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It's really a small world. We are currently on vacation in Dublin, and I ran into a couple wearing North Texas gear. I yelled out Go Mean Green and talked to them for a few mins. It's really cool running into alumni in other countries.

The thing that makes little sense to me is that ODU was a 14 seed this year while Marshall was a 13 seed last season. I felt like ODU was better than last year’s Marshall team, but the conference was looked down at because last year had a solid MUTS team that blew it in the conference tournament and got left out. This year, Belmont made it as an at large, when they weren’t as good as MUTS last year. CUSA just gets zero respect in the revenue sports.

DRC: https://www.dentonrc.com/sports/friday-practice-notes----saafi-getting-his-shot/article_378b8528-3ba1-5bc3-b914-535f2ac76033.html

Can't be overstated.... There's one way and one way only to control us....and it's on the field. Want recruiting to improve? win those two games Want local media to pay attention? win those two games Want national attention? win those two games Want fans in the stands? win those two games Want to be seen as a top G5? win those two games All the other stuff: media, reputation, P5 bias, conference USA....we can't control that. But we can control how we play vs UH and SMU This staff simply has to win those 2 games

https://247sports.com/Player/Trent-Pullen-46041328/ Several B12 and SEC offers

DRC: https://www.dentonrc.com/sports/saturday-scrimmage-notes----race-for-backup-qb/article_e612cfb4-1c25-5700-af34-c3b7cd3571df.html

Really excited to see the growth from the QB room. Also glad to hear Crosby stepping up at CB. He's got really good length to play man to man on bigger receivers

My bad....try this one: https://one.unt.edu/Annual-Spirit-classic I think I messed it up in the original post. Fixed it. Thank you.

Here’s what I think: CUSA sucks compared to the MWC for the sports people care about. Travel to the west coast is the same as travel to the East Coast. F_U is no different, travel wise than playing SDSU or SJSU. Playing ODU or Marshall is no different than playing Boise State or Fresno State from a travel perspective. The Big West was bad for us because we quarter-assed it on a funding and facility standpoint. Meanwhile, BSU, Nevada, and Utah State all moved up. The programs who couldn’t compete financially fell back, like Idaho and NMSU, and us for a while. The MWC is NOTHING like the Big West. Look at bowl tie ins, BCS bowl berths, basketball tourney berths, and overall attendance comparisons. Really stupid to even try to make that comparison, actually. And we don’t dominate anything at all in this league. But we have upside others don’t have from location and enrollment—but it’s potential until someone gives us a chance and we take it and run with it. That hasn’t happened at all for us yet. Judy McLeod is a terrible commissioner, but she can’t do much about the current setup of the conference because idiots before her thought that adding ODU and Charlotte would keep East Carolina around. Just dumb... UNT can’t base plans on a future Big 12 breakup because they don’t have the clout. If we did, we wouldn’t be in the situation we are in now, playing in a lower G5 league with very little respect. Basically, I want the best for us. The AAC and MWC are steps up in that direction. CUSA and SBC are basically looked at as being the same nationally. I think a step up would be awesome for our program. Playing Boise State, FSU, SDSU, and AFA would be so fun. So would playing UNM, Utah state, Nevada, and UNLV in basketball. It beats the absolute dogshit out of our current schedule. It’s not even close. But it’s fans like you who will get what we deserve. You want SBCUSA schedules so you can go to games easier by driving. You prefer games in podunk Louisiana over games in Colorado against CSU or AFA. You like a game against F_U over a game in California against better name teams in SDSU and FSU. Congrats on getting what you want for our program. You represent the clear majority and I don’t. So, enjoy our ride into the new relegated level of play for football. Way to go...

The center would be approximately Lonoke, Arkansas.

In the Army I learned one thing for sure, tell it like it is so people can fix what's wrong. My guess is she is a woman is what's going for her. They are afraid to do anything because they are afraid to be labeled with toxic masculinity and any other labels that people can give instead of doing what's best for business. People should learn that it's not personal, it's just business.

Their boosters. Yes. Money and influence means fans in seats? They have a really nice basketball stadium now, just a couple years ago threw money at a hall of fame coach and used their money and influence to have really good basketball teams. No one is saying SMU is a good program, school, or even a pretty turd. They have money and lots of it. Why is SMU in the AAC and we aren't? How does SMU even get mentioned by the BIG12 and we don't? They have lots of money and a little influence.

Be careful with the comments or "The Skipper" will write a strongly worded article about the unfairness.

I'm fairly certain the University Presidents are the ones who wield the power when it comes to conference leadership... not the ADs. I'm sure however Baker feels about her, Smatresk is well aware. I'm not sure if deposing her would require 100% backing, or just a majority. I can't fathom many of the Presidents, knowing the direction the conference has been heading for the past few years, along with her extremely passive leadership, would give her a vote of confidence.

She is the Rick Villareal of conference leadership. Macleod Out

Looks like he impressed today

ODU cost the conference a lot of money and respect. This pod thing was really impressive.

I've never been impressed with her, and believe C-USA has lost ground to other G5's under her leadership. Is Wren happy with her leadership? As fans, who supports her and who would rather look elsewhere? If someone knows how to create a poll for this topic, that would be great.

DRC: Jamal Ligon is UNT's second three-star commit https://www.dentonrc.com/sports/unt-picks-up-commitment-from-tyler-defensive-end/article_8e7452bf-5ab9-5a3d-9113-a729af321167.html

Congratulations Jamal! Welcome to North Texas!

Way to go ladies!!

Solid conference you are fighting for, Grandpa Green... https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-conference-ranking-exiting-2018-season-SEC-Big-Ten-Big-12-ACC-127681896/ https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2018-college-football-conference-power-rankings-sec-back-on-top-but-where-does-the-big-ten-land/amp/

We were down 8-0 after the third inning. Unbelievable win, and their stud pitcher, C-USA pre season Pitcher Of The Year Presley Galloway from Pilot Point took the loss after entering the 6th to attempt to hold the lead. Rick

Were they wearing a Mean Green hat? Seven years ago I lost a North Texas hat in Dublin. I hope someone is enjoying it.

I go to UNT games. I’d like it even more if we were playing games against teams I think would raise our profile more than the F_Us and the likes of ODU and Charlotte. But it’s cool that you like our setup. So does the majority of our fanbase. It’s why I firmly expect to be in a relegated level of play for good in football within 5-10 years.

No La Tech was in the WAC, which was I believe a Western based conference. Again, read; I stated that the MWC is a better conference. I notice you did not attempt to answer the last question. So what is the answer, surely you know if you go to the CUSA games or not.

Wren has got to have a plan to get us either a new commissioner or a better conference right?? Or am I just dreaming

La Tech was never in the MWC. Minor detail... you are right that we aren’t prolly getting a MWC invite, but even if we did, folks in our fanbase have made it obviously clear they don’t want it because it’s better to drive to a game than have us be in a better league. That’s reality that I cannot defeat, which I gladly admit. It is what it is. And Utah was the equal to Boise State today, at best. BYU is a tough one to replace for all of the MWC, for sure. And now let’s compare to CUSA. Our best teams that have national recognition are Southen Miss, Louisiana Tech, and Marshall. No way that compares to Boise State, Fresno State, or Utah state, who are their big 3 programs now. I wouldn’t expect you to understand this. You’re Old Denton to the tee...

I guess anyone that doesn't believe in your sports utopia, is just not your kind of fan. You have not countered one point, just more foolishness. Yes, I can drive to San Antonio, Houston, Ruston and Hattiesburg and have done so many times. All are much closer than the closest MWC location. Again, the MWC is not going to allow NT membership; so you can rant and rave all you want; it is not going to happen. So yes you can dream about the MWC or SEC, it makes no difference. You keep bringing up TCU, there are just a few minor details you ignore. The MWC was a better league in those days including BYU and Utah. Also had la Tech, which gave them at least one close game. TCU was a premiere program in the league, so they overcame the altitude. Also they were able to relatively quickly move on. Do you go to those pitiful CUSA games? If you do then, I guess you are one of those fans you like to assail. If you don't go, then your opinion and pontification means little and why do you bother to post on this message board.

I think I can handle kickball. Let me check my schedule with my wife.

Yeah, TCU really couldn’t handle the altitude when they were playing out west... And, maybe, just maybe, you can for travel against those teams out west for the other programs because you actually get more money from being in a conference that gets Decent non P5 coverage. Crazy thought there. But hey, you can drive down to Houston to watch us play rice!! And you can fly to El Paso, which takes the same time to fly to ABQ, but forget about that, because El Paso., brah!! when I say you get what you deserve, make no doubt about it, I mean you’ve got the perfect setup for you—UNT being in a conference that lets you see the play teams that nobody cares about in this current world of college sports. You are everything that New Denton needs to get away from. And I mean everything...

CUSA sucks compared to the MWC, great analysis there. Travel to the East is the same as to the West, yes; but you fail to mention the regional teams in CUSA. The closest team would be in Albuquerque, 640 miles. Yes, the MWC is similar to the Big West in locations although the Big West had closer teams. The games are on late at night, Central time; and that greatly curtails following NT. Yes, fans like me like a conference were you can actually drive to a game, not have to stay up to midnight to listen to a game. Also there is the little issue that you are not just talking about football and basketball. There is also substantial travel expense involved with other teams such as volleyball, softball, swimming, etc. Not to mention the extra time away from classes and the competitive disadvantage of traveling future distances and playing at altitude. There is no one arguing that the MWC is not a better league than CUSA. However, that could change with time. Fans like me get what we deserve, I am not sure what that means. I support the team to the extent practical for me, and would do so whatever conference NT belongs to. This debate is just that, the MWC doesn't want NT and not likely to ever want to move the footprint of their conference East.

Before TV networks really skyrocketed the influence on how conferences are setup, SMU had us by the balls by their influence and money. No SWC, no CUSA. Now, it’s their presence in our market. No TV network wants overlap. Rice and UH aren’t going to be in a conference again, just as we have never been with SMU. Networks want TV sets in multiple markets. While SMU really cannot stop us anymore from joining their conference, the networks do it instead.

Definitely. When I think of SMU working against UNT, I have this image in my head that they are working/paying to keep us down and out...beyond a measly yes/no vote. everything you’ve mentioned has been agreeable, but in the context of them simply wanting to improve their own position. Not necessarily to keep us down. does keeping us down help their position? No more or less than keeping down anyone else that wants what they want. the previous Mean Green generation has painted this picture of SMU administration going to every effort to smite and hurt the Mean Green specifically, using their money and political weight. I don’t see it. Not during my fandom. Does anyone have any thoughts on the 10 year football series with them? If they wanted to have nothing to do with us, why did they sign on for that?

The big question is what happens when the GOR expires for the Big XII in 2025. A few things to keep in mind. The LHN doesn’t run out until 2031. They aren’t giving up that money. ESPN may end it prematurely or change it into something else, but they aren’t getting out of that payment. If that’s a problem for another conference, Texas may say that they will support a GOR extension to 2031 or they may just go independent until the LHN expires and then join a conference that they want to join down the road. Other sports become an AAC member, for example, until 2031. KU will go to the B1G. This is the worst kept secret in conference realignment. KU is an AAU institution, like every other program has been when entering the B1G. They make so much money on research, which dwarfs athletics. The B1G gets another new market, great hoops, and another research school to celebrate. OU isn’t AAU, but they are the leader in most national merit scholars. I suspect that they will have lots of options because of football and the fact that they deliver national interest. The others have some level of interest and uncertainty. OSU and Tech hope the big brothers coattails bring them into a new conference setup. KSU probably doesn’t get that lucky because of its remoteness. WVU wants the ACC, but they are probably an AAC school. Iowa State will be an AAC program for sure. That leaves BU and TCU, both of which seem like really good fits for the MWC. I don’t see a Big XII existing (like the SWC), but it could be a Big East/AAC deal, where other schools regionalize together from the leftovers, MWC mountain schools, and western AAC schools. We have to pray we get into that setup if it happens—because otherwise, we are probably stuck in a far flung conference with even less good programs than we have now.

Well that would mean you disagree with every point. So apparently you think: NT dominates CUSA CUSA is a regional league The MWC would be less travel The Big West days were good for NT NT doesn't offer more to the AAC than some of their current teams NT should base it's future plans on the break-up of the B12 CUSA has a very questionable upside Macleod should remain commissioner of CUSA I really doubt that any NT fan would disagree with many or any of the above points. It is not exactly a controversial view.

i'm in...tried to signup but it took me to this page https://one.unt.edu/pages/main-landing-page and i'm stupid and don't know where to go

You seen some of the gyms the NCAA tournament used in that “first four” and some of the first round games? Makes the set-up in Frisco look like the ACC in Dallas. 😂😂

Way to go fans. Nothing like being positive for your team.

I have been thinking the same

Comerica Center in Frisco (formerly the Dr. Pepper Arena).

This thread is a prelude to a long spring and summer. When do Fall two-a-days start? We need to be part of March Madness, or the NIT. We need baseball. That is all.

No one location is ever going to satisfy all the schools in the conference. If you want bad, you should have seen when the NT conference tourney was in Shreveport. There is also a financial angle to this, plus the league wants a multiple court location. Complaining is easy, finding something better is apparently not.

its worth noting that not one guy that left was it their first offer. 2 left to go home to alma maters 1 left after turning down multiple p5 offers. Still was hesitant even after recieving the million dollar plus offer he eventually accepted 1 left to go back to his home state. And all went to P5s So it was not like these guys jumped at 1st train out of Denton

Five letters S M U N O

Tulsa! I mean Tulsa! Their coaches just took pay cuts. Could we replace them in the AAC?

Thought this was a pretty good interview with Ricky Gervais. Some interesting thoughts on PC culture and manufactured outrage in there. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/19/magazine/ricky-gervais-after-life-comedy-twitter.html

Didn't you post before last football season that you would not go to the SMU game because we would lose? Will you go next season? Don't worry about what others do, just show up! By the way I know many residents of Denton County that graduated from UT, OU, A&M, KSU, SMU, TCU, Texas State, etc. who have Club Seats at Apogee.