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  1. 2 hours ago, TheReal_jayD said:

    I think seth has to get it right this time. Cant take the risk if an assitant. Has to have play calling expiernce

    This probably will be the mentality, but we need the best guy, not the most experienced guy. It’s okay to go through some growing pains if the inexperienced guy is better in aggregate. Bowen and Reeder were experienced. Valuing experience is fine, just don’t exclude guys without it is my hope.

    Also hoping we can maybe get a good coach who can bring us some solid transfers from his old place, but let that be an added bonus.

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  2. 9 minutes ago, MeanGreen_MBA said:

    How about the scenario where a tip QB, possibly in the race for a Heissman trophy, plays in a semi irrelevant bowl game in a last chance to impress the voters. However, 3 of his top receivers that he has timing with and trust all opt out. That QB has to work with inexperienced guys and has a horrible game with 3 INT’s in the 1st. This blows his HT chances that were already slim. How does he feel about his teammates that let him down now??? (real scenario)

    Heisman ballots were due 10 days ago

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  3. 22 minutes ago, UNTexas said:

    I would have totally supported it. I would also hope they let them travel to be on the sideline with the team. I don't know anyone who would have given them a hard time. People forget a young player would get a chance to step up and get experience. Just because a player isn't suited up or didn't travel doesn't mean they aren't part of the team. Redshirts, injured players, or walkons that never play are all part of the team. Coaches always preach next man up and this situation is no different. 

    Thank you. Always appreciate hearing that perspective.

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  4. 21 minutes ago, UNTexas said:

    I told someone basically the same thing last night when people complained about players sitting out of the Cotton Bowl. Its ridiculous. Coaches can make millions while players get free college but are broke and a select few sit because they want to play on Sundays to hopefully get a big payday. Why get hurt in an irrelevant bowl game? Everyone saw saw what happened to Jaylon Smith. The schools and their staffs get rich and people get mad when a player watches out for themselves at the end. Unreal.

    I’m definitely in agreement with you, and curious to hear your view, as a former player. If one of your teammates who you busted his tail with for years was a projected draft pick and chose to sit that final bowl game, would that change your view on them? Would you feel they quit on you and the team? Would you understand the decision and be happy for them? What would be the consensus around the locker room, amongst the players?

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  5. 19 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

    Understand. If a coach takes another job then I would prefer him to no longer be a part of the team. If a player chooses to move on, then fine. But should they continue to be on the sideline with the team? My original question last night night was based on the fact that no one provided any information in this case and when they are a member of the coaching staff the comment was that it was "the player's decision", not an agreement was made before hand. Agree or not, things have changed and we will all move on. 

    Again, I posted a thread from this exact same forum just two months ago with a coach quitting his team MIDSEASON, not just before a bowl game, and not a single person called him a quitter, yet when it’s a player the thread becomes littered with it. 

    From what I’ve seen with coaches, from a fan perception it’s pretty much a win-win on the bowl game with the team they are leaving. If they choose not to coach the bowl game, people are understanding and acknowledge that they could be a potential distraction so it makes sense not to coach, and if they do coach they are almost always lauded on the broadcasts for sticking it out and finishing the season they started. 

    If you are consistent or at least have some logic like you mentioned for why you’re going to treat players and coaches differently under similar circumstances, agree to disagree. 

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  6. 5 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

    There is probably a generational issue here without a doubt. It is OK to disagree without constantly telling those who disagree with you how wrong or unenlightened they are. 

    My problem isn’t with disagreement. It’s with double standard. If someone called coaches and players quitters under the same circumstances, I disagree but they are fundamentally consistent. That’s not the case here.

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  7. On October 27th Scotty Walden left his interim HC position with Southern Miss midseason to accept the full-time HC job at Austin Peay. Here is his thread, made during our game with them on October 3rd and continued when he accepted the Austin Peay job. Not a single poster on here called him a quitter or made a critical remark of him leaving the team midseason. There is a clear double standard on how players and coaches’ decisions are viewed in similar circumstances.

     

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  8. 14 minutes ago, SteaminWillieBeamin said:

    Like our very own 'quitter' Darden, huh? 

    Nice to see the generational divide on how they view one of the very best we've had. Right? 

    How about coaches who choose not to coach a bowl game after accepting a new job? Where is the uproar over them quitting? There are no threads in here or people calling them quitters when that happens at other schools, but suddenly people care so much about an Oklahoma State player. Are those coaches from the same generation as the college players?

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  9. 17 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

    Recent years would be more accurate.  At the end of their college career, players with a shot at the NFL quickly drop their team mentality.

    Yeah, last 5 years or so is when we started seeing it. I would say this has more to do with the fact that bowl games essentially mean almost nothing now from what they used to with the college football playoff system. People are so quick to say they are abandoning their team while glancing over the facts that them getting drafted highly is far more important to the team’s future success in recruiting than winning the Cheez It Bowl is. The bowls have become so much less prestigious that it’s more beneficial to serve as a chance to get young players experience for next season than it is to win the game in most cases as well.

    There is just no good example in any other profession, but if everyone on this board went from making $20K a year to accepting a job offer making over $500K a year, while risking the chance of losing that $500K salary job offer while performing the $20K salary job, plenty here would make the best decision in mind for their families, and it would never be seen as abandoning their team that was paying them $20K a year.

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  10. 2 hours ago, MeanGreen_MBA said:

    He quit during a game. What bakes you think that once he has that bug contract he won’t quit in the pros as well. The school gave him an opportunity to showcase his skills to get to the next level.   Why did he even go to the game???  Opt out before the game. 

    Because he’ll get paid money to play. And he’ll get paid more if he does well. It’s not that complicated. Please show me the example of players opting out of bowl games then quitting once they get paid in the NFL? We have years of players opting out of bowls as a sample size at this point.

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  11. 9 minutes ago, MeanGreen_MBA said:

    Let him find his own way home

    Great look for recruiting. “We want to help you reach that dream of playing in the NFL. Unless you opt out to avoid injury once you’ve secured that multi-million dollar draft stock. Then we’ll disown you. But be sure to keep saying our name when they introduce you in the starting lineup and crediting us for your success.”

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  12. 1 hour ago, keith said:

    What would their value be if universities didn’t provide them world-class coaching, the best facilities, nutrition programs, team doctors, sports medicine experts, trainers and the stage to showcase their abilities?  It’s a complicated issue. 

    It would be just as much. The XFL was having a lot of success with NFL washouts. If a similar league was created for the top college-aged players who have not reached NFL eligibility, people would watch that and those players would earn enough in one year to afford 5 years of college. 

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  13. 6 minutes ago, Zeleny' Orel said:

    Do they still list the academic majors of the football players in the game program?  I don't have a program handy but I don't seem to remember them doing so in the last few years, but I might be wrong.  I went to the athletic graduation ceremony a few years ago and there seemed to be a lot of "Integrated Studies" majors among all athletes, not just football players.   Is that a new name for "liberal arts?"  Not saying it is an easy major,  but noticed it was a popular one.

    Yeah I don’t see it on the roster but it was usually that or undecided major. I believe Integrated Studies is just the General Studies degree where there are areas of focus chosen rather than actually getting into the major. Which those degrees, while not entirely worthless, have no specific job market upon graduation. You could be a teacher or other jobs that require degrees without specific majors.

  14. 12 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

    So if we don't agree with you it's an "obsession"?

    Look on twitter at any announcement of a player opting out. Comments are filled with people proclaiming them as quitters. Every time, without fail. Using people in the plural sense.

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    Also, as far as getting "just" a watch or something", I guess I'll never understand people's' obsession in acting like an education doesn't count anymore. 

    A $20,000 a year education when these players would command over $300,000 a year in an open market is a joke. Not to mention most of these players are encouraged to take easy classes and majors that don’t return much of an ROI at all anymore. They could pay for their education 10X over in a system where they received a fair share of the income they generate. It’s a farce. Especially when these guys are about to sign multi-million dollar rookie contracts, I don’t get how anyone can fault them for protecting the future of them and their families.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/college-football-player-value-2017-11%3famp

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  15. 4 minutes ago, SilverEagle said:

    Well, life is full of choices. Mr,. Wallace can choose to not finish the game, and if I were the Head Coach, I would choose to not renew his "ship" next year.

    He’s going to the NFL and any success he achieves there will look very favorably on OK State. Mike Gundy makes millions a year because of people paying big money to watch players like Wallace while Wallace can’t get anywhere near what his true value would be in a free market system.

    Players like Wallace assume all of the risk, and he has already lost potentially millions on his rookie contract from where his stock was prior to his ACL tear, while the coaches don’t have to worry about losing out on their salaries. I’ll never understand peoples’ obsession with labeling these guys quitters for not playing these bowl games that the schools profit off of while the players get just a watch or something out of it, while risking hundreds of thousands of dollars by playing in (for NFL caliber guys).

    Plus, I think it’s a good chance for coaches to work with the guys who will be on the team next season, and multiple reports have stated that this was the plan coming into the game.

     

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