two Top 50 RPI teams that we played we lost 61-77 (UTA) and 68-79 (MTSU). The best team we beat was ranked #248 (SE Louisiana). We should try to walk before we try to run.

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10 minutes ago, shootermcgavin44 said:
80 Fresno State .5488 17-11 130 76 284 62 84 0-1 2-0 4-4 8-4 109 2.0 1.4 3.4
RK TEAM RPI D1 W-L SOS NCRP NCSS CFRP CFSS 1-25 26-50 51-100 L12 LRPI OFFQ DEFQ ASM
81 New Mexico .5477 17-13 49 107 37 90 79 0-2 0-4 5-3 7-5 64 2.7 0.1 2.8
82 Syracuse .5468 18-14 58 101 218 32 31 3-4 3-4 2-1 7-5 62 4.9 3.2 8.1
83 Texas A&M .5467 16-14 37 90 27 101 70 0-6 2-6 2-1 6-6 52 -1.8 7.9 6.1
84 CSU Bakersfield .5466 18-8 223 176 189 66 248 0-2 0-0 2-2 10-2 115 -5.7 10.2 4.5
85 Richmond .5465 19-11 108 149 247 33 78 0-4 1-1 3-1 8-4 96 3.1 0.8 3.8
86 Ohio State .5442 17-15 36 54 106 91 37 1-6 3-2 4-5 5-7 63 3.1 2.9 5.9
87 Alabama .5426 17-13 80 125 90 79 106 0-4 3-2 1-4 6-6 98 -4.4 9.7 5.2
88 St Bonaventure .5411 19-11 133 115 166 77 130 0-4 0-2 0-2 7-5 126 4.8 0.3 5.1
89 Florida Gulf Coast .5409 23-7 260 164 97 130 308 0-2 1-1 0-0 11-1 74 0.4 4.2 4.6
90 Northern Kentucky .5404 22-10 222 109 173 116 239 0-1 0-0 1-2 10-2 143 -0.3 2.1 1.8
RK TEAM RPI D1 W-L SOS NCRP NCSS CFRP CFSS 1-25 26-50 51-100 L12 LRPI OFFQ DEFQ ASM
91 Penn State .5401 15-17 27 65 58 114 47 2-5 1-2 4-7 4-8 90 2.6 0.6 3.2
92 Stanford .5399 13-17 8 81 3 156 60 0-8 1-2 3-4 3-9 79 -1.2 3.1 1.9
93 Towson .5393 19-13 103 139 67 95 149 0-1 0-3 2-2 8-4 107 0.9 2.4 3.4
94 San Francisco .5382 19-12 109 102 130 99 120 0-4 1-0 1-2 7-5 103 0.5 4.2 4.6
95 Colorado .5380 18-13 121 56 211 138 109 1-4 1-1 3-5 9-3 122 3.3 1.9 5.3
96 Iona .5375 22-12 170 78 141 146 195 0-1 1-3 0-1 8-4 120 6.2 -2.6 3.6
97 George Washington .5368 18-13 98 95 194 82 82 1-3 0-3 2-3 8-4 86 -0.2 1.2 1.0
98 UNC Greensboro .5342 22-9 240 157 257 80 230 0-1 0-1 3-1 9-3 105 -1.3 3.1 1.8
  Nebraska .5342 11-19 3 153 1 111 42 3-3 0-7 4-7 3-9 88 -0.4 1.3 0.9
100 Lehigh .5

 

I would take scheduling any of these teams over freaking Texas College or directional A&M Oklahoma State Technical Institute. 

We have been scheduling the sameness teams for decades... maybe a new AD will change it but it's nothing new to play SE Louisiana, Sam Houston State, Cameron, etc..

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4 minutes ago, UNTFan23 said:

Again, we should take care of the teams with similar rankings before we take a bigger bite off. The two Top 50 RPI teams that we played we lost 61-77 (UTA) and 68-79 (MTSU). The best team we beat was ranked #248 (SE Louisiana). We should try to walk before we try to run.

Yes, expecting to beat the likes of Northern Kentucky, Towson, and San Francisco is  expecting way too much. 

1 minute ago, Andrew said:

We have been scheduling the sameness teams for decades... maybe a new AD will change it but it's nothing new to play SE Louisiana, Sam Houston State, Cameron, etc..

11/25/16 vs.Niagara Niagara The Super Pit W, 80-71  GT MORE
11/27/16 vs.Hartford Hartford The Super Pit W, 81-78  GT MORE
11/30/16 vs. Texas College The Super Pit W, 73-45  GT

 

This little stretch right here is embarrassing. 

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3 minutes ago, shootermcgavin44 said:

Yes, expecting to beat the likes of Northern Kentucky, Towson, and San Francisco is  expecting way too much. 

And at this point, so is expecting to beat a Top 100 RPI team. If we regularly beat Top 150 teams I'd say we should try to schedule more Top 100 teams as we'd have a shot at beating one but not this season. No way, no how.

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Mama said "You've got to beat the best if you want to be the best!". I'm not advocating jumping into the deep end, but we must develop a plan (multi-year) to build the schedule as we rebuild the program. That is how we will raise this phoenix from the ashes and get some respect. JMO.

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41 minutes ago, EagleMBA said:

Mama said "You've got to beat the best if you want to be the best!". I'm not advocating jumping into the deep end, but we must develop a plan (multi-year) to build the schedule as we rebuild the program. That is how we will raise this phoenix from the ashes and get some respect. JMO.

This. Need to continuously schedule more difficult teams as you go but to just jump into the deep end isn't going to be a smart way to build up your schedule.

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08 Hartford, Southern, Centenary, Denever, and Texas A&M International.

09 Jackson State, Boiset State, and University of the Southwest (add on Cameron who we seemed to play every year)

 

10 Grambling , Texas Southern, Sam Houston State, Texas State. Throw in the mighty Henderson University earlier in the year and Oklahoma Panhandle State

 

Teams like Niagra and Hartford are well know teams in the north east. Unlike Jackson state, Grambling, Cameron etc...

 

You must be young because you clearly  didn't watch any pre Benford basketball. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Andrew said:

08 Hartford, Southern, Centenary, Denever, and Texas A&M International.

09 Jackson State, Boiset State, and University of the Southwest (add on Cameron who we seemed to play every year)

 

10 Grambling , Texas Southern, Sam Houston State, Texas State. Throw in the mighty Henderson University earlier in the year and Oklahoma Panhandle State

 

Teams like Niagra and Hartford are well know teams in the north east. Unlike Jackson state, Grambling, Cameron etc...

 

You must be young because you cleeely didn't watch any pre Benford basketball. 

 

I didn't cleeely do anything.

Been following UNT hoops since I was a ball boy during the Jank days during the mid 90's. Pre 1994 I can't tell you much.... 

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On 3/8/2017 at 3:56 PM, Eagle-96 said:

JJ was great for UNT at the time and brought us out of the wilderness. We can do better. Let's go money-whip Scott Cross.

We are back in the wilderness. He recruited for his system well here and found some real gems in the process. He might not be the flashy name that people on here are looking for, but he is more than capable for the job. I would rather take a known quantity in a great coach like JJ than sign up for five more years of some top program's assistant.

1 hour ago, Andrew said:

 

You must be young because you clearly  didn't watch any pre Benford basketball. 

 

I attended more games than I can count pre-Benford. Yes the schedule was weak but we were also going deep into the conference tournaments (and twice winning it.) What difference does the non-conference slate mean anyways? We're not getting any at large bids anytime soon. 

On top of that. As our teams got better under JJ, we started getting better home-and-homes (OK State, Tech). I imagine if he stayed longer and continued to grow the program he had flourishing, more and more teams would be willing to play in The Pit. 

 

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9 hours ago, Keith7 said:

Yes the schedule was weak but we were also going deep into the conference tournaments (and twice winning it.) What difference does the non-conference slate mean anyways? We're not getting any at large bids anytime soon. 

 

While improving our RPI does help the conference overall, improving our win-loss record also helps. It's like climbing a ladder - get a few more wins, upgrade the schedule a little. Get a still more wins, upgrade the schedule more. You are correct that we are not going to be competing with Baylor or Kansas for at large bids anytime soon. 

Frankly, I'd really prefer to avoid any low division teams, but I want a 20 win season even more. There are multiple articles about a team getting some easy victories early in the year gives the players more confidence and thus a better chance to win later in the season. That does NOT mean playing all cup cakes! It does mean a team that needs to learn to win games - at this point ANY games - should play some weaker teams.

However, we don't need to bring back JJ to do any of those things. I think Baker has more control of the actual schedule than the incoming coach will. Certainly he does right now.

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