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Congrats to Wren. Definitely left UNT in a better place than he found it.

Can we table the coaching change talks for just a little bit? We're playing for the conference title in 4 days. We've hit the same talking points AD NAUSEAM and we all know where each other stands. It's time to set that to the side for now and start thinking about how insane that we're even in this position. This is a HUGE game for the program to go out of CUSA on top and I'd rather be getting pumped up for that rather than debate the same tired points. See y'all in San Antonio! GO MEAN GREEN! BEAT nUTSAck!

Rule #1 about downvotes: Never complain about downvotes, unless you want a bevy of them. Kindly ask for a Ray, and kind souls may award you one.

He may not deserve "Player of the Game"/MVP, but his play on that last punt (both in handling the ball and getting off a good punt) may have saved the game.

Yeah Wren, give him what he deserves. The chance to coach for his job for the next two games.

Dude who cares. It’s got to be exhausting to always find a reason to be unhappy with the team. Enjoy your night, brother.

Lol what did you want him to say? Praise in public, criticize in private

The scoop on this was that he was happy here but was offered the WVU job. UNT countered to entice him to stay but then WVU backed up the truck with a large raise. My read is that to get his dream job at Ok State he needs to have some P5 experience and this is that at a high level. The candidates we draw in from the upcoming national search are going to be great, they were awesome last round and this time we are in a much better position.

UNT hired Todd Dodge on Dodge on December 12, 2006. Alabama hired Nick Saban on January 4, 2007. Why didn't we just hire Saban instead???

What a bummer for us. Baker was an incredibly kind and caring individual who really wanted to see the students grow and be better people, not just athletes. @meanJewGreen and I went to the women's soccer NCAA tourney at UT a few years back, and Wren, out of the probably 500 UNT fans there and not knowing either of us, spent 30+ minutes just sitting with us and chatting about the athletic programs, the direction of the school, his own life, etc. Great person, great leader, great AD. He'll be missed for sure. Also, I guess I have to change my signature now...

Conference championship and bowl game had me thinking it was 2017 again...and then I see this guy at the AP!

Or better yet, are the mountaineers about to tee it high and let it fly?

This is terrible news. Wren was the best AD we ever had. This is the worst possible news and timing we could have.

If any of yall think Wren would be fired if we don't win in the AAC next year or even 3 years in then i have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you... Wren has got us into the AAC, hired an unbelievable basketball coach, hired a great softball coach, got an indoor practice facility built, a golf facility built, not to mention overseen a great athletic program (outside of football) and even that, based on history has been one of our best football funs in our history. Wren aint getting fired anytime soon.. PERIOD!

I love this combo…thoughts? Go mean Green!

It is kind of shitty that heading into a championship game, the majority of threads on this forum are about firing the coach.

Wren leaving is a loss for UNT. Best of luck to him and his family as the move on to their next chapter. The silver lining of Wren leaving is that he was rewarded with a P5 offer based on his body of work here. This development helps frame UNT as a career-builder rather than a career-ender for motivated athletic directors. This factor paired with the facilities we have in place should help improve the candidate pool. Cheers to hoping that Smatresk & Co. will hire an experienced AD who will elevate UNT to the top of the American Athletic Conference.

This. 100%. My time on GMG has dropped 60% - 70% because of the Chicken Littles on this board. We're in the CUSA championship game for the 2nd time ever and 90% of this board if they're being honest didn't have this team with a winning record at the beginning of the year. 4-8, 3-9, 5-7 if we're lucky, etc. But instead of enjoying a surprisingly good season, I feel like I'm taking a time warp to the Todd Dodge days, McCarney with Andrew McNulty, etc. I stayed on the board and commented back then cuz bitching was clearly deserved. And I'm not saying constructive criticism isn't warranted here, but dangit, we have got to be the bitchiest fan base that made it to their respective conference championship game if I had to take a guess. Been a season ticket holder for 20+ years and I'll take a season like this over the many other seasons I've had to put up with over the years.

I'll chime in on this. I don't care about down votes. They don't deter me from posting what I think, and I don't think they should go away. But, I do respect when someone posts their counter point and tells me they gave me a down vote.

This is the same small time, "Old Denton", approach. We need to conduct an INTERNATIONAL search!

Some of you act like you prefer Littrell not get the bonuses. Bonuses are tied to performance or record, much better than bumping up salaries from an employer prospectus.

Not a single 6 win season in his 3 years after inheriting an 11 win team is a bit different than the situation we are faced with.

I'll try to throw up a free stream if I can when the game starts.

0 marketing. 0 before or after game marketing strategies as done in the past. Terrible game day atmosphere/setup. Terrible logistics 0 communication from the AD when the fanbase is clearly in a frenzy or close to one. My guess is that he's been putting his ear to the pavement for sometime. And, he clearly has.

as I was telling the wife last night.........The weather was nasty. I know it didn't rain heavily throughout the game but there was certainly drizzle most of the time. I remember a game way back when our fourth team walk on running back from Sanger went off for like 150 plus in the rain. The weather was for sure a factor in this game. Ask the Rice deep snapper....Those missed field goals looked like the ball skipped back to the holder. In short, with weather like that, you have to be happy to walk out with win, regardless of the uglyness.

Did you look back at all those replies to your previous two threads - your only content - and think, "Yep. I've won them over. Time for this third post"

I think it was Rodriguez. If he doesn’t make that one handed catch on a bad snap, Rice has the ball deep in our territory or takes it in for a score. He saved this game.

Maybe we need a snowflake reaction option instead?

Wren did a lot of good for UNT. I also understand people's immediate fear that Wren will try and poach McCasland. While Wren would probably love to have him, make no mistake about it, McCasland is here because of Mosley. Mosley identified him for Wren...just as he had done at ACU when they hired McCasland. They had/have a very solid relationship, even with McCasland leaving Abilene without ever coaching a game. Mosley followed that departure up by identifying another young up and coming coach in Joe Golding. All he did was lead ACU to an NCAAT win over Texas before taking the UTEP job. Mosley also hit a home run in hiring Chris Thomsen while at ACU, who led the Wildcats to 6 straight NCAA D2 Playoff appearances which were the only 6 years they ever made the D2 playoffs. Mosley has an eye for coaches.

Washington defeated St Marys 68-64 Cal Baptist defeated Washington 73-64 Long Beach defeated Cal Baptist 79-64 Key to the game: Score more than 64 points

Seth is playing for a conference championship this weekend.

I am seeing less and less fans at the games, even the season ticket holders are not showing (tell by the green chairs). The two people in front who were also at games have not been coming the four seats next to them said after the SMUT game he would not be back and he hasn't. My friends who have been season ticket holders for years hardly come to any games and usually leave early. they are not SL fans. We don't have great attendance to begin with. I am always so disappointed when I get to the game and the crowd is small. Yeah I think some won't be back as long as SL is here. So yeah I am saying we will lose fans.

Would prefer they make Mosley interim, but do a legitimate search and compare him to the others who apply. If they do not find anyone clearly better, make the hire permanent.

Just take a look: Date Opponent What the scoreboard said Did we actually win? Overall, season moral record 9/3/16 SMU* L 21–34 No, but closer than expected for a previous 1-win team 1-0 9/10/2016 Bethune-Cookman* W 41–20 Yes 2-0 9/17/2016 at No. 23 Florida* L 0–32 No, but kept a ranked SEC team to 32 points 3-0 9/24/2016 at Rice W 42–35 2OT Yes 4-0 10/1/2016 Middle Tennessee L 13–30 No 4-1 10/8/2016 Marshall W 38–21 Yes 5-1 10/22/2016 at Army* W 35–18 Yes 6-1 10/29/2016 at UTSA L 17–31 No 6-2 11/5/2016 Louisiana Tech L 24–45 No 6-3 11/12/2016 at WKU L 7–45 No 6-4 11/19/2016 Southern Miss W 29–23 Yes 7-4 11/26/2016 at UTEP L 24–52 No, but that Aaron Jones guy is unstoppable 8-4 12/27/2016 vs. Army* L 31–38 OT No, but almost did 9-4 9/2/2017 Lamar* W 59–14 Yes 10-4, 1-0 9/9/2017 at SMU* L 32–54 No 10-5, 1-1 9/16/2017 at Iowa* L 14–31 No, but kept score respectable 11-5, 2-1 9/23/2017 UAB W 46–43 Yes 12-5, 3-1 9/30/2017 at Southern Miss W 43–28 Yes 13-5, 4-1 10/24/2017 UTSA W 29–26 Yes 14-5, 5-1 10/21/2017 at Florida Atlantic L 31–69 No, but 69... nice! 15-5, 6-1 10/28/2017 Old Dominion W 45–38 Yes 16-5, 7-1 11/4/2017 at Louisiana Tech W 24–23 Yes 17-5, 8-1 11/11/2017 UTEP W 45–10 Yes 18-5, 9-1 11/18/2017 Army* W 52–49 Yes 19-5, 10-1 11/25/2017 at Rice W 30–14 Yes 20-5, 11-1 12/2/2017 at Florida Atlantic L 17–41 No, but gave up less than 69 21-5, 12-1 12/16/2017 vs. Troy* L 30–50 No, but Mason Fine got hurt 22-5, 13-1 9/1/2018 SMU* W 46–23 Yes 23-5, 1-0 9/8/2018 Incarnate Word* W 58–16 Yes 24-5, 2-0 9/15/2018 at Arkansas* W 44–17 Yes 25-5, 3-0 9/22/2018 at Liberty* W 47–7 Yes 26-5, 4-0 9/29/2018 Louisiana Tech L 27–29 No, but that crowd tho 27-5, 5-0 10/16/2018 at UTEP W 27–24 Yes 28-5, 6-0 10/13/2018 Southern Miss W 30–7 Yes 29-5, 7-0 10/20/2018 at UAB L 21–29 No 29-6, 7-1 10/27/2018 Rice W 41–17 Yes 30-6, 8-1 11/10/2018 at Old Dominion L 31–34 No 30-7, 8-2 11/15/2018 Florida Atlantic W 41–38 Yes 31-7, 9-2 11/24/2018 at UTSA W 24–21 Yes 32-7, 10-2 12/15/2018 vs. Utah State* L 13–52 No 32-8, 10-3 8/31/2019 Abilene Christian* W 51–31 Yes 33-8, 1-0 9/7/2019 at SMU* L 27–49 No 33-9, 1-1 9/14/2019 at California* L 17–23 No, but close score against P5 34-9, 2-1 9/21/2019 UTSA W 45–3 Yes 35-9, 3-1 9/28/2019 Houston* L 25–46 No 35-10, 3-2 10/12/2019 at Southern Miss L 27–45 No 35-11, 3-3 10/19/2019 Middle Tennessee W 33–30 Yes 36-11, 4-3 10/26/2019 at Charlotte L 38–39 No 36-12, 4-4 11/2/2019 UTEP W 52–26 Yes 37-12, 5-4 11/9/2019 at Louisiana Tech L 17–52 No 37-13, 5-5 11/23/2019 at Rice L 14–20 No 37-14, 5-6 11/30/2019 UAB L 21–26 No, but close enough effort against division winner 38-14, 6-6 9/5/2020 Houston Baptist* W 57–31 Yes 39-14, 1-0 9/19/2020 SMU* L 35–65 No 39-15, 1-1 10/3/2020 Southern Miss L 31–41 No 39-16, 1-2 10/10/2020 Charlotte L 21–49 No 39-17, 1-3 10/17/2020 at Middle Tennessee W 52–35 Yes 40-17, 2-3 11/21/2020 Rice W 27–17 Yes 41-17, 3-3 11/18/2020 at UTSA L 17–49 No 41-18, 3-4 12/3/2020 Louisiana Tech L 31–42 No 41-19, 3-5 12/11/2020 UTEP W 45–43 Yes 42-19, 4-5 12/21/2020 vs. Appalachian State* L 28–56 No, but did anyone expect us to? Woohoo another bowl! 43-19, 5-5 9/4/2021 Northwestern State* W 44–14 Yes 44-19, 1-0 9/11/2021 at SMU* L 12–35 No, but held them for solid 1.5 qtrs 45-19, 2-0 9/18/2021 UAB L 6–40 No 45-20, 2-1 9/25/2021 at Louisiana Tech L 17–24 No, but very close 46-20, 3-1 10/9/2021 at Missouri* L 35–48 No, but put up points 47-20, 4-1 10/15/2021 Marshall L 21–49 No 47-21, 4-2 10/23/2021 Liberty* L 26–35 No, but they're a powerhouse now? 48-21, 5-2 10/30/2021 at Rice W 30–24 OT Yes 49-21, 6-2 11/6/2021 at Southern Miss W 38–14 Yes 50-21, 7-2 11/13/2021 UTEP W 20–17 Yes 51-21, 8-2 11/20/2021 at FIU W 49–7 Yes 52-21, 9-2 11/17/2021 No. 22 UTSA W 45–23 Yes 53-21, 10-2 12/23/2021 vs. Miami (OH)* L 14–27 No 53-22, 10-3 8/27/2022 at UTEP W 31–13 Yes 54-22, 1-0 9/3/2022 SMU* L 10–48 No 54-23, 1-1 9/10/2022 Texas Southern* W 59–27 Yes 55-23, 2-1 9/17/2022 at UNLV* L 27–58 No 55-24, 2-2 9/24/2022 at Memphis* L 34–44 No, but we can hang with those guys 56-24, 3-2 10/1/2022 Florida Atlantic W 45–28 Yes 57-24, 4-2 10/15/2022 Louisiana Tech W 47–27 Yes 58-24, 5-2 10/22/2022 at UTSA L 27–31 No, but he was short on 4th down 59-24, 6-2 10/29/2022 at Western Kentucky W 40–13 Yes 60-24, 7-2 11/5/2022 FIU W 52–14 Yes 61-24, 8-2 11/12/2022 at UAB L 21–41 No 61-25, 8-3 11/26/2022 Rice W 21-17 Yes 62-25, 9-3 In his 7 seasons, Seth has morally accomplished: .713 moral winning percentage Half of UNT's bowl moral victories with 3-2 record 1 moral conference championship 19-game moral win streak from 2017-18 No losing seasons School record 13 victories (moral included) in 2017 To be fair, you can argue you'd like to have a better moral record against rival SMU (3-4), his winning percentage has dipped since Mason Fine graduated (.686), and that it was disappointing we were not invited to a moral bowl in Fine's last season. But that should do little to take away from everything else he has done!! Extend him NOW! Start sketches for the statue NOW! Rename Bonnie Brae to Seth Littrell Way NOW!

on to San Antonio 🤠

WKU just won. Seth, you have one half of football to prove it or lose it.

I think the reason the UNT base is freaking out so much is because whenever people have left UNT before, it's been due to extreme negativity or poor performance on or off the field. This time is different, UNT is a much better place than when Wren found it and I think we're all just not really used to that. Honestly, this is a great day to be proud of UNT and what it has become

This changes everything in regards to Justin Fuente being wren baker guy. Wren is gone now.

Thanks for his work here. He definitely set us up for success. Hope his successor has a much shorter leash for under-achieving head football coaches than he did

This one will be there.

This is true, but this seems to be the way conferences are going to determine the teams for the championship games. Divisions are going away. We really didn’t backdoor in any more than Washington in the PAC 12 or KSt. in the Big 12.

Not just you in particular. Just the whole page in general. Seems to be always something and just don’t think this is where I’d be drawing a line. Respect your opinion tho. Ultimately, I do think there’s a ceiling with Seth as HC but I’m just gonna enjoy the ride this season and let the chips fall where they may.

0 championships, getting stomped by FAU 41-17. 0-5 in bowl games with highlights of losing to Utah St. 52-13, and Miami-Ohio 27-14. 2 of those bowls were also exceptions where we didn't win 6 games to get there.

Apogee lost its lust on that fateful night LaTech blocked our game winning fg attempt many moons ago. We have been spiraling, granted with few bump ups, downward ever since. It was fun. The place had energy. Attendance was increasing. There was excitement. Recruiting was decent. That night the bubble did burst, imo.

I’m really starting to think my workout regimen is working. So many women have offered to send me nudes while I stream this game.