TripleGrad

This is indeed the future for the PAC 12, but there's real value in the name. Certain conferences are written into the NCAA rules as being more than equal, and the PAC 12 is one of them. So regardless of membership, it remains a "P5" conference. Much like the Big 12. SMU (and UNT) hopes for a P5 berth run through a raided PAC 12 right now.

Facilities don't win games. North Texas is no better in Apogee than it was in Fouts.

There is a team from Old Denton Week zero they were kickin' They think they're best 'neath a coach named Seth But the Ponies left them just spittin'

9-4 puts SL at 46-42 career at UNT. That's hardly overwhelming, and not next-level caliber.

Here's perspective: since UNT's return to top level football in 1995, the team has won almost exactly 40% of their games at 122-203 (and 20% of bowl games). That means if this team goes 5-7, it's actually above average for our school.

It's not 1 game. It's everything since 2019. To recap: 4-8, 4-6, 6-7 (with a bowl loss), 1-1 with a high-profile blowout. Even in the winning seasons, he loses the bowl games (0-5)

I'm tired of the "talent" argument. I'd buy that argument if he was here a year or two, but he's been here long enough that the whole team is his guys. One of the most important things a head coach is supposed to do at the college level is recruit. Where's the pipeline, where's the development, where are the results? Don't blame the conference either, UTSA is right down the road and they can hang with any reasonable expectations.

Remember, we were chosen for the "whole package", not what happens on the field. Right? Isn't that what folks were saying last year? (anyone know if our volleyball team is good? Or rowing?)

As a complete aside, does anyone else think Phil Bennett looks like Stephen Root playing a coach?

Ah, the forward punt. Always a favored play for the offense.

Might as well get this started . . .

I'm pretty sure I've seen this game before.

I can't wait for that email from the Athletic Department about buying tickets for the next games.

IT'S NOT A SHUTOUT! HURRRRAH!

#hitfour?

Same here.

Welp.... #hitsix?

The TV production looks terrible after the UH/UTSA game on the same channel. Honest question -- who is responsible for TV production? Is it still NTTV or does CUSA have their own crews?

Well this has turned out interesting indeed

Cougars. From what I can remember, I apparently had a great 1 semester at that school

From https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/31611084/college-football-playoff-expansion-12-team-historic-simulations-storylines-more 2014 First round 9 Ole Miss (9-3) at 8 Michigan State (10-2) 12 Boise State (11-2) at 5 Baylor (11-1) 11 Kansas State (9-3) at 6 TCU (11-1) 10 Arizona (10-3) at 7 Mississippi State (10-2) 2015 First round 9 Florida State (10-2) at 8 Notre Dame (10-2) 12 Houston (12-1) at 5 Iowa (12-1) 11 TCU (10-2) at 6 Stanford (11-2) 10 North Carolina (11-2) at 7 Ohio State (11-1) 2016 First round 9 USC (9-3) at 8 Wisconsin (10-3) 12 Western Michigan (13-0) at 5 Ohio State (11-1) 11 Florida State (9-3) at 6 Michigan (10-2) 10 Colorado (10-3) at 7 Oklahoma (10-2) 2017 First round 9 Penn State (10-2) at 8 USC (11-2) 12 UCF (12-0) at 5 Alabama (11-1) 11 Washington (10-2) at 6 Wisconsin (12-1) 10 Miami (10-2) at 7 Auburn (10-3) 2018 First round 9 Washington (10-3) at 8 UCF (12-0) 12 Penn State (9-3) at 5 Notre Dame (12-0) 11 LSU (9-3) at 6 Georgia (11-2) 10 Florida (9-3) at 7 Michigan (10-2) 2019 First round 9 Florida (10-2) at 8 Wisconsin (10-3) 12 Memphis (12-1) at 5 Georgia (11-2) 11 Utah (11-2) at 6 Oregon (11-2) 10 Penn State (10-2) at 7 Baylor (11-2) 2020 First round 9 Georgia (7-2) at 8 Cincinnati (9-0) 12 Coastal Carolina (11-0) at 5 Notre Dame (10-1) 11 Indiana (6-1) at 6 Texas A&M (8-1) 10 Iowa State (8-3) at 7 Florida (8-3) 2021 First round 9 Oklahoma State (11-2) at 8 Ole Miss (10-2) 12 Pittsburgh (11-2) at 5 Georgia (13-0) 11 Utah (10-3) at 6 Notre Dame (11-1) 10 Michigan State (10-2) at 7 Ohio State (10-2)

I expect "normal" for UNT. 6-6 and a loss in the WhoCares Bowl on Dec 13 at 2 PM. This game doesn't change that. I'd love to be wrong, but 33 years of fandom tells me to temper expectations.

One thing about this UTEP game -- it's making me realize that if we somehow got a miracle PAC12 invite, I'd never stay awake through a whole game.