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Back to Reading 101 for me! The Tuesday night game is Not TSU, I knew that, my bad! I can admit my mistakes, how about you for once. Concerning the Opening game promotion, can't answer that one. If you're concerned and really want an answer, drop a line to the Development folks. I don't need a promotion but I understand the importance of getting people into Apogee for the TSU game especially when you have so much disinformation floating around from certain INDIVIDUALS. I really appreciate you trying to twist the facts, some won't ever change their spots. I'll attempt to clarify my response since I've confused you. Basketball Closed Practice invite happened last year, no matter how much you want that to not be the case. They weren't able to work out the Football Practice with Coach Mac twelve months ago. Twelve months later, done deal for Football and I suspect they will have round two for Basketball this year. That would be two invites to closed practices in one GMC membership year as opposed to only one (Men's Basketball) last year. I'll be attending the closed Football practice this year on the 24th. Twelve months from now, I'm sure you'll say it didn't happen. I think I'll keep my invite just in case. GMG!

2001 - 2008 was a wild ride. You came in after some serious hit-and-miss stuff.

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This is exactly the point. Most long-term weather studies show us way warmer than we are now in the past 4000 years, and without human intervention have seen MAJOR sudden drops in temps (1300 A.D is estimated to be considerably hotter than we are now, and within 100 years, they were in the midst of a minor "ice age".) Recent Highs have been in 1991 and 1998, and the trend since 98 has been a downward trend, yet CO2 production continues to be linear. Not only is correlation not equal to causation, we don't really even have correlation when you look at all the evidence. Current consensus is that the current cooling trend may well last through the 2010's, and is predicted to see us under the "57* Normal" mark for several years, with another 1998 beating peak in the 30's. Time will tell, but CO2 emissions still continue to be linear while the temp swings all over the map...

Usually scientific conclusions demand evidence. And, as they say, correlation does not imply causation. My skepticism has little to do with economics or ideology. But it does have to do with lack of data that prove global warming is tied to manmade causes. But you go ahead and cling to your elitist attitude if it makes you feel better.

Emmitt...no problem. I'll be more than happy to give you an answer to your question...in private and IN person...just you and me. Just let me know when you have time for a beer sometime. I never question the credentials of those who want better...I often, however, question the manner in which they go about expressing their "want for better". There is a time and a place for everything and there is a way to get folks "on your side" and a way to "not".....harshly criticizing every move made on a public forum is NOT the way to get a warm reception...anywhere! There is a way to be seen as part of the solution and a way to be seen by all as part of the problem. Everyone gets to pick...each way has it's rewards and consequences. Simple fact of life in every walk of life and in every relationship. Everyone is free to choose the way they want to go...they just need to understand the consequences of their actions. Anyway...beer time...just let me know. And, indeed...I have absolutely ZERO problem with your question. It's a fair one.....

It's a miracle!

Kram, you know I love you...so this is said in love. Whilst questioning the credentials of those who want better time and time again have you eve pondered THIS question? What's the explanation for the piss poor reception that those who DO give faithfully of their time and money receive? Where's the indignation on behalf of those who set up friends and acquaintances to give and ask only that an AD staffer give them a call...only to see them too given the brush off? The times of the emperor and his men sitting comfortably in that castle, all the while free to call any/all dissenters "malcontents" should be long over.

I was frustrated as anybody with our non-conf record during those years but win 5 conference games in a row, hell win 5 conf games in a season, much less 25 in a row and then we'll talk. Besides 94, those are the only winning seasons I've experienced in close to 20 years as a Mean Green fan. Pardon me if I hold them close to my heart.

We need a documented history of logos similar to the Helmet Project's history of helmets. Maybe I'll take that as a research project.

I can see both sides of this argument because I get that Emmitt is wary that we may fall back into our "old ways" of settling for good enough. Having been here since 1995 however, the thing that amazed me the most from this past 12 years was the fact that after the stadium was built, we almost immediately sold out the luxury boxes and a huge portion of the box seats for 3K a pop. That was a shocker to me after realizing that for all this time we've had people willing and ready to put down that sort of money once Apogee was built. Maybe even more impressive was inking the naming rights for Apogee. Are you kidding me? We just had to build a new stadium and we had people willing to throw 20 friggin million dollars at us? wow. just wow. Again- I'm just coming from a layperson's point of view, but someone who - like our friend Mr. FFRick, sat in crowds of literally 400 fans at a game and thought: This is it! We're doomed. We should drop football, this is just embarrassing. I could not have been more certain that football would NEVER make it at North Texas. It just makes CUSA, baseball!?!?! all of this the more crazy to realize it is happening.

I'm not concerned about being ranked. First and foremost we need to win the Sun Belt, get to the NCAA tourney, and win the first game. If we get ranked along the way, awesome, but if its not 1st at the end of the season I don't care.

Though I like SOW and hope it remains forever to represent North Texas, we should probably make sure it sticks for at least a decade before we immortalize it in concreate. Until then, I'll take the artist's eagle over a blank wall. I love the idea of text on the bridge itself.

Easy there, champ. He was simply making light of the fact there were more abbreviations in your one, ten word sentence than an adolescent girl uses in a text. There's bound to be plenty of other items of (kinda) merit to get all hopped up and defensive about. Save your ire for something of slightly more importance than a poster having some fun with the English language.

Scepticism (and by 'scepticism' I mean skepticism) is healthy. It should, however, be informed by some knowledge of the subject. The vast majority of climate scientists - the people with knowledge - believe that climate change is occurring, that it is in large part due to man's activity, and that it will have a huge impact on the well-being of our children & grandchildren. Man has released massive amounts of CO2. CO2 is a well-documented green-house gas. The earth's mean temperature has shown a strong correlation with atmospheric CO2 levels. You may believe that climate change isn't happening or that it isn't due to human burning of fossil carbon. Your belief, however, isn't based on science. It's based on economics, or ideology, or some misinformation you've been exposed to.

underlying message...trust in this coaching staff's ability to evaluate high school players... and more importantly, trust in this coaching staff's ability to develop young men into very good college division 1 football players... at this point, our coaching staff has my faith...until proven otherwise. go mean green

Maybe a tad different way of thinking here...but I think the biggest victory in recent memoory had to the THE OPENING OF APOGEE STADIUM!!!! :goodjob: :thumbsu:

Disregard previous post, (If, indeed, it was posted). I am still trying to get the hang of this thing. What I meant to say was that although we did not win the game, we played the SMU reigning national champions in 1936 a very close game before losing 6-0. Although SMU had lost to Stanford in the Rose Bowl, this was back when the national champion was named before the bowl games were played. It is a least worth a mention for, after all, we were playing college football several years before SMU came into existence and in all those years only Rice and UNT, among Texas D-1 teams, have the distinction of never being punished for rules violations. Who knows what we could have accomplished if we had had the desire, or at least, the wherewithal to win at any cost.

Not a chance in hell. We'll be lucky if we're ranked in the Top 325.

If I am not mistaken, Dean Lee once worked for the Razorback Foundation (the money raising arm for the Univ. of Arkansas). He was AD at Arkansas Tech (DII) for a short time for a short time. When he left there, he was asst. AD at Okie State before landing at ASU. You think it is tough to raise money for UNT, try ASU where the Hogs have almost all of the big money guys tied up. Many grads of other Arkansas colleges will give money to UA before they give to their own schools, or they will give more to the UA. Raising money may have been part of the problem, but I would be willing to bet there is more going on than that.

done...I'll be in China but will have my Mean Green gear on...

Marlon's older and whiter brother.

If it's any sport my vote would go to: Twin brothers Elmer & Delmer Brown and Blaine & Wayne Rideout who set the world record in 1938 for the medley relay before 16,000 at the Millrose Games at Madison Square Garden. They received international acclaim.

It's been in the works for over 12 months but whatever you want to believe...

Well, goodness gracious. I received just over an hour ago an invitation to a closed football practice! Thursday, August 23rd @ 4:30.

I was on TJ Taylor's twitter feed and ran across this... Play Maker ‏@BeGreat_8 My bro @JordonFinch coming to UNT too. That's also another person to add to the UNT-OU connection. Jordon Finch ‏@JordonFinch @BeGreat_8 yessir I dont know much about him and couldn't find his rivals page. According to OU's roster he was a RS Junior so im not sure how much playing time he would have left. Wondered if anyone else knew about this?

What happened to Finch? He's not listed on the roster.

Since 1981 per this link North Texas has had few winning football seasons. http://football.stas...eam=North_Texas We can piss this little pissing contest right into the next decade and on GMG.com personalities will eventually be isolated and demonized (per Saul Allinsky's tactics and from his now famous book on how to screw up a democracy) and this will happen when the non-stop Kool-ade drinkers have no real or viable answers (least of all solutions) to our athletic department's overall performance as it relates to our #1 revenue producing sport (football). (Kool-ade drinking? Nothing wrong with green kool-ade drinking (we've all done our share) but at times you just have to sit back, look at the situation, take the alcohol out of that green kool-ade and start thinking soberly on some very important or crucial matters). First of all, allow me to diffuse the first (probable) Alinsky'esque isolation and demonization of one UNT alum. I was very involved with UNT athletics as a student (Fry Era) and then as an alum in my 20's, my 30's, my 40's and my early 50's. Then health concerns (which few would ever advertise because most of us prefer privacy on such) became an issue, is still an issue and with no health insurance my med bills now are right under $30,000. Unless an unexpected inheritance comes through or I win the Texas lottery, most of the rest of my life will be spent working (like most other Baby Boomers now realize they will have to do) and paying off as much of my health bills as I can. (Hey, shit happens in one's life and I've had a steaming pile share of it in mine--some deserved and some not deserved and you just deal with it). Yet what would any objective observer not connected to North Texas or on a first name basis with North Texas employees ask and maybe beginning with these questions or thoughts? (1) How do North Texas officials justify the perserverence with pay raises to multi-year employees who have been part of this so few football winning seasons programs since 1981 effort? (Obviously, there have been several regimes since 1981 and the present one represents most of the last 10 or so years). (2) And UNT's new stadium? The UNT students made this happen (after the 2'nd referendum as I recall). No New Stadium--No Program? If UNT would have had to stay in Fouts Field another year or 2 with today's NCAA FBS climate we would have had the choice of dropping football, moving down to the NCAA FCS division or worse, NCAA D2 (or whatever they call it now). As we all know none of those were ever an option but continuing at Fouts Field would have created an enormous problem for us. It did last time CUSA was looking for a new member. (3) Why does North Texas seem to be a retirement center for those who keep persevering this kind of overall performance per the above link and with our higher echelon leaders seemingly rubber-stamping it annually and apparently believing there are no fresh, new vibrant talents out there who could dramatically change our direction in football season ticket sales and booste club memberships? Check out how UTSA, Texas State, Old Dominion, UNC-Charlotte and others in the SBC and CUSA as far as how they are performing in the 2 biggest barometers of any athletic department, ie, football/basketball season ticket sales and booster club memberships. By now, I would think most of our elect know why our present athletic officials have annually avoided revealing season ticket sales numbers. For those of you who give whether it be truly sacrificially because of your own tight household budgets or because you have the extra funds or means to do so, I can only say how much you are truly admired. For most of my adult life I was part of that group. Others of our 209,000 DFW alumnus base will adopt the "no way I will throw good money after bad" attitude with our present crowd on payroll and when that becomes even more epidemic it will only be then that North Texas officials (beginning with Dr. Rawlins and the Board of Regents) will be forced to start seriously looking at new resumes of those who have actual NCAA FBS level credentials and success at other outposts to strengthen the 2 main areas that North Texas must improve to succeed and be successful in CUSA, ie, season ticket sales and increased booster club membership (which usually translates to larger donations). UNT's CUSA membership beginning in 2013 will automatically cause a much greater focus on what we have than any time in our school's athletic history and for now, the numbers are just not supportive for our #1 revenue producing program and haven't been for a very long time truth be told. I'm just sayin' (what I know many of you have been thinkin'). So swing away to you who have no problem with what we've been getting for 3 plus decades, specifically the last 10 or so years. Apogee Stadium has already proven to us all even for its "non sellout" first game that it's obviously going to be more than just about a new stadium. Put your microscopic vision on this link once again--it is very telling of what we have even now. http://football.stas...eam=North_Texas GMG! PS: None of the above has anything to do with our present coaching staffs in football and basketball but they cannot do all the other ancillary things needed to complement their (winning or soon to be winning) programs.

Exactly. This team has more than enough size to be a top 25 team this year...I think many of you are confusing "top 25" with "top 5-10" in thinking that this UNT squad is too small to compete with the big boys. Take a look at the bottom of last year's end of season top 25: 25. Ohio - team that took UNC to over-time in the NCAA tourney...they started 3 guards and 2 forwards at 6'7" 190 and 6'8" 215, with a bench of 6'8" 265 and 6'6" 210. 24. Xavier - they have a slow-footed, but talented 7'0"er with a 6'10" 220 reserve forward around some 6'6" - 6'8" other 3s and 4s. 23. New Mexico - start 6'9" 245 and 6'8" 235 with one 6'9" 255 space eater on the bench 22. Michigan - 6'8" 250 starts around 4 guards...a very Niko-like 6'9" 235 off the bench. That's in the Big Ten 21. Creighton - 6'9" 270 and 6'7" 225 start with 6'7" 225 off the bench. 20. NC State - 6'8" 210, 6'8" 250 start with 6'9" 230 off the bench. 14. Murray State - 6'7" 230 and 6'7" 220 start...6'9" 205 off the bench and my favorite...and probably most appropriate comparison: 10. Marquette - 6'7" 220 and 6'6" 235 start...one out of shape but very good 6'8" 290 off the bench for about 15 minutes a game. We're likely starting 6'7" 210, 6'9" 235 and 6'10 245...with a bench of 6'8" 225, 6'9" 215 and 6'5" 230. This team has more than enough size to be amongst the top teams in the nation.

Have to say, I agree with everything in this post.

Devante Davis - Corner Rex Rollins - Safety & Special Teams Jarrian Roberts - LB Depth & Special Teams David Busby - Secondary Depth Dylan McDorman - DL Depth Carlos Harris - WR Depth, potential return man Xavier Kelly - Secondary Depth Dutton Watson - DL Depth LaJaylin Smith - Special Teams & LB depth

Looks pretty good. My seven isn't all that different. In order of PT: Xavier Kelly Devante Davis Jarrian Roberts LaJaylin Smith Nick Schrapps One of the O-linemen (Trussell or Rentfro) One of the RBs, no idea which . . . And if nine see the field . . . Sir Calvin Wallace or Dylan McDorman (probably Sir Calvin) Dutton Watson

For me it was probably an 8-7 win over Tulsa in 1958. Abner Haynes caught a pass for the winning two-point conversion. A few weeks later we beat Houston for our first Missouri Valley championship.

You can do this once a day per IP people.

I assume the "some reason" is simply that they have now assessed and ranked more players than they have before. Still encouraging signs.

But, but he still doesn't have any other offers!! But he isn't big enough!! But he's coming from a small school!

That, sir, is no handlebar mustache. That is the Fumanchu. The handlebar: And the most famous sports handlebar:

This REALLY NEEDS to be done by Sept. 8. I mean REALLY!!!

Correct.

I think if I didn't know the game of football, something written like this would confuse the hell outta me.

He' too short and my Franklin is all wrinkled.

You sound very sure of yourself you must study this extensively. Is that your line of work? As to the article, I am not basing any climate argument on it. Just there for the reading.

Please don't give that as a choice.

Here is a piece on his AAU team , MeanStreets : http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lSWx3alt_7A

This thread has taken an unforeseen and awkward turn.

It's summer man! I don't have to worry about classes until 4 weeks from today. I don't like that you're insinuating naivety is the cause for my views, but I'm not going to start a war over that. I've worked part time while going to school full time, been a rock for my father when it should be the other way around, have a car payment, and have spent all 19 of my years in poverty. I'm young, but not stupid I'm not forcing any views, this is an open discussion and any and all viewpoints are welcome. That's America for ya my friend. Oh and, I'm attempting to cut down on the length. Any of my posts in any other topic have been and will be much shorter; I have a hard time being brief when it comes to civil rights. Perhaps Geography is the wrong major and I should become a writer haha.