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16 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:
Yep. About the only thing NT and Denton have successfully partnered on.
Missed my point. The NIL was created to allow players to earn money off of their "Name, Image and Likeness". Schools, smuT comes to mind, decided to bend the rules and create collectives to essentially pay kids a salary for being on the roster. Had nothing at all to do with NIL. The NCAA got scared of being sued and drop the ball and set this up with zero oversight.
The change, to me, is this. I support UNT because it is my school. I liked watching kids like Scott Hall, Johnny Quinn, Patrick Cobbs, etc. sign with NT, fall in love with playing here, work hard, develop over their four years, honor them on Senior Day and become Hall of Famers. That is gone. Today's kids are loyal to the money and don't give a damn about NT.
Would you be loyal to your employer if a competitor came along and offered to 3x your salary? And SMU was not even one of the first to put together a Collective so again the incessant hate is irrational and misguided.
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11 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:
That's like saying Alabama is still Alabama stuck in Tuscaloosa. There was and is zero value placed in the education these kids receive, the free housing, meals, tutoring, healthcare, etc... when less than 5% will earn money in professional sports once they are done in college. 99% of these young men and women should be picking a school that has the major of their choosing and that has a track record of preparing them for their life after sports. Too many people are telling these kids to get all the money they can right now with zero thought about their education and the life lessons that should be being taught at this time.
Its a different story when you are comparing blue blood programs. Alabama can recruit anyone from anywhere. Memphis can't (and still won't despite a fairly impressive NIL commitment).
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36 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:
UTSA has a better location than us given the fact they are the only football brand in a very large city. They pull better for their games when they are bad than we do when we are good. They have more donors than we do. They celebrate their accomplishments on the boardwalk with thousands of people. We celebrate ours on Twitter as our coaches depart.
UTSA absolutely does not have a better location. SA is not a great area for HS football talent and they do not have deep NIL pockets. They are maximizing their value and holding the programs to a high standard. Good for them. But if you poll the vast majority of G5 coaches/administrators on which program has a better foundation I'd argue most would lean towards UNT.
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21 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:
I don't understand why you are here.
Your university, as much, or more, than any other university, has contributed to the current situation and I will laugh when you all end up in the same boat as the rest because you won't be part of the "have's" when the break occurs. To the UT's, Bama's, Ohio State's, and Michigan's of the world, you all are just the snotty nosed kid with rich parents that is fun to bring along because you will pay for crap nobody else wants to.
LOL. SMU is small potatoes in why college athletics is in its current state. You really think SMU was even the most egregious cheater in the 80's halcyon days? Get real. Paying players is as old as the game itself. What has changed in the last 10-15 years is the amplification of money via social media as well as TV contracts that have ballooned raising everything from coaches salaries to facilities to yes.....NIL.
Blaming SMU for anything to do with where things are headed in college athletics is beyond stupid. Everything that's being done now is being directed by the TV suits. Nothing more. Nothing less. You're letting hatred blind you.
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1 minute ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:
Please understand that our geographic location has never changed. Also understand that our recruiting has always lagged, even behind a few schools you mention. A lot of our facilities have been better or on par to our peers for over a decade. And there has not been a net positive. We spent millions of dollars in a pretty nice IPF. What has that gotten us from a recruiting or performance standpoint? Now, add in the portal and NIL. Psh. I love your optimism for us. It's weird. it's not really warranted, but I like it.
That's the attitude of someone resigned to defeat. UNT is in a better location and I'm certain has deeper pockets than UTSA. You don't see UTSA using excuses of why they can't be successful despite some pretty clear limitations. Allowing the past to determine your future is silly to me. Find the right mix of people who capitalize on the strengths and mitigate the weaknesses. UTSA did it. Don't tell me UNT can't.
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Just now, untjim1995 said:
Because G5 players aren't leaving because they are buried on the depth chart and can get playing time at some P4, they are leaving because they can play at this level and the P4 schools know they can buy them away easily.
Y'all will use your money, just like y'all always do, to buy players away from G5s now that you're in the ACC. Before, you could take advantage of Power kids transferring to you for playing time and money against G5s. Now, you'll switch this up and raid Denton, San Antonio, Ruston, Tulsa, etc...
That's just not worth my time or money. I got better things to do. If others feel differently, that's awesome. But that's 180 degrees away from the college sports I enjoyed as a young man and adult.
The only thing that is constant is change. I can understand yearning for the days of yesteryear but why not take advantage of the current system? Access to the playoff is there. Proximity to quality recruiting and local transfers via the portal is there. The programs that should be terrified are UTEP, LA Tech, Ark State, Wyoming, etc. where you are geographically isolated and objectively poor. UNT is neither of those things at the G5 level.
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4 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:
Memphis just got FedEx to pony up $25 million for the next 5 years for NIL for football, hoops, and other women's sports. That's not counting their money they give for sponsorship of their athletic department.
We have nothing like this. Maybe some G5s do, but most don't.
Its still Memphis. There are infinitely more talented prospects within 100 mile radius of UNT than in the entire state of TN. Memphis is a straw man argument.
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21 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:
Absolutely--all of this. My son is going off to college in the fall. Both of his parents are UNT grads, but he wanted nothing to do with coming here, because he wanted to go somewhere that had good academics AND that athletics mattered, just like his best friends and cousins all felt. So, he's heading to one of those P4s and we are very excited for him.
I just think if we hadn't given up after the SWC pipe dream was burst, it would've been different here...a lot different, too. Again, I think UH was who we could've been just like. In the mid-to-late 70s, our programs were very similar. Both were successful as independents. UH got into the SWC because they only had little ol' Rice to compete with in their market. And they were hugely successful immediately, in both major sports. That got a lot of Houston Energy Money to be invested in their program. We could've emulated that in some fashion, but instead, Hayden Fry leaves and we eventually gave up. That was just too much to overcome, particularly in the timeframe you mention above.
UCF moved up to FBS right around the time we made our way back up in 1995. But they didn't have alumni and students that watched their school blow off sports for 12 years like we did. They went about building up a program in a manner that made sense and today, they are in the Big 12. No reason at all that we couldn't have been something like this today if we had made athletics a priority. Instead, we decided that I-A was a way to make more money by whoring out the program and playing at a toilet for decades. Those decisions still have ramifications that killed any chance of us being anything close to what we wanted to be. And the portal bit has killed college sports for me. I literally watched about 3 games of college football last year. And college basketball, which is my first love, is also losing its appeal, too. The NIL, while I'm not a fan of it, I understand why its there. The portal, though, is just too much for me to accept. It's just not worth my time or money to invest in it when the players are using that system to move up from Denton as soon as they can. I don't blame them, either. But college sports was built on familiarity and the players being "ours". That's just no longer a viewpoint that I feel anymore when any player that produces in any fashion just can leave at any time they choose.
Please explain to me how the portal has killed college football for you. Coaches have left schools/players in the lurch for decades. Should a kid that is buried on the depth chart somewhere be forced to stay and waste the best years of his life? How many kids have transferred and then gone on to play in the NFL?
People are upset that the players actually have power now. The players who put their own body and potential future health at risk for the enjoyment of a bunch of middle-aged dudes. The players who spend virtually every waking hour in class, practice, training, lifting, running, studying, etc. Its about damn time they've rightfully been given the freedom to go where they want and to be finanially compensated.
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9 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:
It's not really doom and gloom. It's a pattern of behavior that has led to a pattern of results. We are cash poor, we spend average money, our collective is in the bottom third of our own peers, and we are perceptually a weird, liberal arts college (some truth to that). The Why not North Texas mantra has been ran through by coaches, players, administrators, and alum. There is a list of reasons as to why not North Texas. I don't want it to be this way. I don't like it. But it just is.
Sorry I'm not buying that. UNT can and should be among the upper tier of G5 programs. Location alone gives you a huge advantage. Facilities are among the top half of G5. Coaches are being compensated at or near the top of the AAC. The foundation is there.
NIL, for better or worse, is the new coin of the realm (along with the portal). It can be done. I'd rather have the resources at UNT as opposed to nearly all other G5's.
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I don't understand all the hand wringing. I think UNT is positioned about as well as anyone in the G5 to consistently contend for the at-large playoff spot. Its undeniable that access to the playoff is at a level never seen before at the G5 level. Financially there shouldn't be many G5's that will outspend UNT (if the collective has its sh*t together). There is more premium talent in the portal from the DFW area than you can shake a stick at. There are only so many places those prospects can go. Why not UNT?
Use the system to your advantage. Go poach some talent in the portal that would've never considered UNT out of high school. Its how you build depth and increase competition. It can also be done at a relatively low cost for certain positions.
The doom and gloom is misplaced (for now). I do, however, think there will be an eventual break away by the P4 but that is years away.
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50 minutes ago, MeanGreenZen said:
Remember Sonny Dykes? I bet you do.
He said about transfers, “If they weren’t playing where they were, they probably won’t play for you.”I believe there are exceptions to that. But overall, the best transfers to UNT have been proven guys that we got from lower levels. Not the guys who were highly-rated out of high school, signed with a P4 and then never saw the field there.
From the P4, I would be on the lookout for a guy like Marcus Trice. He demonstrated that he could be productive at a high level, but fell down the depth chart on a very talented roster. Grab those guys and give them an opportunity.
Sonny was able to accelerate the turnaround at SMU through the transfer portal so......
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It works both ways. There are plenty of super talented guys in the portal from P5's that will need playing time. UNT should be well positioned to find players in the portal that are in need of PT and a chance to play closer to home.
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Thinking that SMU was the most egregious cheater in the SWC is hilarious. Everyone was cheating. SMU's "sin" was kicking the sh*t out of Texas, A&M, Arkansas, etc. Those schools were more than fine with paying players. They just weren't cool with losing to SMU.
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28 minutes ago, Ross Hodgeson said:
So SMU gets compared to Notre Dame?🤮
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It was inevitable. It might take a few tweaks but this (or something very similar) is going to be the future of college football.
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2 hours ago, NT80 said:
You mean after the previous season. This season he went 15-18 and many wanted him gone! He will fail at $mut too...they all do.
Team was completely gutted by injuries but rebounded late to win 5 of last 7 (including a win over Arizona).
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2 hours ago, TIgreen01 said:
It's amusing that these smu trolls are as thrilled as they are over this hire. He was at USC for ELEVEN years. FGCU was a long time ago. He recruits at a high enough level that they may be able to get out of the cellar of the ACC, but he looks a lot like a Will Wade type guy to me. Expect trouble and underachievement when up against the really big boys. Good luck....NOT.
He was in the Elite 8 in 2021 and has recruited at an elite level. Plenty to be excited about w/ Enfield.
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4 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:
Those were both good jobs and good schools.
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51 minutes ago, golfingomez said:
Enfield is (was) still at USC? I remember watching FGCU at AT&T in the tournament that year... good times
Yep. Dunk City! Pretty incredible what he was able to do with virtually zero resources at FGCU.
If he had stayed another year he'd likely be the winningest coach in Trojan basketball history.
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3 hours ago, dodgefan said:
Maybe that was one of the reasons he was canned. June Jones knows, what happens when you lose to us. lol
He was canned b/c he is in no way prepared to handle the rigors of the ACC. He was a mediocre AAC coach and his record/recruiting proves it. He'll probably do ok for what Rice expects (which is nothing).
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8 hours ago, UNTLifer said:
Uninspiring hire for an uninspiring school. Perfect fit.
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8 hours ago, UNTLifer said:
Uninspiring hire for an uninspiring school. Perfect fit.
Took FCGU to the Sweet 16. Eight appearances in the NCAA tournament including another Sweet 16 and an Elite 8. Also regarded as one the truly elite recruiters in the country. Signed a six year extension with USC after last season.
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29 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:
I think what you were looking to say is Rice has different standards, which isn't too difficult since SMU has none.
Rice has all but given up on athletics. Its sad but them's the breaks if you don't adapt to where college athletics is headed. Prayers up for the feisty night birds!
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The Athletic on DFW Football recruiting
in Mean Green Football
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You are the exception to the rule. No judgment here but for 99% of people if they can 3x their income they are absolutely going to do it. Most younger folks in my profession will jump at even marginal increases. Some of these kids are not going to be playing professional football so if they can get a free education and pocket 100-300k with their degree then they are absolutely entitled and should be encouraged to do so.