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  1. 2 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

    What's the difference between 2014 (the year after NT's "greatest" season) VS 2017 (the year Littrell's squad won C-USA West)?   The schedule is virtually the same... except that we won 9 games under Littrell.  So the expectations changed to expecting to win them.
    Yes, Fine is great, but Littrell didn't "luck" into him.   He was friends with Fine's HS coach.   
    Who knows what the Dickey teams would have done with the 2017 schedule?  We did lose 3 out of 4 bowl games to C-USA teams under Dickey, so I truly don't know.

    I am saying, in general, that Dickey also went undefeated for a long time in Conference play. Won how many Conference titles? And Dickey did win a bowl game. I did not have my expectations changed at all by Seth, and I thought for the money, he needed to win twice as much as Dickey. 

    Seth did luck into Fine, and it was super dumb luck. Seth wasn't trying to recruit Fine. 

    What is really bad is I was never a Dickey fan. 

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  2. 1 hour ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

    It's so weird... When you expect to win, the schedule suddenly becomes "easy".   This, most-certainly, has not been the case for very long around here.

    Seth Littrell's tenure elevated our expectations.   That's a good thing!  Prior to Littrell's first 3 years, our (the fans') expectations were not nearly as high.  I mean, #Hit6 was a thing for crying out loud.
    So, finishing 6-6 versus basically the same schedules as Dodge & McCarney was considered a failure for Littrell's final 3 seasons.  That's a good thing!
    Compare that to finishing 7-5 with a HoD Bowl win in 2013, which is considered by fans as the greatest season UNT football has had since coming back from 1AA (this is a sad reality).

    Do you not see the difference in fans' expectations from 1995-2015 (pre-Littrell's successes) VS 2019-2023 (post-Littrell's successes)?   If yes, who would you say is responsible for those raised expectations?    If no, and you think we, as fans, would still consider 7-5 a "GOAT" season, I can't help you.

    And to clarify/reiterate, I don't think he should still be here.  It was time for him to go, as his tenure had grown stale.

    I think scheduling more winnable games didn't have much to do with the coach. For the last several years, we have had schedules that I thought Dickey's teams could have won, so I don't think Seth had much to do with that. Seth lucked out with Fine. 

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  3. 12 hours ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

    Any coaches over the past 40 years whose tenures you want to say were successes?

    I really only care about the last 25, and at North Texas, the answer is no. I think the AD and the University have mostly only half-assed their commitment to win. Looking back, Dickey did the most for the program with his 4-year run in the Belt. RV was the most detrimental to the Athletic Department and the football program. 

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  4. 3 hours ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

    Dodge never had 3 bodybag games in a season.  Unless you want to say that he made games against teams like Rice into bodybag games, kind of like Dickey did with Tulsa.

    Regardless, my point was not to address all the different external factors that the different coaches have had to deal with.  Regardless of what contributed to make his tenure the winningest of any coach the past 40+ years, it was.

    For the money invested, I think Seth was a huge failure. 

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  5. 43 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

    It's been years since 3-4 bodybag games has been our norm.  Not since the early Dickey years.  And it seemed Dickey had better years WITH the bodybag games than without them.

    Well, Dodge may disagree with you, and the Strength of yearly schedules were still much harder even under Mac. 

    Still it remains that his schedules were by far the easiest I have ever witnessed.

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  6. On 12/30/2023 at 2:15 PM, Mean Green 93-98 said:

    Seth Littrell has the best winning percentage of any coach since the Hayden Fry era.  We may feel like he underachieved, but apparently his tenure represents our ceiling.

    The reality is that he had the easiest schedules ever at North Texas, he had the most money for assistants, and the best facilities. Highest paid in the conference and never won a bowl or a conference championship.  Do not let stats be the only guide, if he had the three to four body bag games a year others had to deal with his record would have sucked also. 

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  7. 10 hours ago, KingDL1 said:

    Seth didn't have to play 4 body bag games a year either; he even cried his way out of the Army series. 

    How many teams with a winning record did Seth beat?

    How many bowls did Seth win?

    How many years did Seth go undefeated in Conference?

    How many Conference Championships did Seth win?

    How many years did Dickey go undefeated in Conference play? 

    I was not a Dickey fan, but given the schedules played, facilities available, and increase in funds for assistant coaches Dickey would have clobbered Seth.

    Seth was a big freaking joke, that laughed all the way to bank.

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  8. This will simply kill most college sports; how many schools can even afford to pay for that? 

    "He wrote that the new policy would help gender equity by demanding that schools provide equal NIL investments for their men's and women's teams. The proposed new model would require schools in the top tier to set aside at least $30,000 per athlete every year for at least half of their athletes in "an enhanced educational trust fund."

     

    I guess a college education is completely worthless now.

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  9. 1 hour ago, tmjerm said:

    Good Lord you guys are miserable.  Seth's future success doesn't hurt our program and may even help.  He was a good man and despite the .500 record gave us some good times.  I agreed with moving on but yall's angst towards him is sad. 

    Can't take a joke, I guess. 

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  10. 1 hour ago, Cr1028 said:

    You must’ve given Todd Dodge a free pass since he only made $185k.

    You also must’ve been excited about our conference performance this season since Eric Morris only lost to the 4 public universities that we know pay more than us. He beat UAB who pays the same and went 2-1 against the privates where we have no idea what they pay. Forget about firing Caponi, just give Morris a raise so we can increase that win total expectation.

    You shouldn't assume you know what excites me! 😜

    I am excited about Eric Morris, though. I may change my mind next season. I am waiting to see what Caponi does in the offseason before I rally the lynch mob. 

    Playing in a much tougher conference with a much stronger schedule with a first-year coach? Going 5-7 and being competitive in all but one game. Not the worst year and not what I hoped for. I have seen improvement.

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  11. And you seem to forget he was the highest-paid coach in Conference USA and never won a bowl or Conference Championship. He half-assed his recruiting. He was for shit on promoting the games and the school. He was paid really well for his time here. He seemed very comfortable being middle of the pack. More worried about his golf game. 

    AND what really killed me is he dropped almost every big game that mattered. 

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