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[Coffee and TV]

I fault him for failing to close Gitmo,

That was Congress tying his hands on that.

not prosecuting any of the bankers most responsible for the 2008 economic crash

yep.

putting too many of the Goldman Sachs crowd in his administration

yep.

extending the Bush tax cuts

That was a compromise though. Republicans weren't budging on extending unemployment benefits.

and signing into law indefinite detention, among other things.

But on the whole, I think he's done a good job in office.

Yep.

[UNT90]

I would've been happy to cross party lines to give Bush credit for capturing or killing Bin Laden. But this ain't horseshoes. Close don't count.

The claim that the "apparatus was already in place" to catch Bin Laden, and therefore Bush deserves credit for something he failed to accomplish for seven years after 9/11, is hogwash.



I fault him for failing to close Gitmo, not prosecuting any of the bankers most responsible for the 2008 economic crash, putting too many of the Goldman Sachs crowd in his administration, extending the Bush tax cuts and signing into law indefinite detention, among other things.

But on the whole, I think he's done a good job in office.

So, what do you think Pres. Obama did to find Bin Laden that Bush didn't do? Did he increase spending for covert operations programs in the CIA? No. Did he make the red tape easier for CIA operatives, creating more time for them to create sources? Hells no. Look, I give Pres. Obama full credit for not only giving the order to take out Bin Laden, but making it a mission where the last thing Bin Laden did on the face of this earth was look into the eyes of an American Soldier as the soldier turned his lights out for good. But to think anything different was done from the Bush administration to the Obama administration is just playing politics.

Glad to see you find Pres. Obama accountable for something, and I dont mean that in a catty way. It is pretty stunning to see that you don't hold him accountable for a shocking increase in spending at a time when military spending has decreased significantly. At some point, you gotta understand we are putting this country into debt from which we will never recover. We have a short window before we are past the point of no return and will leave our children a mess from which their childreen will have a hard time fixing.

It is funny that Pres. Obama villified Bush for Gitmo, only to leave it open (as I predicted he would) when he took office. Pure politics. Yes, both sides do this.

[UNTflyer]

Obama's approval ratings have been rising the past six months. He recently went over 50 percent. If current economic trends continue to November, the Republican nominee's going to have a hard time beating him.

(Obviously, they might not continue.)

Don't you mean if the delusion that "the economy is getting better" continues to November?

[UNTflyer]

Supporters of Obama's economic policies are like British pet shop owners.

[Coffee and TV]

Don't you mean if the delusion that "the economy is getting better" continues to November?

GDP Revised Higher

In its second read on the fourth quarter of 2011, the commerce department reported that the U.S. economy expanded at a better than expected 3% pace in the last quarter of 2011, up from the 2.8% in the first read a month ago. This compares to the third quarter’s 1.8% growth rate.

[UNTflyer]

GDP Revised Higher

Fourth quarter GDP is almost always positive, even in recessions.

Christmas shopping, end-of-year commercial sales in computer software and hardware, etc.

But as always, the devil is in the details.

Imports are up, and this was reflected in the January Durable Goods report (worst report in 3 years).

Some economists believe this is just an effort on retailers to stock up on supplies before prices go up.

The annualized Q4 growth was a measley 1.2%.

Dead parrot.

[rcade]

Don't you mean if the delusion that "the economy is getting better" continues to November?

There are numerous economic trends that have been trending up the past six months. There was another yesterday when the Dow closed over 13,000.

If the election was held today, judging by how he's polling against an unnamed Republican, President Obama would win pretty easily:

http://electoral-vote.com/

[Coffee and TV]

Fourth quarter GDP is almost always positive, even in recessions.

Christmas shopping, end-of-year commercial sales in computer software and hardware, etc.

But as always, the devil is in the details.

Imports are up, and this was reflected in the January Durable Goods report (worst report in 3 years).

Some economists believe this is just an effort on retailers to stock up on supplies before prices go up.

The annualized Q4 growth was a measley 1.2%.

Dead parrot.

Ok. Keep cherry picking to hold out hope for a R president. The economy is improving, it has been improving, and will continue to improve. Sorry that won't work out for you politically.

[UNTflyer]

Ok. Keep cherry picking to hold out hope for a R president. The economy is improving, it has been improving, and will continue to improve. Sorry that won't work out for you politically.

It seems to me it is the Obama supporters who are cherry-picking data to support their evangelical belief that the economy is improving.

And I don't care if the President has an R or a D next to his/her name, as long as they do what is best for the economy. Obama wouldn't know a good economic policy if someone beat him over the head with a copy of The Wealth of Nations.

[MeanGreenTexan]

Ok. Keep cherry picking to hold out hope for a R president. The economy is improving, it has been improving, and will continue to improve. Sorry that won't work out for you politically.

Republican, Democrat, whatever...

If you really believe and trust this economy is improving without smoke & mirrors, you're crazy. All we're doing is setting ourselves up for another "recession" or worse.

The foundation of this economy is totally jacked up. Someone needs to call Tony Cooper @ All-Pro.

[meangreendork]

Would it be racist if there was a Caucasian's for ???. You know it would be spun that way by the media and people like Reverend Jackson and Al Sharpton would be all over it.

Why is there a Black Coach's Association, NAACP, United Negro College Fund, etc... in this day and age?

The same reason that there's the equivalent of the same for the other minority groups, and why there's a Black History month. Because most other organizations probably have a majority of caucasians, because the other 11 months of the year are often spent on history as told by and recorded by (you guessed it) caucasians.

It's like "why do we have BET?" Well, because most other networks are dominated by caucasians.

The population of the US may be dominated by the total population of minorities, but as far as representation on television, politics, coaching, and in business, the majority of that is still caucasian and there's still some advantage in that.

Edited by meangreendork, 29 February 2012 - 10:37 AM.

[KRAM1]

That was Congress tying his hands on that.

But, of course, Obama is never responsible. He can make the promise...not suggestion mind you, but emphatic promise and then not come through and blame it on everyone but himself and that A-Ok, right? How about checking into the matter a bit further BEFORE you open your big mouth and make that promise...and then not come through? Ever think of that one????

Geeeeeeezzzzzz, when will this guy EVER be held accountable for anything that doesn't go his promised way? The apology masters and excuse makers for Obama must have to stay up 24 hours a day working on who and what they can blame next.

The blame Bush thing is getting a bit old...but, rest assured it will play a major role in O's re-election campaign....we cam all here it now...I inherited this mess, it wasn't me, I tried it was that nasty congress, "other" things and other people tied my hands, the President can't do everything, those nasty Supreme Court Justices and that pesky Constitution keep getting in my way, and on and on to nausea!

[KRAM1]

The foundation of this economy is totally jacked up. Someone needs to call Tony Cooper @ All-Pro.

I did!

[UNT90]

There are numerous economic trends that have been trending up the past six months. There was another yesterday when the Dow closed over 13,000.

If the election was held today, judging by how he's polling against an unnamed Republican, President Obama would win pretty easily:

http://electoral-vote.com/

But the election is not held today.

Pres. Obama has a negative polling base of 50% in a gallop pole released today. Americans don't get serious about who they are voting for until a couple of weeks before the election. Lots of tome left.

Unemployment is still over 8%, with many still underemployed. Not a recipe for a successful reelection.

You can say things are getting better all you want, but that doesn't jive with reality, and American voters know that, and will in November if nothing has changed.

[rcade]

You can say things are getting better all you want, but that doesn't jive with reality, and American voters know that, and will in November if nothing has changed.

The reality is that numerous metrics by which we chart the economy are getting better. They've been on an upward trend for months. You can pretend otherwise if it makes you happier about the Republican chances in November.

Here's two of those charts:


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http://talkingpoints...nter2-small.png

It must be a bummer to have to root for a worsening economy to get your guy in the White House.