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If Wren does things like his good friend Rhoades at Baylor, none of us will know ANYTHING until the ink is dry. The only leaks in the Rhule and Aranda hires came right at the end and from the other school. I was very interested in both of those hires and have good friends deep in the Ath Dept there. I never had a clue which way it was going. It's just rumor, speculation and fan talk right now with UNT, Tech, TCU, and SMU (if Dykes goes to TCU).

I like him a lot. I've had kids play for him both at Commerce and SFA. Two of my ex players coached on his National Championship team. He is a rising star. Energetic, passionate, but better yet he is a very knowledgeable coach. I think with the right staff and time he would do well at UNT.

Joey has faced that bad choice head on. It was an embarrassing situation not only for him but also his family, staff, and school. He has used it as a teaching tool for his players ever since it happened. Preaching the message of character, making good choices, and the consequences that come with bad choices. He is a living example of repentance, forgiveness, humbleness, and overcoming bad choices. I've been around Joey most of his career. As someone that does not partake in alcohol of any kind myself, I can say with an honest voice that Joey does not have a problem in this area.

No. Dibble was the first coach at Fossil Ridge. Dodge went 2-7 and 5-5 there. Olivo followed him and went 8-4 and 11-3 the next 2 years. Ledbetter and Dodge both had great careers at Carroll. Ledbetter had three 16-0 seasons (with way less resources) and Dodge had four 16-0 seasons. Rapp did take a bit of a nosedive in his 4 seasons there but he did have a 12-2 season shortly before Dodge took over. Carroll was still a giant that had bad leadership for a short period of time between these two coaches. I am not putting Dodge down at all. I think he is a tremendous coach. I also believe he could have been a great college coach if he had followed a different path on his way there. He was put in a bad situation and didn't help himself with the choice to bring his staff with him.

I can't speak for him personally but I think he would take the UNT job in a second. Like I said before, facilities, location, AD, upward conference movement, and future commitment to athletics are excellent. The Tech interest in Joey is obviously something new. The money and conference prestige would be hard to compete with but they haven't even started the process of interviewing candidates and who really knows what direction they will go anyway.

I'll start of by saying again that I am just a t-shirt fan of UNT. I don't have any real inside knowledge of the coming and goings from inside the UNT Athletic Department but I have been in the athletic business for 30 years and over this time have made some tremendous connections with both HS and college coaches/AD's. Seth has always struck me as the kind of guy I would like to hang out with at the ranch or go fishing with but he never struck me as the kind of guy that would inspire a program to be great. I truly believe he is a good man with a good heart but does not have the leadership qualities or personality to lead a program. There is nothing wrong with that (some people have it and some don't) unless he is your Head Coach. Going back to when UNT hired Dodge there was a collective "Oh Wow" expressed by HS coaches across the state. We were happy that one of our own had made it straight to the big time without going through the learning process. But at the same time we were apprehensive because Dodge was a maintainer and not a builder. He has been the HC at 6 different schools. He was tremendously successful at SL and Westlake both traditional powerhouses. At the other 4 schools he never had a season with a winning record. He then brought his whole staff with him. I believe that from an X and O standpoint there are many HS coaches that can hold their own in college. However, they were lost when it came to recruiting and the every day workings of a college program. Dodge had never built something from nothing. He has always taken a powerhouse and made them better and he is VERY good at it. I believe Dodge could have been successful if he would have brought in experienced college coaches that understood the ins and outs of running a college program. There are many successful college coaches that got their start in HS. They didn't just jump to the top, but worked their way up. Two examples of builders are Traylor and McGuire. Traylor took over Gilmer who had lost their way for several years and built them into a powerhouse (some may question how he built them) before moving up to college. Traylor is an X&O guy. He worked for several programs before finding his way to UTSA. None of the programs he was at were very successful in the W/L column. But you can learn a lot from seeing how not to do something. What he learned along the way no doubt is helping him create a winner. Joey McGuire was promoted to HC at Cedar Hill as a very young coach. He had never been a coordinator of any kind. When he took over Cedar Hill had never won a playoff game in their history. He built them into a traditional winner. Joey is a tremendous coach but he is a CEO who hired great coaches and let them coach. Spend 5 minutes with McGuire and you will be ready to run through a wall for him and feel like he is your best friend. His energy and personality is contagious and permeated throughout the entire program from the AD to the janitors. He was one of the first coaches Rhule hired at Baylor to help open doors for recruiting. A year later he was promoted to AHC. Joey turned down the UTSA job in hopes of getting the Baylor job. When Aranda was hired, Baylor made it a priority to keep him on staff as AHC. It wasn't easy as OU, Texas Tech, UT, and Carolina Panthers came calling. He has helped guide Baylor through two complete rebuilds under two great head coaches. He is ready now for his own program. If I was the UNT AD Joey would be at the top of my very short list. I know he is on Texas Tech's and will probably be on SMU's if they lose Dykes. Keeler would be my 2nd choice. I know he is older but he neither looks or acts it. He is a great coach that knows how to use the portal and get inside front doors in recruiting. Greenminer said he wanted to know the process that Baylor used to find Rhule and Aranda. Well Rhodes and Wren are extremely close friends. I'm sure there will be some brain picking going on IF and WHEN a time is needed for it.

Knowing Phil personally for many years, I doubt any of these are true. If he is coaching your team you can rest assured that he is all in all the time.

That is not hard to do if the Juco has a good academic advisor. My sister happens to be that person at this juco. Bring the non-qualifying kids in the summer after HS and start school immediately. 3 semesters plus 2 summers will easily get their 60 hours and associate degree. This allows them to go to their new program in the spring following their 2nd juco season. You also have qualifiers that are using juco as a stepping stone that can leave anytime they want.

This past weekend I had lunch with my brother-in-law (AD at a Texas Juco) and an AD from a B12 University. Our conversation turned to the transfer portal and how it is becoming the new route instead of looking at juco transfers for immediate help. The B12 AD said it was safer to recruit the portal than juco because these kids had higher potential academically and were highly sought after coming out of HS. Some are transferring because of bad fit/lack of playing time but others are starters that leave for better opportunities. He believes that going forward fewer programs would recruit jucos as they are looking to fill spots of immediate need. My BIL admitted that way fewer colleges were coming through his campus the last 2 years looking for talent. Traditionally they have 25-30 kids go on to 4 year schools for football each year but right now there is very little interest from those programs. He believes several of his kids that typically would be picked up by DI programs will fall to D2 type schools. HS kids will always be the backbone of every program but I think this could be an opportunity for G5 programs to fill some spots with quality talent with less competition from the bigger dogs. Just my thoughts..............

It's a logical assumption. Joey and Traylor are good friends. Joey recommended Traylor to UTSA when he turned down the job 2 years ago. Joey is ready to be a college head coach but he is getting paid a tremendous amount of money at Baylor and is patient. I believe he will do a fantastic job wherever he ends up.

McGuire was never going to Tech with Traylor. He might go by himself but not as the 2nd fiddle.

Right there with ya Brother. Give me the country any day over city life and especially an HP type place.

I think he would. Better location, facilities, recruiting area, AD, and money. Joey is a North Texas guy. He went to high school and college right here in the metroplex. He has always made it clear that he does not want to leave Texas. With the move up in conferences this could be the spot he has been patiently waiting for............but I'm just speculating with a little bit of inside knowledge.

I can confirm this. And I like the idea. He has been the assistant HC under 2 great coaches at Baylor. Helped guide 2 complete rebuilds into top 20 teams. He turned down the UTSA Head job 2 years ago (I was very close to this process) hoping to be named the Baylor head coach. He also turned down a Carolina Panthers, UT, OU and Tech job to stay at Baylor under Aranda. McGuire was inducted into the THSCA Hall of fame this past summer and is extremely well liked by HS coaches. He is the lead recruiter for Baylor on their big targets. He would be a much stronger choice than some of the names I've seen listed on here. But my opinion carries no weight except that I know several of them personally. I know Wren and Rhoades (Baylor AD) are very close. I don't have any real skin in the fight as I am just a UNT t-shirt fan (my parents both graduated from there back in the late 50's) but I root hard for them every weekend.

Trashname, My first time posting on here but your story brought me out of my read only mode. I truly am touched by your story. I've been a coach for 30 years and have seen a few of my ex players fall into the "One bad day" situation. I have kept up with many of them over the years. I am glad to say some learned, grew, and moved forward in a positive direction. Sadly some didn't. As a coach my goal is to reach and develop them not only as football players but more importantly as young men. I hope that when my day is done I can look back and say I had a positive role in their lives. I hope you and your wife continue to grow, cherish and love each other.