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This is an interesting pickup for us. This guy doesn’t conform to the typical transfer profile that we should be focusing on: highly productive player at a low-major/D2 or a formerly productive player at high-major/mid-major who needs a change of scenery. Brock Vice has played ZERO real college basketball. But finding a player who can be productive for us at the center position is going to take some creativity. Need to replace Tylor Perry or Jason Edwards? Not fun, but there are LOTS of fast young men 5’9 or taller who can dribble and shoot that the marketplace has undervalued. Ross Hodge can take his pick. There just aren’t very many 18-24 year-old humans who are 6’9 or taller. And the marketplace places a very high price on those who are that tall AND possess any degree of athleticism or basketball skill. Which brings us back to Brock Vice, who redshirted on a VERY good Creighton team that finished 25-10 last season (second-place in the Big East). The starting center on that team was Ryan Kalkbrenner, a 7’1 monster who averaged 17 points, 8 rebounds and 3 blocked shots a game. His backup also put up good numbers in very limited minutes. So Vice hasn’t been a productive college player yet, but atleast he has a good excuse. With both players in front of him on the depth chart eligible to come back to Creighton next season, Vice needs a change of scenery to get his oversized sneakers on the court. He’s 6-10. Can rebound AND shoot. Was an outstanding high school and AAU basketball player. And has enough meat on his bones and athleticism to have been a standout high school football player. This is exactly the kind of kid that Ross should be landing. We did not have a player like this guy on our team last season and it hurt us all year. Welcome to Denton!

Give you? This player disrespected Longwood and shows no loyalty or commitment. And you're fine with it... . . . . .

Sounds like he was a pretty good prospect coming out of high school. "Brock Vice is a Creighton Bluejay. The 6-foot-10 power forward Brock Vice (Germantown, Tenn. / Houston HS) has signed a National Letter of Intent to attend Creighton and play for the Bluejays. He's ranked as the nation's No. 33 best center prospect by 247Sports and the No. 3 overall player in the state of Tennessee" Brock Vice is a Creighton Bluejay (247sports.com)

Good luck to Rubin @ Michigan. Thanks for the memories. Just curious why he just didn't walk on at Michigan from Yates HS if he loved the history and family feel so much. Had a very good career at Yates but Michigan wasn't around when only UTEP, UNT and Nichols State came calling.

At Longwood last season... 34 games played......16 starts 25 minutes per game 11.3 ppg 5.6 rpg 62 assists.......56 turnovers .374 FG%.......346 from three point land

Looks good on video and paper. Just can't get excited these day when guys are here today and gone tomorrow.

This is great news. I wanted us to get this kid last year. He originally signed with St. Louis....when Phil Forte was on their staff. But, like Layne Taylor with us, Brock got out of his letter of intent (with SLU)....and was back out being recruited. I hoped with the connection with Forte....that we'd get him last year.....but he went to Creighton.

This sounds like a marriage counseling session that went off the rails. Nobody needs to be reminded when the season starts that they declared their intention to quit supporting the school during the offseason. Everybody knows supporting UNT is like herpes. You think it's finally gone and it flares up again.

If it wasn't out of the bag before, it is now since you decided to post it on a public forum.

“Rubin has always been apart of winning programs so this was a no brainer for us!” 8-24 is a winning program?

Yes. But not that that means anything any more.

There are approximately zero reasons to recruit high school players. Let's use China Spring QB for example. He will come in and probably not play year 1. But all year he will eat our food, lift our weights, live in our dorm, attend our school. Then year 2 he might be the starter. Throw for perhaps 3k yards, 25ish TD 10ish INT. And those numbers might not even get us into a bowl game or conference contention. So, we basically just did everything for him with absolutely no ROI, ZERO. Nevertheless, that's enough for him to be relegated to the pros at Utah, or AZ, or Arkansas as a surefire backup making 150-200k a year over the next 3 years. What would keep him here? Do we have 150-200K to keep a P5 backup as our starter? Every year. Year after year after year? Do we even WANT to do that?

Did Morris lie to the kid about us having a baseball program?

He was not the same player his freshman year. I think Rubin is the standard for a developing player. His Frosh year, he was a source to eat minutes for the starters. Good on defense. He was not part of the offense. Soph year became part of the rotation, even handled the ball some. Jr year became starter, handled the ball a good bit, rebounded…..Sr year, he became the man. Added scoring to his game. Complete development of a player that got him a shot at Michigan. we need a Rubin in every recruiting class

So much dread in this thread. immediately we must move to a pro business model. Is our current leadership cut from this cloth? Does he have what it takes to create a high performance team that generates interest and investment from the community, alumni and sponsors? Is there a major sponsor out there? The way Manchester City went from an also ran club to one of the top 4 teams in Europe, with Saudi money, is that investor out there? SMU does not pay any of my commitments. They have no control over me or UNT. This is a business game now and we need a sports CEO at the helm. They are out there as are millionaire and billionaires in our neighborhood. Forever loser squads have turned the tide. Fortune favors the proactive, stout, influencing executive that takes the reins and ignite continuous improvement action. GMG

We have complained for years about being left in the dark. The Mean Green Club was promised quarterly meetings that never took place, now there is little to no coverage of the spring practices, player movement is constant so the days of watching a last second scholarship player developing in to a Hall of Fame performer are long gone ala Johnny Quinn, there is little to no fan engagement, etc... It just keeps getting worse and without a push to really involve the fans, I foresee a bleak future. They, the AD, has to create excitement around the team/program or Apogee will just become a waste of money, the new basketball arena will never happen and future adds like baseball will just be an idea that came too late. The days of the G5's are on their way out. It will be whittled down to the top 40 or 50 programs as D1. We might as well go back to our D1AA days and play at the FCS level. I am just about done with sports from a financial commitment position. The greed has ruined it for me. There is zero loyalty towards the program by the players. It is all about them and how much money they can cram in their pockets and it appears our basketball coach encourages the lack of loyalty. I will watch on television, but that's about it, much like pro sports have become. I have no interest in attending a Cowboys' game live once the prices became ridiculous, same with the Mav's and Rangers' in that stupid new ballpark that was a waste of money. I had arrived at a point where I was only willing to invest in watching North Texas live, but the current situation has ruined that as well. The future of all of college sports is a disaster if some type of control isn't put in place. It is ridiculous and very sad. Guess I will end up spending my money on golf, fine food and drink, drugs, etc. and become a more interesting person.

Is our coaching staff scrambling to field a football team for 2024? This portal crap and the ability to transfer at anytime, anywhere just takes the fun out of college football. For me at least.

Glad to say @CMJ can rest easy. All the people who bugged the sh!t out of him for spelling Rubin's name wrong now have a new name they can get wrong: Massie instead of Massey.

Not really. 6-bid conference, an awesome arena and they fill the place up. They care about their basketball there.

https://verbalcommits.com/players/johnathan-massie

Back-to back National Polo Champs! Beat Smut in Virginia 17-8. The Phonies didn't have the horses to keep up with us...

One of the people who went on Twitter to congratulate Brock, and say we've got a good one here....none other than Darrel Ray Dickey

His junior year at Houston High School in Germantown.....he averaged 19ppg and 10 rpg. And he was a stud WR on their football team. https://slubillikens.com/news/2022/11/9/mens-basketball-brock-vice-signs-with-billikens.aspx

I was reading about this a few hours ago. This is basically the start of revenue sharing... It was the goal. They took a huge step reaching that goal in Virgina. I'm glad I laughed at the notion of "student"-athlete 20 years ago. The idea of student is so far removed it's laughable. I thought it was laughable in the early 00s. It's a clown town joke nowadays. Not all athletes. Because I don't know any player individually. But what I do know is that acceptance standards have been dumbed down to community college levels of acceptance over the last 30+ years, and that goes for some pretty elite universities. Now, those lowly standards are still in place. Then, classes are now exclusively taken online for countless athletes. As of 10+ years ago, athletic departments provide tutors, essay editors, etc. To add, multiple universities have been caught creating made up academic programs to filter their athletes through. Not to mention the universities being caught fudging grades and having their assigned tutors complete their online coursework. And we're sitting here still calling these athletes "student"-athletes all the while trying to keep a straight face.

sign me the damn-hell up.

A lot of you guys still haven't learned.... Many times, dudes transferring from a High-Major/P5 to NT looking for more PT aren't nearly as good as dudes transferring from a Low-Major/FCS, or even D2.

Dang... after 7 years of success you'd think the company we keep on lists like this wouldn't look like THIS. Embarrassing.

Pretty sure that's the same high school as Aaron Scott.

I promise this'll be my last softball-in-football-forum spamming, I thought it was worth it since we're about to enter the most boring time of the sports year. There are three more chances to root for your Mean Green before football season. Those come this weekend in a crucial softball series with Wichita State, who won the AAC last year. Whether you buy tickets and sit in the stands, or cheer on from the outfield for free, get to Denton and support the ladies! Here's how the AAC is shaping up this year. The top two seeds get a double bye in the conference tournament and only have to win two games May 10-11 in Wichita to get to the NCAA Tournament. SCHOOL CONF CPCT. OVERALL PCT. HOME AWAY NEUTRAL LAST 2 SERIES Florida Atlantic 16-5 .762 36-12 .750 22-6 11-6 3-0 @ South Florida, vs. Tulsa Charlotte 15-6 .714 29-16 .644 15-8 9-7 5-1 @ UAB, vs. North Texas North Texas 15-6 .714 28-19 .596 15-8 10-9 3-2 vs. Wichita State, @ Charlotte Tulsa 12-9 .571 27-18 .600 13-3 9-11 5-4 vs. UTSA, @ Florida Atlantic Wichita State 12-9 .571 21-19 .525 7-7 9-8 5-4 @ North Texas, vs. Memphis UAB 12-9 .571 21-24 .467 13-5 3-15 5-4 vs. Charlotte, @ East Carolina South Florida 10-11 .476 31-18 .633 23-11 8-7 0-0 vs. Florida Atlantic, @ UTSA East Carolina 9-12 .429 32-16 .667 23-8 5-8 4-0 @ Memphis, vs. UAB UTSA 3-18 .143 12-37 .245 3-10 2-17 7-10 @ Tulsa, vs. South Florida Memphis 1-20 .048 5-37 .119 4-19 1-13 0-5 vs. East Carolina, @ Wichita State

All Conference D2 Defensive Lineman https://www.patreon.com/posts/102729494?utm_campaign=postshare_creator SEC Defensive Lineman https://www.patreon.com/posts/102542803?utm_campaign=postshare_creator

Why not both? Have you seen our DL depth lol

Its money Doesn't matter what coach we have, what style of play we do or who shows up to the games...

just making sure @Andrew knows this option exists

Lateral, New Mexico averages over 13,000 attendance and has little competition for attention. Also went 26-10 last year.

Who are you comparing "Players these day" to? Never before has college players been paid and allowed to transfer each year. Don't know if kids today are any different than at any other time under the same circumstances.

You realize a funding increase for Athletics from the BOR will not include NIL funds? Those bribery funds have to come from donors or boosters outside the school. $mut has over 40 years experience (and a death penalty) with paying players. Our Athletic Department has always done little to inspire and cultivate our fan base and students. Much of our Athletic growth was spurred by our location and school size.

Averaged 17.5ppg and 14 rpg his senior year in High School. The guy's a rebounder's rebounder. (from his Creighton bio) • Utilized his redshirt option. • Entered transfer portal on March 31, 2024. • Averaged 4.7 points and 6.0 rebounds in just 9.0 minutes per game in the Bahamas. • A rebounding machine, he snared eight rebounds in just under 10 minutes of Creighton’s exhibition game win vs. Wayne State (Nov. 3). • Averaged 17.5 points and 14.0 rebounds per game as a senior, earning All-District honors. • Former Houston (Tenn.) High School teammate of current Bluejay teammates Johnathan Lawson and Mason Miller, where they were coached by Mason’s dad Mike Miller. • Was also an All-Region 8-6A wide receiver on the football team, leading the team in both receptions and touchdowns. • Father Vance is the offensive line coach for UNLV Football who has also worked at Virginia Tech, Memphis, Georgia and Clemson in his career.

I'm gonna put that on a T-Shirt

I’m not the type who’s going to say, “I’m done with college sports” and that be it. I’m moreso the guy whose interest is just going to wane to the point that I don’t watch anymore. It would actually free up a lot of time that I could be more productive🤣🤣

dumb --dumb

What's the rationale behind waiting until after spring to get defensive linemen in the portal vs. going after more in the previous portal window?

That's not a bad idea. I don't see it happening though.

I thought I saw it was just long wood for three years. I stand corrected. Just another dude floating around never happy. These kids are going to struggle bouncing around out there in real life. 10 jobs 15 wife’s 20 countries…. I mean I guess whatever. That’s normal… just move move move move because it’s all about you all the time.

Marcus wasn't with the team during spring ball.

I stand by Metzler's in Denton. Great food, reasonably priced and long time supporters of UNT.

We definitely cater to a certain type of player: prioritizes team over self, willingness to play defense, prioritizes winning over personal stats.