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  1. QUOTE(PerryG2480 @ Nov 28 2007, 01:20 PM) Wow, does Marcus King ever see the field? I thought he was pretty highly regarded coming out of HS. I'm really surprised, and a little disappointed at the lack of love for Marcus King in this thread. True, he did play in a run oriented offense; that's what the kind of talent, for the most part, that Trinity has favors. However, Lineweaver never assumes he can get by exclusively on the run in playoff games, and that's where King made some significant contributions. Some examples: From the Dallas Morning news, after the 2005 semifinal win over A&M Consolidated; "Trinity gained 304 of its 366 total yards on the ground. However, the biggest play came through the air with Marcus King's diving 39-yard catch on third and 5. That placed Trinity on A&M Consolidated's 26 and allowed it to establish some momentum. The catch set up quarterback Trevor Vittatoe's 1-yard score on a sneak, capping the first drive of the second half." Trinity went on win 28-6 and advance to the class 5A, Division I state championship game. King didn't even score in that game, but helped change the momentum. From TexasPrepExtra.Rivals.com, after Trinity won the 2005 state championship game. "Trinity's defense began to take complete control of the game in the second quarter and after stopping Judson the Trojans offense was again able to go to work, Marcus King would be a big player on this drive as he caught a 16 yard pass from Vittatoe on 4th and 10, a few plays later Vittatoe and King hooked up from 12 yards out for a touchdown and the score was tied up at 14 heading to the half." I was at that game, and it was very impressive to see King make big catches in traffic (at 6'3", I believe, he's a big target). From USATODAY, after the 2006 Euless Trinity-Southlake Carroll Bi-District game, "...the Trojans, who came into the game averaging 290 yards rushing, came back in the third with its ground game behind an offensive line that averages 275 pounds. Robinson's 2-yard TD run and Taggert's 7-yard pass to Marcus King to take a 15-9 lead after three quarters." Trinity eventually lost 22-21, after a failed fake punt gave SLC a short field to make the winning score with just over 2 minutes left. Of course, SLC went ahead to eventually win state, but noone watching the game felt that Trinity players such as King were in the least intimidated. I guess what I'm trying to point out is that, although King may not have the great numbers, he has been called on to make big plays in clutch situations, leading to, and winning, at the championship level, and has done so in a very selfless manner. I think he deserves a look under actual game conditions; maybe he could help with the really important statistics, won-loss, whether or not he ever posts spectacular numbers for catches and yardage. Isn't winning games and playing in the post season the real goal? If so, let's look at players who have been there and done that.
  2. I agree with you, GrayEagleOne, as to Briles having a chance to become a real winner at Baylor, and in the ways you describe. Baylor reminds me of another University in a way, the formerly Baptist affiliated Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Here's some tidbits about their recent football history, under someone who seems to be the right coach for such a place. Wake Forest under Jim Grober up to 2006 WFU 2006-2007 results WFU 2007-2008 results Differences? Yes, Baylor has many more students, WFU is in the ACC, but WFU always seems to find ways to be competititive. I think Baylor also can (of course I KNOW North Texas can).
  3. I know Evan. Thanks again for the homecoming tickets Evan, and for the enjoyable time Arlene and I spent with you and your family!
  4. Folks, I doubt if it adds that much to the image of our own superior education to be assigning some guilt by location to those in Western Kentucky, or Kentucky in general over the actions of some college football players among them. As for usage of the English language, Perhaps I could feel a certain Mean Green superiority as a wordsmith if I hadn't taken my required English courses at a school I previously attended (Midwestern State University in Wichita Falls, if you must know). However, I DO think there are some serious issues regarding maintaining discipline and order among student athletes and the programs in which they participate, especially those which are inherently dangerous, such as football. And I will still stand by earlier postings in which I've said that Todd Dodge will not embarress the University of North Texas by tolerating inappropriate behavior among those student athletes under his charge. Yes, there was the student who ended up in jail due to violation of probation (correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the probation was handed down before Dodge came here, and the violation after). Dodge was true to his word of handling such matters on a case-by-case basis, and, in my opinion, handled that situation as well as possible. Some things that happened at the game (no, I did not attend; you can belabor me for that if you wish; wife and mother-in-law made my plans), should perhaps be addressed by some outside review. I have gotten my wife to start attending college ball games with me this year (MTSU and Navy-yes loved that nice weather) others perhaps not. Examples: A lot of personal fouls are called that are hard to see from the stands, and I think result from players' momentum being difficult to stop once the play is whistled dead or an offensive player goes out of bounds. Others are from gestures or words of individual players that I, and many others here, will boo the officials for making if it goes against our team in a close contest. I hardly see the point in even protesting these calls, and if we were more perfectly sportsmanlike fans, we probably wouldn't boo the refs for making them. I agree with UNTLifer that the calls made against us in the Navy game for our players making the "Claw" sign as they scored on 2 touchdowns weren't really "by the book". Maybe we could have been smart enough not to do it after the first time, and avoided giving Navy a short field on the ensuing kickoff, but that's all in hindsight. Maybe WKU could have been smart enough to learn how closely these things were being watched by Refs here in D1, and avoided those penalties as individuals . The kinds of things I just described I think we could mostly agree, probably come out in the wash, both teams getting some of these, the best teams keeping them to a minimum and avoiding costly penalties. The part where choreographed as a team, did sound classless. And, if it was viewed by WKU as something for UNT players to laugh at, galojay, why couldn't the WKU players have laughed it off after the game when they were the recipient, instead of starting a fight, as others here have said. Mostly, I did find the whole thing to be something I've not seen (or heard of) in other games UNT has played, and especially disturbing in light of the reports about the activities by WKU players, and the major suspensions imposed by the NCAA (and to be fair, WKU itself) in 2002, especially the part where one player had to undergo dental implant surgery (I'm having that done now, must question whether college football programs really want to foot the $3000 plus for such work), not to mention the player only being missed by the sledge hammer swinging WKU player by pure luck. People, that is something that could get someone killed; something that WKU and its player would then have to live with. What I was really hoping was that galojay could give us some insight as to whether a particular group of players, or a culture at WKU which had tolerated a tendency among certain of their players to cross a line separating the kinds of extracurricular activity in football that happens and always will, and something that seems aberrant to the point of instigating criminally violent behavior, and whether WKU coaching and administration had taken any steps to discipline their players not to engage in such. Should people really be expected to bring the whole family to something that would more closely resemble "pro" wrestling, or just some sledge hammer assault than college football. I think these are reasonable questions for people to ask WKU and its supporters.
  5. Thanks for your insight, galojay, I DO however, hope they got away from carrying that sledgehammer around with them!
  6. Welcome to the board; It's good to hear from you, Galojay, and I did notice while following our North Texas fans on the internet that some of them were complaining about the personal foul penalties on North Texas players. Also, while looking around on the Internet for reports of such incidents involving WKU, I did notice your criticism of WKU racking up the personal foul penalties. From a not so rosy point of view, I noticed our fans, and you also, Galojay, were bemoaning the problems that causes in winning the games more than that intentional personal foul penalties (which I would have to consider the choreographed endzone celebration by WKU) are simply a blight on the game, not to mention setting the tone for more dangerous activities. AND speaking of more dangerous activities, I don't recall reading about widespread occurrences of the types of activities for which numerous WKU (and in fairness, Western Illinois, I believe their opponent was) players received numerous NCAA suspensions in 2002. For further information on that, refer to my thread entitled "WKUnsportsmanlike" (maybe I'll change the title of it to show some respect to you, obviously a person who cares, but want you to have a chance to read and comment on it first). Personally, I don't want an investigation...sounds like noone was seriously hurt in Denton last Saturday, but I would like to know that WKU coaching is not encouraging behavior which, if nothing else, is detrimental to your school's image and possibly endangering those on the field during and immediately after games.
  7. QUOTE(eulessismore @ Nov 26 2007, 04:06 PM) I've become convinced it's pointless talking to idiots anyway.
  8. I'm not prepared to divulge where I learned that, ok...I'm lying; I can't remember where I learned that.
  9. Greenminer (responding to my post on the Mean Green Opponents links) says he had no problem going to the Hillhumpers haven web site, but I encountered a browser hijack there and had to use the system restore. I've become convinced it's pointless talking to idiots anyway.
  10. It's interesting what you can find by doing an internet search on "Western Kentucky Unsportsmanlike" (you don't even need to use quotes). Western Kentucky U(nsportsmanlike)
  11. Wow, Griffin is still undecided? If we are not recruiting this guy, I'd like to know why. He has actually played on defensive AND offensive lines this year, as well as playing on the special teams. Also, he's not a Tongan, but anchors the Haka, so is pretty good line dancer for a big man. It's really strange to see someone tower over the rest of the Euless Trinity players like him. I've seen his weight listed as up to 360, but he looks height/weight proportionate. I was really surprised not to see Mao Leota listed among the Startlegram's area top 50-very solid as a nose guard since switching from fullback. Leota did score a TD on offense in the Lewisville game on Friday. Check him out here: Hidden Gem: Mao Leota
  12. The copy of the Sunday, 11-25 DMN I just bought has the "State Top 100, as provided by Rivals.com". I thought it was interesting that no Euless Trinity, Odessa Permian, Arlington bowie, or Lubbock Coronado players were listed. Those are the Division I, Area I semifinal teams. Maybe being part of a winning team doesn't count for so much, although many of Trinity's starters this year are juniors.
  13. Excellent choice there, eulesseagle. CC can make music out of some things that really don't make sense. That just made we wonder if you and I should team up and attend a North Texas game together sometime!
  14. I'm thinking, based on the quote by their head coach, that he had nothing to do with planning their choreographed end zone celebration (his words are in quotes): “In this life, I think sometimes you get what you deserve,” said Elson, whose team was flagged for an excessive celebration penalty - which led to a missed extra point and the one-point scoring difference. “We didn’t handle ourselves well there at the end of the first half, and then we came out in the second, turned the ball over and let them right back in it. “It was their Senior Day, giving them momentum, and then we just didn’t handle ourselves the way we needed to handle ourselves.” The loss will no doubt leave a bitter taste in the mouths of the Hilltoppers, who celebrated their goal of seven wins just a week ago. But while it hurts for the seniors, Elson said the returning players will remember this feeling next season. “You also have to handle yourself with character and class no matter what happens. But we’ll take this and learn from it, and I think that’s all we can do at this point.” Those may be the bluest words out of (or about) Bowling Green since the Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen song from years ago, "Down to Seeds and Stems Again Blues". For those of you not of the Lost Planet, hear the key words from an excerpt of that song by clicking on the following link, then clicking "Down to Seeds and Stems Again Blues". Sample of "Down to Seeds and Stems Blues"
  15. I MUST recommend against anyone going out to the Western Kentucky site; it brought in browser hijack hell to my computer, but I got rid of all of it (I hope and pray) with the "system restore" thing. Man, I just regard that whole outfit and their board as pure evil!
  16. Well then, maybe we should pray...for North Texas to win, and for you to get out of it without going to the ICU!
  17. Sorry if I took the original context wrong, but if the Intended context is that we cannot recruit players of Samoan. or more generally, Polynesian heritage to North Texas, I also disagree. Perhaps it is not as well known to most of the board members that the Euless Trinity football team has performed very well in recent years (state 5A Division I champ 2005; lost in bidistrict to SLC 22-21 in 2006), due in no small part to the large Tongan population in Euless (although, as I said, there are also players of Samoan and Hawaiian heritage here). Trinity had 4 players recruited to D1 schools in 2005 and 2006; I am glad that 2 of those, Marcus King and Jordan Scoggins, went to North Texas (I do not know whether Marcus King is Tongan; I'm sure Scoggins is not, but King helped convince him to choose UNT over Iowa State). In both those years, Trinity players of Tongan heritage were recruited by other D1 programs, including BYU and Arizona State, but none to Hawaii. There is so much out on the Internet about the Polynesian influence on American football that it could become the subject of a web site, but just thought I'd add a link to the third of a 3 part series (has links to parts 1 and 2) from CBS sports. I would like to point out that there's a story about a player from the islands going to play at Kansas State (I don't think Manhattan, Kansas has that much more to offer than Denton), and that there's mention about the"second generation" of Polynesian footballers in the U.S., those born on the Mainland, some from mixed marriages. Please be aware that, although I consider it a very good idea for UNT to recruit yet more players from Euless Trinity, I don't think it's that bad an idea to "recruit the islands"; that is a long flight, but we do have a convenient location with respect to an international airport. Other mainland Universities, such as the University of Colorado do so. It's a big world out there, we need to think big occasionally. Link: Polynesian influence on American football And, if you haven't seen this, it's from a recent CBS evening news special, mostly about Euless Trinity football. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/13/...in3497992.shtml
  18. I don't know if that's the most ignorant post I've seen on this forum, but it's right up there. The capital city of American Samoa has produced more NFL players per capita than any other city anywhere, and there's certainly no close second. I hope none of the guys I'd like to see come to NT from Euless Trinity, yes many from Tongan, but also Samoan and Hawaiian, take your attitude as typical of Mean Green supporters. We thrived when we were ahead of other schools in the south on racial issues; let's not forget where we came from!
  19. Last Saturday I was getting a haircut at the usual place (only barbershop in Euless?). Imagine my surprise when, not instigated by me, the main topic of conversation was Mean Green football. Honestly, I do not know if they were serious (although they weren't laughing) when one said North Texas would beat LSU next year. I do know they were serious when they said North Texas had a great football future. Some conversational items: When the offense scores 67 points (thier number, not mine) and the team doesn't win, it's an indication of defensive problems. No saying that Mendoza would/should be fired. Mention that although Dodge brought Mendoza with him, after the season he would probably be evaluating whether whether he would stay. North Texas will get the great recruits from SLC and Euless Trinity, simply because of the prospects for football greatness that Dodge brings. Why should I take these guys seriously? Maybe because they cut the hair of a lot of head coaches and assistants in this area...
  20. Or perhaps, realistic. I agree with the implied assumption that negative posts are of little use as information; maybe they provide some release to those sending them-venting has it's purposes. In a broader sense, I view this particular thread as being useful criticism, whether of those playing/coaching or of those forum members posting an opposite viewpoint. In other words, maybe some of us are arriving at that "clear headed" state Dodge once mentioned on his radio show. I would like to say I've considered TFLF as being negative; although I feel I should respect him due to his longer "tenure" on this board. I did appreciate a couple of his comments for reasons which I will state. I hope he'll forgive my references to high school play, but it is where we will continue to get most of our future players, perhaps even future coaches. I will disagree with earlier questions from TFLF as to whether or not coaches with no higher than high school experience can succeed at the college level. Case in point; Todd Ford. To balance that, I think I've detected some board member criticism of signing recruits from the JUCO ranks, as was a more common (perhaps too common) practice of the previous coaching staff. Cases in point, Omar Haugabook of Troy and Colt Brennan of Hawaii. From that perspective, I credit TFLF generally for defending the nonstereotypical student athlete, although reserving the right to disagree on particular ones. In short, I don't care as much where someone has been, as much as the direction they're headed. On to his comments in this thread: He mentioned the respect given to the ASU secondaries, and the possibility it was excessive on the part of Dodge and Ford. In the Monday morning quarterbacking of last year's Euless Trinity-Southlake Carroll game, one of my coworkers who is involved in high school football mentioned the avoidance of Youri Yenga ( All State 1st Team Defensive Lineman, Dallas Morning News Defensive MVP, Fort Worth Star-Telegram) by the Carroll offense. As a Euless Trinity fan (keep winning, guys), I think that showed good judgment by Carroll (now UNT) offensive coaching staff, as Yenga still managed to make major plays, including a leap over Carroll offensive linemen to land on Riley Dodge's head. To touch briefly on the "prevent or not prevent" defense mentioned by others in this thread, I believe that Trinity was the first team to hold the Carroll offense to so few (22) points in 2006, BY IMPLEMENTING A THREE MAN RUSH, AND DROPPING EIGHT IN COVERAGE. Actually, good pressure on the quarterback resulted from that defensive scheme (receivers well covered, QB has to eat the ball?), and it also cut down on running yardage Riley had gotten in other games. Not to digress too much, but great tackling in the secondary IS SOMETHING FOR WHICH UNT FOOTBALL NEEDS TO GAIN RESPECT. If it is something ASU has that was taking away our deep passing game, let's learn something from them. If there is an underlying reluctance to attack the perceived strength of an opponent with actual strength of ours, i would consider that a legitimate criticism. The other comment from TFLF which I appreciate is the praise of the offensive line, most of whom were recruited for run blocking. I've only watched 2 UNT games to completion this year, with MTSU and Navy, and , other than the quick (and early) score by J-MO in the MTSU game, didn't see enough of the running game to notice run blocking. Although the board seems pleased with the progress of the o-line during the season, I haven't concluded that offensive line play has been perceived as a traditional strength for UNT as it has here at Euless Trinity, which has made adjustments for early season injuries quite nicely, thank you. Please be aware that the stereotype of Trinity linemen as 300+ pound Tongans is not completely true, and that the athleticism of even our largest o-linemen might surprise many. Of course, I'd love to see a recruiting pipeline from Trinity to UNT that beats the ones to BYU and Arizona State, but mostly want an outstanding o-line as well as downfield blocking by skill players to become a UNT tradition. I'd love to see what other board members think will accomplish that in terms of profile of the type of o-line recruit, position needs for the next 1 to 4 years, recruiting pipelines, and development of o-line unit and players, once in the program. Oh yes, for those who want to see some of our Euless Trinity Trojans in action (btw, they're playing great defense this year), they start playoff action tonight against Arlington Martin; 7:30 p.m., Nov. 16, Birdville Fine Arts Stadium (don't laugh, that "culture thing, yes including our players dancing the haka, is a way I keep my wife interested).
  21. In football worthy fashion, you just took what they gave you!
  22. Ok, it was worth experiencing what was an emotionally devastating evening just to laugh that hard. Also, before eating, drinking, or any other hand to mouth activities!
  23. Also great points by you, Rick, particularly in regards to Gmoney on going for 3. I was wondering before that fg attempt if it might not be better to go for it, since we've been giving up lots of field position (and points) recently by playing conservatively on the exchanges. I'll continue to support Dodge and the move to a "wide-open" offense, as long as he doesn't forget that it's "wide-open" that got him here, and not "close to the vest".
  24. I've found this on the EulessTrinityTrojans web site. Those of us who drool at the prospect of seeing their defensive line anchor, Robert Griffin (No. 88, all 6'7", 360 lb. of him), play at UNT may enjoy watching him anchor the "Haka" on CBS tomorrow. Here's the link: Euless Trinity on CBS, doin' the Haka! Here he is displaying his dancing skills: A little game and dance video! Coach Dodge, PLEASE DO NOT let these guys (or anyone other than North Texas) sign this guy! Let him name his own defensive coordinator if he wants, but DON'T lose this player! What we can't let happen. Sorry I don't have any game video of this stud, but those wanting to see some guys who love to play defense, come watch Trinity play Arlington Martin Friday, Nov. 16, at Birdville Fine Arts stadium (yes guys, you may have to take a little culture with your football). It would be well worth the price of admission!
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