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[EagleGreen]

KEEP RUNNING!

"The Cooling World"

Newsweek April 28, 1975

..."Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality...."



Rick

You realize this is silly, right?

[UNTstormchaser]

KEEP RUNNING!

"The Cooling World"

Newsweek April 28, 1975

..."Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality...."



Rick

http://www.livescien...aks-record.html

That doesn't happen when the temperature goes down.

[FirefightnRick]

One can dream...

You dream of parents being able to legally kill their own kids some day?

Rick

[FirefightnRick]

You realize this is silly, right?

I wear a green fire helmet and scream my head off in public for the Mean Green. I wrote the book on SILLY!


Rick

[EagleGreen]

I wear a green fire helmet and scream my head off in public for the Mean Green. I wrote the book on SILLY!


Rick

ha! That doesn't seem so silly, to me. I typically lose my voice at the MEAN GREEN games.

[GTWT]

Rick,

Did you read the analysis in PolitFact?

[FirefightnRick]

Rick,

Did you read the analysis in PolitFact?

Yes. I also watched his confirmation hearing.

Rick

[meangreenacct]

Rick,

Did you read the analysis in PolitFact?

Reading and comprehending are unfortunately not synonymous though. Just because someone lays out several possible scenarios in a book, does not mean they are advocating that scenario...especially when they go on to say those solutions are not palatable...

[FirefightnRick]

Reading and comprehending are unfortunately not synonymous though. Just because someone lays out several possible scenarios in a book, does not mean they are advocating that scenario...especially when they go on to say those solutions are not palatable...

I can't see why that would ever be considered a solution. That's just me. But considering how radical his boss' views are on abortion, in which he voted three separate times for legislation that would legalize a form of infanticide, I think Holdren fits the bill and certainly believed in such a concept. Of course he denies it now, I wouldn't expect anything else.?




Rick

Edited by FirefightnRick, 15 August 2012 - 10:52 PM.

[yyz28]

Government, and the people who make up both government & the governed, are empowered by many things. Government is empowered by an income stream, by an effective military, and by information, including scientific information.



So the answer is 'yes.' Your argument isn't with the science, it's with the effects the science will have on government decisions that effect you & your finances. I'm sorry, Scott, but it's irrational to reject reality because you don't like what it will mean for you.

Oh, and Legend500 raises an interesting point, Scott. When he asks for citations, he's asking where do you get your information. There are scientists, a relatively few scientists, who agree with some of what you say, but I get the sense that those are not your sources. Who do you read on the subject of anthropogenic climate change?

No. My argument is with the science. That is exactly WHY I have a problem with the government action on the science. You accept as reality the premise of Man-Made global warming. I don't. As a result of our individual beliefs, we have differing opinions on government action or lack thereof.

If it makes you feel better to classify folks who disagree with your conclusions as irrational, I guess that's your right, but rather close minded.

This is a forum, not a thesis. I don't always have every article, book, website or forum I've read at my finger tips. ...though for this thread, I've posted images, links, etc for some things. Others, anyone can find if they want to use google. Frankly, I don't have the time or inclination to provide a bibliography in every thread I post in.

...and some things don't need a reference. Asking for a source that the major organizations on the spearhead of the Enviornmental movement are Obama/Dem backers? Really?

Great Thread!!

[GTWT]

No. My argument is with the science. That is exactly WHY I have a problem with the government action on the science. You accept as reality the premise of Man-Made global warming. I don't. As a result of our individual beliefs, we have differing opinions on government action or lack thereof.

If it makes you feel better to classify folks who disagree with your conclusions as irrational, I guess that's your right, but rather close minded.

This is a forum, not a thesis. I don't always have every article, book, website or forum I've read at my finger tips. ...though for this thread, I've posted images, links, etc for some things. Others, anyone can find if they want to use google. Frankly, I don't have the time or inclination to provide a bibliography in every thread I post in.

...and some things don't need a reference. Asking for a source that the major organizations on the spearhead of the Enviornmental movement are Obama/Dem backers? Really?

Great Thread!!

Scott, you seem like a reasonable & intelligent person. You make a good argument. I do suggest that you should read beyond Rush & 'WattsUpWithThat?'. Read the summaries of the IPCC reports (e.g., http://www.ipcc.ch/p...esis_report.htm ), read the statements from the AAAS, the Royal Society, & the dozens of other national academies (links can be found at http://en.wikipedia...._climate_change ).

Scientists aren't always right. In fact, science progresses, in part, by positing hypotheses that are subsequently proven wrong. But science has been shown to be our best tool for arriving at an understanding of reality. Good luck & thank God we're in cUSA.

Edited by GTWT, 16 August 2012 - 08:00 AM.

[yyz28]

Scott, you seem like a reasonable & intelligent person. You make a good argument. I do suggest that you should read beyond Rush & 'WattsUpWithThat?'. Read the summaries of the IPCC reports (e.g., http://www.ipcc.ch/p...esis_report.htm ), read the statements from the AAAS, the Royal Society, & the dozens of other national academies (links can be found at http://en.wikipedia...._climate_change ).

Scientists aren't always right. In fact, science progresses, in part, by positing hypotheses that are subsequently proven wrong. But science has been shown to be our best tool for arriving at an understanding of reality. Good luck & thank God we're in cUSA.

I have read both of those sources and more. ...and read may sources that give doubt that arnen't Rush Limbaugh or What's up with That?. ...in fact, until I was googling for some images on long-term climate pictures like the one I posted (which I didn't get from WUWT) I wasn't even aware of the site.

...and yes, our arrival in CUSA is a great first step. If we make it to the Big XII, all climate change will end, and then entire planet will be one giant Utopia. GO MEAN GREEN!

[UNTstormchaser]

I'm retiring from the thread folks. The argument seems dead. Peace out, go Mean Green!

Oh, and to the mention of the Big 12....I think UNT getting in the Big 12 might be a sign of the end times. We better watch ourselves carefully if we ever get in there....