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[Harry]

WASHINGTON – Tea Party and union members, liberals and conservatives, Republicans and Democrats have two things in common as the Supreme Court prepares to announce its verdict on President Obama's health care law Thursday.

They have no clue what the court will decide. And they will have plenty to say outside the court immediately after — in high praise or denunciation.

Much like the court's three days of oral arguments on the Affordable Care Act in late March, Thursday will feature a crowded, hushed courtroom and a cacophonous series of sidewalk demonstrations.

For some lawyers and lawmakers who have fought the health care battle for years — and in some cases, decades — it's an opportunity to witness history inside the marble courthouse.

"There's an atmosphere of intense, quiet excitement," says Neal Katyal, who represented the Obama administration before the court as acting solicitor general in 2010-11. "People are sitting in that room knowing history is about to be made."

Read more: http://www.usatoday....62/1?csp=34news

[UNT90]

WASHINGTON – Tea Party and union members, liberals and conservatives, Republicans and Democrats have two things in common as the Supreme Court prepares to announce its verdict on President Obama's health care law Thursday.

They have no clue what the court will decide. And they will have plenty to say outside the court immediately after — in high praise or denunciation.

Much like the court's three days of oral arguments on the Affordable Care Act in late March, Thursday will feature a crowded, hushed courtroom and a cacophonous series of sidewalk demonstrations.

For some lawyers and lawmakers who have fought the health care battle for years — and in some cases, decades — it's an opportunity to witness history inside the marble courthouse.

"There's an atmosphere of intense, quiet excitement," says Neal Katyal, who represented the Obama administration before the court as acting solicitor general in 2010-11. "People are sitting in that room knowing history is about to be made."

Read more: http://www.usatoday....62/1?csp=34news

Which ever way you lean on this issue, you have to admire the confidentiality of all members of the Supreme Court who have known which way the decision will go for quite some time. Not just justices, but their clerks and many of their staff.

High tension in the final hours.

[KRAM1]

About 9AM this morning...that's 5 min. from now...at 9AM or shortly there after we should have the answer....then later today we see if the House goes through with it censure vote on the AG for his stonewalling on "Fast and Furious"...big day, folks...

[FirefightnRick]

Individual mandate will be a tax.

Rick

Edited by FirefightnRick, 28 June 2012 - 08:15 AM.

[KRAM1]

Well, FFR's view is a bit premature...the SC ruled that the mandate is not valid under the Commerce Clause as the O administration insisted it was, BUT that the mandate MIGHT could survive as a TAX! Just what the libs love...another TAX! I can see Obama, Reid and Pelosi salivating now at the prospect of a new tax...but, it was a messy ruling full of technical and legal "stuff" that might take a while to sort out...sort of "kicking the can down the road" by the SC. So, the SC "wags its finger" at Obama with the "Commerce Clause" thing, but gives him and his allies an out if they want to make it a tax...or try to do so.

You may recall that O and his group said adamantly over and over and over again that the mandate was NOT A TAX! Let's see how he flip flops on that with the speed of light and claims victory and works quickly to make it a tax!!!!

Stand by..the fat lady hasn't started to sing as yet, and this really has not solved much it looks like with the early read on things....seems just as messy now as it was before the ruling.

Fun times ahead....

Edited by KRAM1, 28 June 2012 - 08:26 AM.

[FirefightnRick]

Medicade expansion struck down.

Rick

[CMJ]

My take is more like this....

(Granted, only from having read summaries and thoughts of other people)

The justices spent most of the day trying to find a way to strike down the mandate but keep most of the rest of the law (about which the constitutionality is less in doubt), then realized how integral it was to the thing, and threw up their hands in frustration. I think it's gonna stand, 5-4, with the four liberal justices upholding it on the Commerce Clause and Kennedy coming up with some reason of their own to uphold it (possibly because he sees the tax penalty as a legitimate lack of coercion).

I only missed on Roberts instead of Roberts instead of Kennedy.

[Censored by Laurie]

Well...this should be a fun thread today...

[Censored by Laurie]

Crickets?

What a bunch of kill-joys.

[GreenMachine]

Well...this should be a fun thread today...

Skinny legs and jean shorts? Dude!

[FirefightnRick]

Obama telling ABC health mandate is not a tax back in '09.


.."President Obama signaled in our interview that he was prepared to address some of the concerns raised by key Senator Jay Rockefeller, who called the Baucus bill a “big middle class tax increase” this week.
That means he’ll support more subsidies for middle class families.
But in our most spirited exchange, the President refused to accept the argument that a mandate to buy health insurance is equivalent to a tax...."

http://abcnews.go.co...e-is-not-a-tax/


Rick

Edited by FirefightnRick, 28 June 2012 - 10:32 AM.

[UNT90]

Ok, so does this means that this has to go back to congress for the "tax" to be approved? If so, that ain't gonna happen.

[Greenrex]

Brace yourselves. Everyone on GMG is about to become a Constitutional Scholar.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

I have two opinions about the opinion:

(1) I already buy health insurance, so the tax would not apply to me anyway.
(2) I sell health insurance, so it will be good for my business.
(3) I saw the Scorpions last night at Verizon with Tesla as the opening act.

[FirefightnRick]

Cantor: House will vote on repeal on July 11


http://www.politico....uly-127555.html


Update: vote will be July 11th.


Rick

Edited by FirefightnRick, 28 June 2012 - 10:44 AM.