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[rcade]

I'll give you finally getting OBL. Of course, that was the culmination of years of work; but he was indeed in the chair when they got him.

Six months after telling the American people he'd catch Osama Bin Laden "dead or alive," President Bush was asked by a reporter where Bin Laden is and he said this in response:

"I don't know where he is. ... I truly am not that concerned about him."

President Obama, on the other hand, promised while running for president that he would make catching Bin Laden a top priority from day one. And he kept that promise.

The notion that Bush put years into catching Bin Laden is proven false by his own words. He wasn't concerned about him.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

No doubt.. Problem is few will admit it when their political team is doing the fear mongering.

Pres. Obama banning guns is about as likely as a Pres. Santorum banning birth control, but you'll never get a died in the wool democrat to admit that.

---Just when did Obama say he wanted to ban guns...??? The NRA and gun companies love to claim that to get more members and to sell more guns...... IT WORKED.

---Santorum seems to oppose birth control.... but you are right... he can't get it done. Besides women do get that right of choice even if the Pope opposes that too.

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[UNTLifer]

I'm confused, are you talking about Romney or Obama?

Were we talking about Romney? Obama, the President that stated his disdain for Super PAC's, now has a couple funding his campaign. They collected $58,000 in January.

Would it be racist if there was a Caucasian's for ???. You know it would be spun that way by the media and people like Reverend Jackson and Al Sharpton would be all over it.

Why is there a Black Coach's Association, NAACP, United Negro College Fund, etc... in this day and age?

Silver, not liking Obama has everything to do with his policies, beliefs and agendas and nothing to do with the color of his skin. Oh, and if he is so intelligent, please provide transcripts or something that would show this to be true. I think he is an intelligent man, but is totally misguided in how to run a country.

[UNTLifer]

Six months after telling the American people he'd catch Osama Bin Laden "dead or alive," President Bush was asked by a reporter where Bin Laden is and he said this in response:

"I don't know where he is. ... I truly am not that concerned about him."

President Obama, on the other hand, promised while running for president that he would make catching Bin Laden a top priority from day one. And he kept that promise.

The notion that Bush put years into catching Bin Laden is proven false by his own words. He wasn't concerned about him.

Here's Bush's full quote:

Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not. We haven’t heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He’s just a person who’s been marginalized. … I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.

Congratulations to Obama for catching Bin Laden. I was pleased to see him eliminated, but I think Bush's quotes hold merit in that Bin Laden was one man dictating to the terrorists what they should do and funding their operations. Bush targeted the groups that were carrying out the terrorism, something Bin Laden would never do. It, killing Bin Laden, was a great morale boost to our country, but criticizing Bush for not catching him is ridiculous. B

[Coffee and TV]

Were we talking about Romney? Obama, the President that stated his disdain for Super PAC's, now has a couple funding his campaign. They collected $58,000 in January.

Whoaaaa $58,000? That's outrageous!

Meanwhile in the Republican field, the only reason Santorum and Gingrich campaigns still exist are from a select few wealthy donors.

Super PACs bankroll Republican candidates

Another Super PAC helped keep Newt Gingrich's rocky candidacy alive with $US11 million in donations - although $US10 million of that came from a casino magnate and his wife, election commission filings show.

You said Obama's fundraising was drying up? Yet that's far from the truth. Its quite the opposite. Its the Republicans that have a hard time getting small donors, because 55% of Republicans wish someone other than the current crop of candidates was running.

Is Romeny's cash drying up?


Big donors bankroll Romeny

2011 Year-End Fundraising

Forty-two percent of the campaign's total contributions -- $58 million -- came from donors giving less than $200 each. As the Center for Responsive Politics points out, the president has raised more from small donors than Romney has raised from all donors.

Instead, Romney has relied heavily on donors giving the maximum amount. More than 60 percent of his 2011 total comes from supporters who have given $2,500 or more. To compete in a general election against the Obama fundraising machine, he will need to expand his fundraising base.

[UNT90]

Six months after telling the American people he'd catch Osama Bin Laden "dead or alive," President Bush was asked by a reporter where Bin Laden is and he said this in response:

"I don't know where he is. ... I truly am not that concerned about him."

President Obama, on the other hand, promised while running for president that he would make catching Bin Laden a top priority from day one. And he kept that promise.

The notion that Bush put years into catching Bin Laden is proven false by his own words. He wasn't concerned about him.

Here's Bush's full quote:



Congratulations to Obama for catching Bin Laden. I was pleased to see him eliminated, but I think Bush's quotes hold merit in that Bin Laden was one man dictating to the terrorists what they should do and funding their operations. Bush targeted the groups that were carrying out the terrorism, something Bin Laden would never do. It, killing Bin Laden, was a great morale boost to our country, but criticizing Bush for not catching him is ridiculous. B

Prime example of what the left does. Take a quote completely out of context and use it to label your opponent. In this case, it's labeling Bush as not caring about Bin Laden. Santorum? Use a speech to the Catholic church to label him as wanting all women to never use any knid of contraceptive.

It's an old and tired playbook, but they go to it relentlessly.

[UNT90]

---Just when did Obama say he wanted to ban guns...??? The NRA and gun companies love to claim that to get more members and to sell more guns...... IT WORKED.

---Santorum seems to oppose birth control.... but you are right... he can't get it done. Besides women do get that right of choice even if the Pope opposes that too.

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Soooo...... we agree?

I guess that means we can drink a beer together in Hot Springs.

[UNT90]

Trying to paint a rosy picture for any president is laughable including President Bush. I don't know how it is in your part of the world but I live in Collin County and there is no doubt in my mind that the President's background is a big reason why there is more of a backlash against him. I constantly read bumper stickers on cars stating Obama is Muslim or Obama is a terrorist. My brother is well connected to the republican party and believe me...you'd be surprised how many ignorant d-bags folks have become since Obama became president. If you don't think race nothing to do with it then you're blind because I firmly believe that there is a very large number of folks that believe in those remarks.

Then how do you explain Herman Cain's popularity among Republicans?

It has much more to do with people being completely intolerant of anyone who does not have the same political views as they do. They want to believe anything bad about that person, even if the source of their information is highly suspect.

Just look at all the "Bush is making his oil buddies rich" or "Bush went to war in Iraq just to make his oil buddies rich." Same vitrioloic hate that had nothing to do with race. Hell, some people wanted Bush tried for War Crimes. Just a little worse than questioning a birth certificate (even if it is just as nutty), don't you think?

Edited by UNT90, 28 February 2012 - 06:52 PM.

[rcade]

Prime example of what the left does. Take a quote completely out of context and use it to label your opponent. In this case, it's labeling Bush as not caring about Bin Laden.

So when President Bush said "I truly am not that concerned about him," you think that meant he was concerned about Bin Laden?

He said he wasn't concerned because he meant it. The rest of the quote just gave his explanation for why he was "not that concerned" about the terrorist who plotted the deaths of 2,977 people on American soil, despite promising the American people six months earlier we'd get him "dead or alive."

Bush took his eye off the ball and Bin Laden was still alive and free at the end of his presidency.

Obama made Bin Laden a top priority and Bin Laden is dead.

You're so busy trying to blame the left for everything that you won't hold Republicans accountable for anything. Consider the possibility that Bush made a mistake here.

Edited by rcade, 28 February 2012 - 06:56 PM.

[UNT90]

So when President Bush said "I truly am not that concerned about him," you think that meant he was concerned about Bin Laden?

He said he wasn't concerned because he meant it. The rest of the quote just gave his explanation for why he was "not that concerned" about the terrorist who plotted the deaths of 2,977 people on American soil, despite promising the American people six months earlier we'd get him "dead or alive."

Bush took his eye off the ball and Bin Laden was still alive and free at the end of his presidency.

Obama made Bin Laden a top priority and Bin Laden is dead.

You're so busy trying to blame the left for everything that you won't hold Republicans accountable for anything. Consider the possibility that Bush made a mistake here.

Wow. Your starting to get into the Coffee and Tea realm, here. Surely you understand that we barely missed Bin Laden during the Bush administration, right? I guess you think Bush wanted to barely miss Bin Laden? I guess it just doesn't make sense to you that the intelligence gathering apparatus put in place during the Bush administration was utilized during the Obama administration to effect the killing of Bin Laden, right? We can't give both of them credit for hunting down public enemy #1, who was clearly protected by a foreign government, because we HAVE to stay in party lines, right?

If you seriously think Bush didn't care about killing Bin Laden, you are in the catagory of the people mentioned in my pervious post and there really is no reason to have a dialog with you anymore, because everything the left does is right and everything the right does is not only wrong, but most likely illegal, right?

I hold Bush accountable for starting us on this crazy spending spree. I hold Obama accountable for not only continuing the spending spree, but increasing it at a breakneck pace. I give Obama credit for taking the political risk to kill Bin Laden up close and personal. Do I think he did anything extra that magically led to finding Bin Laden? No, the apparatus was already in place.

Now, what, if anything, negative do you hold Obama accountable for?

Edited by UNT90, 28 February 2012 - 07:43 PM.

[PlummMeanGreen]

Obama's approval ratings have been rising the past six months. He recently went over 50 percent. If current economic trends continue to November, the Republican nominee's going to have a hard time beating him.

(Obviously, they might not continue.)

The main stream press had Jimmy Carter beating Ronald Reagan right up till election day and Carter was conceeding before the CA polls were closed. Reagan land-slided Jimmy Carter so I don't put much stock in what the liberal press ever has to report; especially since they are all tripping over each other trying to be the news story (Fair and balanced journalism is a total stranger to most of that group).

Today the Gallop Poll (hardly a Democrat Party skewed poll) had Obama's approval rating at 43%. That is close to being an all time low for a president this close to election day.

I'm sick that Herman Cain will not be running because I was for Cain when few others were--even over Rick Perry.

Key Voters This November: Evangelicals & Conservative Catholics There were a reported 30 million of that group who did not vote back in 2008 mostly because of the very uninspiring John McCain. (And Obama won by 10 million votes)? Hmmm?

[UNT90]

The main stream press had Jimmy Carter beating Ronald Reagan right up till election day and Carter was conceeding before the CA polls were closed. Reagan land-slided Jimmy Carter so I don't put much stock in what the liberal press ever has to report; especially since they are all tripping over each other trying to be the news story (Fair and balanced journalism is a total stranger to most of that group).

Today the Gallop Poll (hardly a Democrat Party skewed poll) had Obama's approval rating at 43%. That is close to being an all time low for a president this close to election day.

I'm sick that Herman Cain will not be running because I was for Cain when few others were--even over Rick Perry.

Key Voters This November: Evangelicals & Conservative Catholics There were a reported 30 million of that group who did not vote back in 2008 mostly because of the very uninspiring John McCain. (And Obama won by 10 million votes)? Hmmm?

Actually, Carter was beating Reagan 2 to 1 in opinion polls at this point in that race.

Different race in a different time, but I get your point.

No one should underestimate the President and his political and media machine. With many former democrat operatives in major positions in the mainstream news media, whoever the candidate is for the republicans better be ready to take on a vicious attack by the media from the day of his nomination.

Edited by UNT90, 28 February 2012 - 07:42 PM.

[Coffee and TV]

Keep pinning your hopes to polls from 1980, as if the science of it hasn't advanced light years since.

[Coffee and TV]

Wow. Your starting to get into the Coffee and Tea realm, here.

What realm is that? Reality?

Surely you understand that we barely missed Bin Laden during the Bush administration, right?

Had him in Tora Bora, didn't put enough troops in place. He then slipped into Pakistan.

I guess you think Bush wanted to barely miss Bin Laden?

Now you're just framing the argument in whatever way you wish to try and put words in RCade's mouth.

I guess it just doesn't make sense to you that the intelligence gathering apparatus put in place during the Bush administration was utilized during the Obama administration to effect the killing of Bin Laden, right?

What sort of intelligence was gathered under Bush's admin that helped him be captured? I'm waiting.

If you seriously think Bush didn't care about killing Bin Laden, you are in the catagory of the people mentioned in my pervious post and there really is no reason to have a dialog with you anymore, because everything the left does is right and everything the right does is not only wrong, but most likely illegal, right?

Bush basically said he didn't care. It was his words. You can try and skew the context all you want, but he said it wasn't a concern and then did all he could to focus the public's attention on his Oedipal conquest of Iraq.

Do I think he did anything extra that magically led to finding Bin Laden? No, the apparatus was already in place.

So in place that in December 2009, Robert Gates himself said that "they had no leads on bin Laden in years".

Now, who's playing politics here?

[rcade]

We can't give both of them credit for hunting down public enemy #1, who was clearly protected by a foreign government, because we HAVE to stay in party lines, right?

I would've been happy to cross party lines to give Bush credit for capturing or killing Bin Laden. But this ain't horseshoes. Close don't count.

The claim that the "apparatus was already in place" to catch Bin Laden, and therefore Bush deserves credit for something he failed to accomplish for seven years after 9/11, is hogwash.

Now, what, if anything, negative do you hold Obama accountable for?

I fault him for failing to close Gitmo, not prosecuting any of the bankers most responsible for the 2008 economic crash, putting too many of the Goldman Sachs crowd in his administration, extending the Bush tax cuts and signing into law indefinite detention, among other things.

But on the whole, I think he's done a good job in office.