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I thought the original topic was a post about how great of a last 12 months it's been around here lately? So, um, how did this turn into a bitch & moan fest? "RV sux!" -- "no he didn't" / look at the report -- we really did suck!" thread. Man, I really think people like to complain more than celebrate. Sorry for the lean times. :) Next up on the topic wheel: let's discuss Vic Trilli's tenure. We'll be right back after this message from Debbie Downer.

I was pretty impressed with Flusche. Would be pretty cool if an under recruited LB turned DE ended up in the NFL as a TE. His numbers were good.

I said we need to see young guys start to step up(verb) not a step up (noun). Starter is an internal accomplishment. A good recruit is a good player compared to our peers, not just compared to our roster. Andy Flusche was a legit CUSA level player. He was not an NFL player or even an all-CUSA player. I don't even think he was honorable mention. You can't win anything substantial with a team that has no all-conference players. We need more of those type of players, particularly on the offensive line and on defense, where we have had one (Kishawn McClain) since 2014 when Cyril Lemon and Derek Akunne made all conference. Personally I think Littrell's recruiting in his first two classes were not that impressive, especially outside of the skill positions. He hit on a QB (the most important position) some receivers, and had Jeff Wilson and that pretty much led us to 9 wins. We looked pedestrian and overmatched in the games after the Jeff Wilson injury. Our general average play across the board, save for our QB and receivers, was severely exposed. The point is that even though we had a good record last year, there are plenty of spots and opportunities to where if we have underclassmen who are the real deal, they should start. If underclassmen can't surpass average upperclassmen then they probably won't be any better than average themselves. We don't want that cycle.

Dangit. That's a bummer they're selling it. I was lucky enough to win the raffle the first year they did that for the North Texas vs. Texas game in 2004. Still have the "winning ticket" they gave me when I drove up to Denton for the photo op. It has my wife's name on it too but she quickly got "cut" for an all-guy's road trip (ipd054 was one of them). Funny story was I think they were expecting high-roller people (wine & cheese crowd / couples crowd) and when I told them I was bringing all dudes (we were in our early to mid-30's at the time) I think RV had a panic attack. Bunch of fraternity people wrecking their bus was just what they wanted for the inaugural trip! haha. Anyway, we all behaved as I knew we would, we saw UNT get their butt kicked 65-0, drank a lot of beer on the bus coming & going & had a great time. They shoulda kept doing those raffles. It was a very neat experience.

DRC: http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/mean-green/2018/04/07/unt-position-build-magical-run-cbi-next-season

Could I have the same team from last year ?

transfers to Okie State: http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/high-schools/2018/04/06/basketball-former-argyle-star-vivian-gray-transfers-oklahoma-state

#clueless

I’m a little worried about special teams. We need that edge. It could be the difference between winning and losing.

We dodged a bullet there!

I would have to say question it... There are plenty of smaller schools where you can take better advantage of a free ride to get a nationally competitive degree.

DRC: http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/mean-green/2018/04/06/follow-thoughts-unts-depth-chart-including-curious-case-bryce-english

We are getting down to the wire folks on our 8 th Annual Spring Scholarship Classic B.B. Game! We will cut off player registrations tomorrow at about 5:30pm...that’s April 8th at 5:30 pm. Still need your help as we are behind a bit this year for some reason...we still need two team captains. Without captains we can’t do a player draft and players would just be assigned a team. So...volunteers anyone? Still need players as well...could use a few as the “official” sign-ups” are a tad low...several have told me they are playing but have not, as yet, signed up. Here is the sign-up/donations link: https://one.unt.edu/8th-annual-spring-classic Folks...your donations...any amount...any...are critical to our success. Here are the event details...register to play, make a donation or simply come watch and support this event...WE NEED YOU! April 14th...11am tip-off Bhansen Gym (Highland Street across from Super Pit) Player Fee-$35 (includes player t-shirt) Silent Auction No admission fee to come and support these student-athletes. After event gathering at Eastside Social Club...All Welcome! Question? Just post here or PM me! Hope to see you there!!!!

Damn! Rick

Okie State is picking up some great transfers on the women’s side these days. Interesting I think...Question is why?

I know the team stays at the Marriott Solana on home game days and they are a sponsor, so maybe recruits stay there too?

How is the ankle? You on a gimpy ankle is still pretty good for this game. 😂😂. Any chance?

Oh, How I love seeing this....and that 20 win note as well! Basketball is back at UNT! And...it feels GREAT! 👍

Me! Snake Pit was dope! What a place and what memories of that place...and, we can relive some of those memories as the 8th annual Mean Green Spirit Scholarship basketball game will be played there on April 14th with an 11am tip-off! Come support these great student athletes who just win 2nd Place in the National Spirit Team competitions in Daytona!

Worked with Crest many times..was a super Fire Lt.. He never brought up his BB career at NT with me. Very humble individual.

Under McCarney they stayed at Tx Motor Speedway which never made a ton of sense to me.

Not must. A senior laden team of studs year in and year out is ideal and fantasy. When underclassmen start making noise on gameday rather in rahrah coach speak we will then know recruiting has taken a step up. We need that step defensively, desperately. Until then, tighten your seatbelt and hope a Jeff Wilson-less offense can lead this team to a winning season. I don't doubt winning, I just doubt winning comfortably in this current format. And given that, a sliver of doubt does linger.

7-on-7 is prevalent everywhere there are a lot of D1 recruits. The argument that D1 readiness among high-school recruits here specifically has fallen off as a result is an unsubstantiated take that really doesn't even have correlation to back it up, let alone causation.

Curious to see if Nicholas Pichon will be of any help in the middle. 6'3 and 297 lbs could go a long way if he has solid technique.

Football -- Won nine games and the division, played in the conference championship and a bowl game. Perfect 6-0 at home. Men's Basketball -- 20 wins and the CBI championship Women's Soccer -- Won the conference tournament and went to the NCAAs Women's Volleyball -- Won the conference championship and went to the NIT Women's basketball -- Improved to 17 wins and finished over .500 for the first time I can remember Softball -- Holding steady at 7-4 in conference, one game out of first place It's much easier being green these days.

Meanwhile, back at the original headline, congratulations to a good young man who deserves the recognition.

Just going to say.. Preston left a ton to be desired.. believe he had multiple bonehead plays vs Iowa in the 2nd half and during Troy he even got replaced.. I think a major question is how/who slots into the DB group from this recent class. K.Davis is an LB now (likely on the inside to replace EJ), Gibbs, Williams, Crosby, Morris? Would love to see Gibbs at CB, having a taller, willing to tackle guy on the edge is something we need.. Williams is a great FS/Centerfielder and his size could be his biggest disadvantage. Morris seems to be that Rover spot to challenge T. Davis and Crosby and he anything on the skill positions.

4.56 plus his build.. which is lighter than 220 is not a great time.. his injury history as well.. Tied for 13th.. so he is middle of the pack, with a multiple leg injuries, and a bad shoulder.. playing at a lighter weight and couldn’t hold up in CUSA vs lighter competition compared to the NFL The point is he was middle of the road.. he likely needed people to go back and rewatch his tape because of the number or injuries. I’m going to guess not many teams ran through Apogee this year.

I've always thought the hardest position to recruit at G5 is LT to protect the QB's blind side. Maybe times have changed enough to shift that thought to the DL?

You don't care what classification is making plays, but underclassman must be in the 2 deep? I am interested in the level of competition for the starting position. Did we move a DT to DE because our options at that position is poor and now we may burn a red shirt on a undersized freshman? Like most schools we will be challenged to recruit DL so we better develop them with a red shirt and a 5 year program.

When there is rarely an underclassmen maneuvering past an upperclassmen on the 2-deep....That's a problem. I mean, until there is significant progress on defense it's a problem regardless of the 2-deep. I don't care if 8th graders are out there making stops as long as stops are taking place. And significant IMO would be for the defense to crack the 20's in PPG. It's a stepping stone and one I would like to see take place in 2018.

No doubt--its especially hard to do here in this region because 7-on-7 is so prevalent and there are very few college ready DL in TX and OK HS anymore.

I hear gunshots around here all the time 🤷🏽‍♂️

I'm curious to see some of the coaching adjustments to the new personnel. How different is the offense going to look this year? I can't imagine it's going to be the exact same sans Wilson. What have the coaches seen from the spring to sprinkle in new wrinkles in the defense? 2018 is going to be fun!

It's amazing that we still don't have a senior starting skill position player.... This offense should be phenomenal in 2018 and downright terrifying in 2019

Thanks. From time to time I have trouble reading things. Eyesight is off a little. DeepGreen

Been awhile since someone brought that back. Never gets old.

These things are not cheap. If you do not drive it yourself you should budget about $86.46/hr. If you are the driver you should budget about $71.46/hr for operation. Here is the math for those who love to argue the minutia: Sample data in calculation 13 trips performed 78 total hours of service 1,450 miles of travel Associated hard costs Cost to “make ready” 13 washes/prep— $10/hour x 13 hours = $130 Driver wages (including pre/post trip) — $15/hour x 104 hours = $1,560 Fuel — 263 Gallons @ $2.60 = $683.80 Insurance (monthly premium) = $342 Associated soft costs Oil change ($150 per 6,000 miles) — .025 per mile x 1,450 = $36.25 Tire replacement — ($450 per 100,000 miles).0045 per mile x 1,450 = $39.18** Major tune-up — ($600 per 75,000 miles) .008 per mile x 1450 = $11.60 TOTAL BREAK-EVEN POINT = $7,060.43 Excludes employer payroll tax or workers’ comp premium **Based on six tires Hourly break-even point: $6,744.18 / by 78 hours of service = rate of $86.46 per hour OR $6,744.18 / 1,450 miles = $4.65 per mile Fuel Bus fuel capacity: 250 gallons Average MPG: 4 to 9 mpg Average fill-up cost: $950 Commercial truck stop required for large buses Maintenance Tire replacement: $400 — $600 each Lube, oil and filter service: $150 — $250 Turbo replacement (diesel): $1,500 — $2,000 Insurance Minimum: $5 million liability required Monthly cost: $280 — $500 Labor National average hourly pay School bus drivers: $10.19 — $18.32 Transit bus drivers: $9.57 — $23.09 Greyhound Bus Lines: $15 — $20.67 Source: Payscale.com

As a 'newbie'.. 1. The "Stand". I still get chill bumps when I watch it. 2. The WHOLE 2013 Season. The Georgia game was freaking awesome as was ALL the road wins! Ball State was nuts. Ryan has told me stories of the Ball St. O-line puking their guts up right on the line. The reactions and comments made by he and his team mates are priceless! 3. Lance against Mid Tenn. All that has to be said. 3a. Any time Brelan touched the ball. 4. Kansas St. 2010 game in Fouts with Chico coaching. That was a hell of a show. 5. Kansas St game in 2012. Gave them everything they wanted and more. 6. My proudest.... the Alabama game in 2011. The boy went toe to toe with probably the best O-line in the country the whole night. 7. Last but not least. Becoming a member of the Mean Green family!

#1 in Texas!

some good company on that list!

Meh

So what do you guys think about matching attache cases to next year's uniform scheme?

He had 3 winning seasons here, finished 42-64, and left us in a terrible position that our next hire made colossally worse. Those fields are named after DD because Mattress Mac made us name it after him. And we were so broke, we had to honor it. So it is what it is. I just think its beyond sad that Hayden Fry has nothing named after him in his honor in Denton for going 40-23-2 here in 6 seasons. But I have said for years that the Rick Villareal Athletic Center will happen...there's not a doubt in my mind that it will be the final payback from the UNT 17 for granting them access over all those years. RV knew what he was doing by insulating himself within that group. They basically bought him at least 5 more years on the job. On his record, RV hired Todd Dodge, Shanice Stephens, and Tony Benford--the three worst coaches in their sports in UNT History. And he managed to get less than 1% of the UNT Alums to join the MGC in his time as the AD. But, again, I reiterate that I fully expect him to be get the honor above...not one doubt in my mind, actually.

The audit of the current state of the Athletic Department when he was let go. Not a summary of his entire tenure. Just about everyone, including folks from the fabled "17", agreed it was time for him to go. That cannot be argued. However, IMO, I hope the Athletics Center is named after him because everything that came up over there was because of him. It's not perfect, but it's the reason why we're not still stuck in the SBC.

I really wish people realized that 4.5 is really a good time for just about any skill kid. That is a laser time, not the standard bs HS hand time they get at a camp, or by their HS coach. I'd be willing to bet we have maybe 5 kids in our whole program who could run a sub 4.6 40 laser time. Upon on further review they hand timed at the pro day so this time isn't as solid as I thought. Not a terrible time but not great.

Gotta save money, so we provide them a DCTA bus pass and put them up at the Desert Sands off 35 & Carroll.

Family reasons. Seem solid to me.