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Posts posted by BillySee58
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48 minutes ago, greenminer said:
@BillySee58 what are your thoughts on how/why Colorado and TxState saw success in year 1 with so much portal turnover? Are they exceptions to a rule? Have they figured out a formula? Do they like pie?
JayD hit the nail on the head. A lot of guys playing in the same system they were in the year before. The day we bring in a Head Coach/OC/DC who brings players with him, then I’ll expect those guys to be ready to go from day one. Otherwise I expect a year of growing pains.
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1 hour ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:
I see what you're saying.
I don't think UNT has utilized all of their tools to be as successful as they possibly can be, namely the transfer portal. And I think that's why it's frustrating. Littrell didn't. And it appears, again the staffing hires we have made, Morris doesn't plan to. And I think it's a short-sighted terrible idea, and extremely frustrating.
He definitely is utilizing the portal and will continue to do so. We’re only one game in, but on paper the portal additions he got were pretty solid. Actual legit playing experience at the FBS level.
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Just now, NorthTexasWeLove said:
Yes. But if we are trying to elevate our HS recruit that we land, which I think given the staffing hires is the plan? You can agree with that?
Then, attrition will naturally increase? Also, how transferring is becoming as common as breathing oxygen, and not just transferring but successful transfer projects, it will also naturally occur even more?
I think those are safe assumptions? Do you agree?
I agree that we are trying to elevate our HS recruiting. I don’t think it is a safe assumption that the HS guys are going to transfer out more as their quality improves. If their quality is improving then so should our quality as a team.
Again, there isn’t much evidence showing guys who are successful players already on successful teams transferring out without a coaching change. Certainly not common enough to change strategies on or treat as anything other than an exception, not the rule.
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Look at the game Maclin had. 122 yards and 2 scores. He averaged 27 yards per game last season. It usually takes these guys a season before they really start impacting the game.
We have seen this historically here. Texada was decent in 2021 but he really became a top defender in 2022. Marcus Trice was not even honorable mention all conference his first season in 2012, then was 1st team all CUSA the next season.
We can go on down the list but this is generally pretty true for the FBS transfers we have brought in over the years. It usually takes a season. I know we all want a quick fix but the irony is you still have to be patient with guys from the portal too.
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27 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:
It is true. Since the portal rules have been established our top players flirt with the idea of it or do it.
OL to Vandy
TE to Arkansas
Corner to Ole Miss
2 DE to UCLA
Corner to UCLA
2 TE to Cal
RB to SMU
Corner to SMU
WR to Hawaii (not sure if rule change had happened yet)
WR to Auburn
LB to Auburn
LB almost to ATM
And these aren't just JAGs, these were major contributors, and many starters. Teams are clearly scouring some of our most productive players and snagging them.
Pleasant surprises have been the RB corp, Mose, and Texada (And he came on late last year, I'll be surprised if he's still here next yr if he plays well). Tip of the hat to Cobbs on keeping that group together.
Again, almost all of these guys you are referring to left during a coaching change or after playing what would’ve been their Senior for us, then using that extra COVID season somewhere else.
We just have not seen it yet where we bring in HS recruits who starts for us as underclassmen and suddenly decide to use us as a springboard when the coach who signed them is still here. If it starts happening with Morris’ actual recruits then we can consider it a valid fear. But until then, guys tend to stay and play for the coach that signed them out of HS.
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5 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:
That's only because we aren't recruiting (or playing well enough) well enough for our players to be plucked away at a high level. The new staff has been hired to recruit HS kids. Great. Go recruit them. If we start getting ballers like this staff is clearly banking on, our attrition will inevitably increase.
That’s just not true. We have seen the offers our average, run of the mill starters have gotten in the portal. Guys like Cam Johnson and Larry Nixon getting scooped up by UCLA and Auburn clearly shows it doesn’t take guys being all conference here to attract P5 teams.
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9 minutes ago, TripleGrad said:
Building our players won't work in the world of NIL and transfers. If our guys get good, they'll get recruited away.
That leaves transfers. Colorado and Texas State just proved the case.
I think the picture here has been painted inaccurately because of not weighing in all the variables. We had a coaching change. Of course dudes were going to transfer. Also the extra COVID year doesn’t get factored in.
But with Littrell all the dudes tended to stay, when the coach who signed them was still here. Then when he left we saw more guys leave. But the Murphy twins were the only guys who left who actually left early while Littrell was still here. The other guys were all grad seniors who had already played 4 years here and chose to use that extra season somewhere else.
I think that’s what we’ll see with the guys Morris is bringing in from HS. Even if they start early they aren’t just going to leave as long as he’s still here. Now as for the HS recruiting, need to start seeing more impressive d-line and LB recruits.
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On 9/2/2023 at 6:59 PM, Got5onIt said:Still too early to tell. Remind why NT didnt go after a P5 coordinator to fill the HC spot? Was it money again? I’m hoping this doesn’t turn into Teflon Todd 2.0.
You mean like the Offensive Coordinator at P5 Washington State?
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2 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:The Green Room (Brune and Collin) really put a negative spin on this (it looks like they checked in with Mike Craven first to maintain the DCTF party line). It seems like a couple of guys who can't understand how the person the anointed (Rogers) was not given the job on a silver platter. I like the guys, but this was one of the worst Pods that have ever done. Both, especially Collin, very negative.
I think the narrative with Earle changes a lot because he mostly sat last season. People forget that he was honestly the most established division 1 QB we had brought in from the portal before Rogers.
Had Earle been fresh off his solid true sophomore performance at ACU and beat out Rogers, we’d be surprised but we wouldn’t be looking at it an indictment on the QB room. We’d just be looking at it as getting a high-quality guy out of battle between two transfers who performed well at their last D1 spot.
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10 hours ago, meanJewGreen said:
Still of the belief that the titans should renounce their claim to the Oilers logo/jersey and we should rename the Texans accordingly.
Nah. Titans were the Oilers, even in Tennessee. Texans never were. Very glad they will be wearing the Oilers throwbacks against the team that has only ever been the Houston Texans.
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9 hours ago, emmitt01 said:
No, I just think we can’t have it both ways. Either we “embrace our history” or don’t get mad when people refer to us by a name we literally wear across our chests
I love when my Titans wear the Oilers throwback jerseys. No one in the Titans organization is concerned that media will confuse using a throwback name with desire to use that previous name in the present. Humans are capable of understanding nuance, of which this only requires the slightest bit.
The change happened 35 years ago. Only people who still get it wrong are 50+ people who refuse to make even the slightest effort to correctly associate the name we’ve been using since the Reagan administration.
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Started a podcast with my pal @WanderingEagle:
https://play.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/27736944/theme/modern/tdest_id/4111206
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5 hours ago, UNTLifer said:
We only have one player on the roster who runs out of eligibility after this season, and that’s Robert Allen. We also already have a class of 2024 Commit in Jaylen Washington. My guess is we are saving that spot rather than wasting it on a Bryce Zephir type that would just tie up a scholarship for future years without actually helping the team.
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On 8/1/2023 at 2:22 PM, UNTLifer said:
Is our class full or do we have one more spot open?
We have an open spot
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On 6/26/2023 at 9:07 AM, MGNation92 said:
Looks like they updated heights/weights for the players.
We better be fast as hell, because we sure seem really small
I think we’re just listing sizes honestly and accurately instead of the time-honored tradition of adding 10 lbs to everyone’s weight and 2 inches to everyone’s height
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26 minutes ago, Dannymacfan said:
No Allen is backing up Sisoke I believe.
I think it’ll be a 3-man rotation at the 4/5 positions. It’s what we saw from Mccasland most years. 19-20 it was Geu and Simmons starting with Bell off the bench, and when Bell came in Geu either went to the bench or slid to the 5. 21-22 was similar with Bell and Ousmane starting and Scott off the bench, with Scott either coming in for Bell or sliding Bell to the 5.
I expect something similar for the current team. Allen backing up both Scott and Sissoko. With his size and skill set he should be able to play both the 4 and 5 spots.
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6 hours ago, southsideguy said:
So when we sign a "athlete " what does that actually mean? We are not sure where he will play? It would seem if you are building a team you want to get the pieces for your plan?
The athlete designation is given by the recruiting services. Not by our coaching staff. He’s going to play linebacker here.
A lot of times the “athlete” designation is given when a player is going to play a different position in college than what he played in HS, or he plays multiple positions in HS that he could potentially project to in college.
For example, with a high school QB who projects as a receiver, that player is most likely going to be classified as an athlete because it is hard to rank that player amongst receivers who are actually playing receiver in high school. Hard to call a high school QB “the number 8 receiver in the country” when he has never caught a single pass in high school due to playing QB, for example.
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3 minutes ago, meanJewGreen said:
He's been fun to watch during summer league. I'm curious if he'll get a two way. Maybe an Exhibit 10. He could be a cheaper THJ
I believe he was signed to an Exhibit 10 already
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Having realistic dreams of catching a top 25 team in Denton and dropping them
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1 hour ago, p_phelps said:
Why are his offers not great? Us, tulsa who is down and Arkansas state, the rest lower level. I was hoping we could win a sought after qb recruit. This looks like the same gets that Seth would pick up
I think this is a fair concern. Especially because he has the prototypical height. Bean’s offer list looked better, but pretty comparable to Bryce Drummond and Cade Pearson, better than Kason Martin’s and Fine’s.
Will definitely give Morris the benefit of the doubt. QB is one of the positions I probably care the least about offer lists, surprisingly. Get a guy you like and develop them. In a year it doesn’t matter if your offer list looks like Jace Ruder’s, Stone Earle’s, or Chandler Rogers’.
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Once again the impact of the extra COVID year is completely omitted from these type of conversations. 5 classes of college athletes were each granted an extra season of eligibility, and teams did not add extra scholarship spots on their teams. A huge bottleneck was created with players graduating high school but not having a proper departing class to make room.
Of course not everyone who entered the portal was able to find a home. There was a huge surplus of players both in the portal and not in the portal. But that never seems to be taken into consideration with the portal panic.
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26 minutes ago, Side.Show.Joe said:
UNT Doesn't have any more money games scheduled. All of our P5 games (Texas Tech, Baylor, Missouri, & Colorado) are all home and home series.
Wow, just realized that Wisconsin game is off the schedule. Was supposed to be a buy-game in 2025.
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23 minutes ago, Side.Show.Joe said:Under Wren it seemed like UNT was set on playing OOC schedules consisting of one P5 (home&home series), two G5's (home&away series), & buying a home game against an FCS program. But looking at our future OOC schedules that philosophy seems to be changing. Beginning around 2027 or 28, UNT is only scheduling 1 away game per season, no FCS games, and has no more than 3 OOC games scheduled for any season.
2027
- 09/11 - Texas Tech
- 09/18 - Wyoming
2028
- 09/02 - at Baylor
- 09/09 - Louisiana Tech
- 09/16 - Army
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2030
- 08/31 - Texas State
- 09/14 - Missouri
https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/north-texas/
Is UNT expecting the AAC to move to a 3 OOC game structure in '27 or '28? Or is UNT expecting to be in a different conference that only plays 3 OOC games a year? Are you happy that the FCS games seem to be going away?
Part of it is that we had OOC series scheduled against Tulane and Memphis plus seemed to be expecting the annual SMU game as well. With all of those becoming Conference foes that put us back to the drawing board with some OOC games.
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8 hours ago, UNTcrazy727 said:
I said Players Transferring. It's the worst by-product of NIL.
Players should only get 1 free transfer. After that, you have to sit a year.
I think we’re starting to see that. The impact of the COVID year is usually understated in these “issues.” Because of the free COVID year, a ton of dudes in college football have graduated with still 2-3 years of eligibility left. Grad transfers don’t have to sit out.
We now have the last 3 HS classes that were not playing college football during the free 2020 season. As those older dudes phase out and with a lot of guys having already used their sit-out free transfer, I think it’s going to be a little more reasonable.
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Transfers - What Percent Should We Target
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What are you hoping for out of the portal? Paula Vaipulu started double digit games at a P5 school (Georgia Tech), and he still got beat out by a guy we signed out of high school. Trey Cleveland and Blair Conwright had productive seasons in the receiver rotations for P5 schools (Texas Tech and TCU). Chandler Rogers was a starter at ULM with solid stats. Phil Hill was a starter at UNLV who had 3 picks his last season there. Larry Moore was on the 2-deep at LT at Texas Tech as a redshirt freshman.
It’s not like we’re bringing in a bunch of G5 backups. And still none of these guys made any difference in game 1. Not sure what a few more of them does immediately. It takes time. I don’t think the expectation from our fanbase about what you get out of the portal currently matches reality.