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Yep...and now they use latex.

that "overrated hack" jj lost to a struggling A&M team by 10... in the same arena that benford and a less talented Mean Green squad took A&M to the woodshed

LOL Good one Brett.

Hi Rick, I'd really like to understand why you believe climate change science is a hoax. Is it because you are in posession of better data? Or better analyses? Skepticism is good. There's nothing wrong with keeping an open mind & refusing to buy unproven conclusions. But your doubt should be tentative & you should be willing to consider that maybe the other guy is right. Otherwise you're basing your arguments on ideology - not science. Keep green!

OK, I win. My first year at North Texas there was no UB/Student Union. One did open the following year, however, where the Administration Building now stands and we thought we were in heaven. It had a huge lounge called the Howdy Room where there were dances, post office, two places to eat, trophy room, and I believe the bookstore. There was a slab out back for dancing, roller skating, ROTC ceremonies, etc. We had concerts by the One O'Clock Lab Band and other groups. There were pre-game pep rallies on the front steps. It certainly wasn't as elegant but much homier than its successor.

Meh. I'll be watching the Olympics. They only occur every 4 years. Benford beatings occur every week.

Dodge Ball has been sold for $475.00!!!!! Eh, nice try, but the ball has been spoken for.

Bill, I could be confused. I spent 1951-54 in the service and came back to finish in 1957 so I had two stints at NT. We definitely had bands play during the day at times and I'm reasonably certain that they were called lab bands (although maybe not the One O'Clock). Fesser Graham''s band (The Aces of Collegeland) only played the Saturday Night Stage Show and special occasions as I recall but the day group could've been some of those band members. I've had some great and memorable experiences and could be the only alum to have attended the last class of NTSTC as a freshman and the last class of NTSC, from which I graduated. I did not attend the last game at old Memorial Stadium but I did get to attend the first game at Fouts because I was home on leave. And, of course, I attended the last game at Fouts. I'm definitely not the only one to do that but our ranks are thinning.

Had a little run in last night with a UNT student at sports authority. So if you haven't been to sports authority in Denton lately UNT athletics is up to one entire rack of clothing wear! (still disappointing) So we were checking out and the cashier looked of collegiate age so i made a simple statement of "you think there will ever be a larger selection of UNT apparel" He came back with the statement "NEVER they are terrible." I then made a statement that UNT won the Heart of Dallas bowl this year. His comeback was well OU won the Sugar Bowl. All i said was Apple and Oranges. So i calculated that obviously he was not a UNT student. So i attempted to try and brighten the mood and say atleast there is not a Texas Tech selection (trying to find something maybe we agree on). He then said yeah but atleast there is a large selection of OU merchandise. So i then calculated he went to OU. So i asked him if he graduated from OU. He response was "no i go to UNT." WHAT THE HELL so i was immediately angry and long story short. I told him he can take HIS SOONER a$$ back to Oklahoma.

HOF worthy?

I appreciate the humor, but as the Ticket said the other day: "Conan failed because the nation wasn't ready for the masturbating bear."

Donald White 1994, 1994, 1995 http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ntex/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/dfd.pdf Go to page 62, which is page 58 in the book form.

Potential losers trophy for the GMG Flag Football game?

Coach Mac is straight up Irish Mafia material with these looks.

I should be careful lest I get minus a million like you just did, but I'd vote for any station carrying Russ Martin.

Rick, I don't think these ebbs & flows of weather counteract the gradual changes seen at a higher level. Yes it's cold in the U.S. right now, but I have a friend in Germany who says their winter was unusually warm this year and they've had much less snow than they normally do. Are we to assume that means the world is going to melt in 5 years?

Nah. It was the player's fault. I'm sure.

Perhaps what the iPhone makes up for in ease of use it fails horribly in spelling. I see more people with iPhones become atrocious spellers. Apple honestly does not know the difference between your and you're.

The line was UNT +48 that day. I was I was in Vegas and put $50 on UNT. When I got my fund raiser letter from the school I sent them the ticket.

I just did a list of the shitiest radio stations in DFW and the ticket came in at #1

I hope they can wipe away this mark before a serious smear campaign sets in.

Tell Andrew and myself (otherwise known as myself and myself) about your basketball ability. A little about height/weight, playing experience, beer drinking ability, age, position you like to play, etc... We need some info on the talent available.

I probably would've said worse. Seriously, though, screw Sports Authority in Denton.

Nice write up, but they couldn't find a better picture? It's hard to believe they even got a picture from the bowl game with an empty section in the background. Harder still that they couldn't find another photo that was more reflective of the atmosphere that day.

Pointless. Benford needs better results. He knows it, everyone knows it. A JJ loss in College Station tells me nothing.

Wanna keep this as the official game thread?

I don't care if we recruit the second coming of Michael Jordan to NT, if you don't qualify academically and don't play one second for NT, I don't see how you can say you recruited a great player. All you really recruited was potential. Remember they are a student first and an athlete second. Win in the classroom, then win on the court/field.

Someone contact the General Counsel, I think that could be considered vandalism and a grounds for termination.

Trilli was very Todd Dodge-like...He was a great figure head and could really make you believe we were on the cusp of building something great. But he couldn't outcoach your below-average Denton YMCA coach during games. The schedule was murdererous, but he actually wanted that schedule because he truly believed that we were following the UT recipe under Penders, where they would play any big name team anytime, anywhere in his first few years in Austin, which led them to elevating their program upwardly rather quickly. So, for that, I never really blamed him. He wanted the program to be able to compete. We beat UALR, Buffalo, and A&M in his time here, but we just got crushed by almost everyone else who had a pulse. The P5 losses were completely understandable--even the Maryland beatdown was comparable to Dodge's opening beatdown at a top 5 OU team--but the Big West games were just brutal, too, as we never even competed with most of those schools, especially on the road. Trilli was an achiever, outside of coaching, in that he could talk his way into anything--recruiting, fundraising, and making others feel like we were about to turn the corner. He deserved to be fired after Year 3, but we had no funds (apparently) to fire him with a couple of years on the contract. Just liek Todd Dodge. Benford is more like Dickey to me. He came in here, with the hope of improving on the team he inherited, which had talent, but his gameplan didn't really fit the talent here. Granted, the talent differential between Simon's leftovers and JJ's leftovers was gigantic, but just in terms of taking over a talented team, we really fell back--or in Benford's case, we just fell down into the Grand Canyon from a helicopter. But he has only had two years here, his contract makes him almost unfireable by typical UNT standards, so he will get at least one more year and probably two more years to get it going. It was midway thru Year 4 that Dickey got the ultimatum from RV and he turned it around, leading to the SBC run that got him an extension. Problem for Benford is that CUSA hoops, even in its current state, is still much harder to win in than the start-up SBC was in football. If Benford starts calling us MFers, we will know how this thing will end. Just like the debate about who was better, Dickey or Dodge, for the program, this argument really gets solved in the same easy fashion: Neither was the right fit for football, just as neither of the basketball coaches was or has been right for this program. Johnny Jones is gonna be our Hayden Fry, almost guaranteed. We will talk about his greatness as he takes LSU to the Tournament and wins the SEC every once in a while, just like Fry did at Iowa. And we will follow JJ up with spares that will only enhance JJs reputation in Denton for decades to come. Its how the cycle works, unfortuantely...unless the university finally does something different than what its track record has been on failing head coaches with years remaining on their contracts.

In the early 60's at NTSC, there was dancing on the slab behind the UB. The music was played by the Fesser and His Aces. Most important, can you still get the coffee cake at the current Union?

LOL. Too soon?

It's like he doesn't even care enough to show up anymore.

RV has a "Man Crush", RV has a "Man Crush", RV has a "Man Crush"... Benford is going to run our program into the Ash heap!!!! Said it a Million times if I said it once. I hardly ever look at BB board any more or post. Had to do the same for FB after the DD years. I miss JJ so much it makes my heart ache.

Guess we were loaded a QB and couldn't/wouldn't offer?

I have a Benford signed basketball. I like the ball itself more than the autograph. Side note: kind of irked me that he signed it "Coach Benford" instead of "Tony Benford".

Drives me nuts that they are on 97.1 in drivetime. Between him and that freaking Motley Crüe dude it's pretty awful.

How much will you pay me to take it?

They laughed that we kept him (Trilli) for 4 years. They also mentioned that in the history of college football Dodge's stretch was 5 better than the worst coaching stretch in CFB history. So happy to have those days behind us and to have learned from our mistakes...

New Union?! I was at NTSU when they were building the current one which was then state of the art.

The things you have to remember about Trilli are that he did not inherit the team that Benford did and played a much more difficult schedule in his first couple of years. He played the most difficult oc schedule in the nation with a very young team. NT cancelled all games with old Southland teams and scheduled no non-division 1 teams and seldom played any OC home games. I think what Trilli did to the team he inherited was as bad as anything any coach has ever done at NT. He booted everybody out but a couple of players after they played as hard as any team for him in the first year. Trilli unlike Benford had been a successful coach at a lower level. It was Trilli's fault, but he apparently bought in to the Helwig idea of magically transforming the team to an elite one by playing only the best. Despite what many seem to think, there wasn't a lot of talent on those early Trilli's teams. Chris Davis who was injured during his early career was an exceptional player, but there was no one close to him other than Erskin; who at 6'4 played the 4. After Trilli's start; he almost literally couldn't give scholarships away and even with a greatly weakened schedule; there was no way he could have ever been successful. Trilli was a better offensive coach and Benford much better on the defensive end, but debating who was the worse is fruitless. Both should have been gone much earlier and I hope Benford is not allowed to waste more years that NT could use to build a program.

Neither are good head coaches. It's pretty hard to compare records for reasons already mentioned above (ie: Trilli's teams ALWAYS had their confidence blown 5-7 games into the season as they played nothing but P5 schools in OOC; meanwhile Benford just played the single easiest OOC schedule ever assembled---ok, maybe a slight stretch). I propose ranking them on totally arbitrary factors that may or may not be related to basketball. It's the only fair way! Green Seats vs Jumbo Tron: Advantage Trilli Public speaker savant vs Skips the post game presser: Advantage Benford Hair! vs closet full of suits: Advantage Trilli 90 feet of NO defense vs Andrew's 2-3 zone: Advantage Benford 74 point loss to Maryland vs Lost to Div3 Ala-Huntsville: Advantage Trilli Final Tally: Trilli: 3 - Benford 2 So there you have it. Trilli was clearly worse than Benford!

You absolutely know that Trilli can't coach when he had his sorry record with these players... Chris Davis Deginald Erskin Kenneth Mangrum Jason Miller Calvin Williams And, with decent coaching you could've added D.J. Tennell, Wes Allen, and Unjel Masters at the least.

The first three seasons of the Trilli had an OOC schedule of: 97-98: @ Iowa @ Alabama Texas @ NC State @Oklahoma St. @ UAB @ TCU @ UALR @Oklahoma @ Georgia Tech 98-99: @Texas A&M Texas Tech @TCU @Iowa St. Princeton @Tulsa Wyoming @ LA Tech @Maryland @Arkansas 99-00: LA Tech @ Oklahoma St. Texas A&M @Texas Tech UL Lafayette Indiana St. Buffalo @Baylor Tulsa @TCU @Wyoming Got a little better in year 4, but still brutal: 00-01: @Tulsa @Texas A&M Oklahoma St. @ Missouri St. A&M-CC @Arkansas @Oklahoma @Alabama A&M-Kingsville Baylor I don't think any NT team could have fared well with those type of schedules, but Captain Butt-Cut sucked it in conference play as well. I would have to say he is still the worst.

No, and Benford has managed to schedule enough NAIA teams and eek out wins against them to avoid the top 5, IMO. Lets hope we care enough about the basketball program to make a change at season's end.

This may be the first real confession in this thread.

So which one of you f'ers is Kram, then?

Exactly. It's too bad we don't have a FB page to monitor the daily productivity of all GMG members.

San Antonio ISD must be closed today

No. My argument is with the science. That is exactly WHY I have a problem with the government action on the science. You accept as reality the premise of Man-Made global warming. I don't. As a result of our individual beliefs, we have differing opinions on government action or lack thereof. If it makes you feel better to classify folks who disagree with your conclusions as irrational, I guess that's your right, but rather close minded. This is a forum, not a thesis. I don't always have every article, book, website or forum I've read at my finger tips. ...though for this thread, I've posted images, links, etc for some things. Others, anyone can find if they want to use google. Frankly, I don't have the time or inclination to provide a bibliography in every thread I post in. ...and some things don't need a reference. Asking for a source that the major organizations on the spearhead of the Enviornmental movement are Obama/Dem backers? Really? Great Thread!!