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[EagleGreen]

I am all for a smokeless campus.

Kram is for government regulations?? Is this the Romney effect?

Edited by EagleGreen, 08 May 2012 - 06:00 PM.

[UNTflyer]

I wonder how many people are annoyed by all the people drinking and the loud music in front of the gates of Apogee.

It's easy to be in favor of banning behavior when it doesn't affect you, but keep in mind that this mentality can really apply to anything deemed "not good for you."

I try to be courteous to the non-smokers around me, and I never smoke near kids.

Edited by UNTflyer, 08 May 2012 - 06:31 PM.

[UNT90]

Kram is for government regulations?? Is this the Romney effect?

Not really government regulation. UNT owns the property on which the campus sits, no? Just an all American example of a property owner exercising their right to control what happens on their own property.

Nice try, though.

[UNTflyer]

Not really government regulation. UNT owns the property on which the campus sits, no? Just an all American example of a property owner exercising their right to control what happens on their own property.

Nice try, though.

A state university is not private property. It is state property, funded by taxpayers, subject to legislative oversight, and governed by a board appointed by the governor.

Nice try, though.

[Green Mean]

Certainly a lot of gray area here. While I am not a smoker (only on occasion) I don't think one side is completely right.

[THOR]

I wonder how many people are annoyed by all the people drinking and the loud music in front of the gates of Apogee.

It's easy to be in favor of banning behavior when it doesn't affect you, but keep in mind that this mentality can really apply to anything deemed "not good for you."

that's the thing and it's so true...people only get pissed when it affects them or they don't agree with it...that can't be the guidelines for banning something...either it is always offensive(i don't understand being offended)/unsafe or it isn't! it can't be only when an individual doesn't like it

[hickoryhouse]

At my work place or bar, I can go OUTSIDE and smoke, where an ashtray is located.

Telling people they cannot smoke on a college campus goes above and beyond accomodating non-smokers. It is overkill.

Restaurants and bars should be able to make their decisions based upon the will of the owners, a state run university has no such equivalent figure. I think that this is a situation that should be put to a vote. If the smokers win then the university still has the option of creating new designated smoking areas, adding new ash trays and trash cans etc...

[KRAM1]

If only all smokers were as courteous as Flyer claims to be...and I have absolutely no reason to doubt him, but, alas, that is not the case...and.....smoking does effect me and others in a negative way even though I have never smoked. I am not in favor of banning smoking in general by any government agency. However, in this case, and since it effects so many people in such a negative way, I'm good with it. It's a "compromise" of sorts I guess. Everyone is definitely free to form their own opinions on this one. I would, however, suggest that the trend is not looking good here for the smoker crowd on the UNT campus.

[Courtney Austin]

Cannot wait for this! Some say it's not fair to take away smoker's rights, however, smokers are taking away my rights to clean air. I'm so sick of having to breathe in smoke while walking around campus and to class. Creating more smoking areas/ash trays WON'T fix the problem.

[Green Mean]

Cannot wait for this! Some say it's not fair to take away smoker's rights, however, smokers are taking away my rights to clean air. I'm so sick of having to breathe in smoke while walking around campus and to class. Creating more smoking areas/ash trays WON'T fix the problem.

I think it's a little bit exaggeration when you say you're breathing smoke walking around campus...I walked on the campus for 4 years myself and never had a problem or issue that I was walking in a smoke filled campus outside. Again I am not saying you're wrong but I don't see this as a one side is right situation. I think there needs to be enforcement of smoking designated areas and over time it won't be a nuisance for those who oppose smokers but the enforcement needs to be critical and repeated for everyone to "get it".

[Monkeypox]

Just as noise and stress affects others in a negative way, even if they're quiet and courteous. So, I believe the campus should ban d-bags and children. Now, I know SOME people are courteous and manage to control their children in public places, but since I personally believe that is not the case with the majority of people with children, and that most let them run around like monkeys these days, the campus needs to ban them. No more children or d-bags on gameday, please.

An actual compromise would be to designate and limit smoking areas. You can, for instance (as I've seen it done) have it available at only ONE inconvenient back entrance to certain buildings.

And for the record, I don't smoke.

[UNT90]

A state university is not private property. It is state property, funded by taxpayers, subject to legislative oversight, and governed by a board appointed by the governor.

Nice try, though.

Ok. Then it's land owned by the state. They have the right to make rules.

It's not like the government telling you that you can't smoke in a bar in which the government has no ownership interest. and damn sure not like the government telling that bar owner that he can't allow someone to smoke in his own business.

That is much more of.an infringement, which was the point.

The government telling you that you can't smoke on government property? Not so much.

Edited by UNT90, 09 May 2012 - 10:09 PM.

[All About UNT]

Just as noise and stress affects others in a negative way, even if they're quiet and courteous. So, I believe the campus should ban d-bags and children. Now, I know SOME people are courteous and manage to control their children in public places, but since I personally believe that is not the case with the majority of people with children, and that most let them run around like monkeys these days, the campus needs to ban them. No more children or d-bags on gameday, please.

An actual compromise would be to designate and limit smoking areas. You can, for instance (as I've seen it done) have it available at only ONE inconvenient back entrance to certain buildings.

And for the record, I don't smoke.

And old people too......they drive slow...clog up the line at Luby's and fall asleep way to early.....let's ban them from campus as well.

[Monkeypox]

And old people too......they drive slow...clog up the line at Luby's and fall asleep way to early.....let's ban them from campus as well.

Good point. Old people driving slow cause as many accidents as a-holes going 110 mph. And old people walking slow make me late for things, which stresses me out, and exacerbates my ulcers, causing serious health problems. Have you ever tried to walk into a building on campus behind old people? The sad thing is, only the people in the front of the line were old when it started forming.

[cwb]

Will they also ban farting? Because, let's face it, that can be offensive.