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[Aquila_Viridis]

I read recently that we are offering a green light to greatness. Promoting Texas State and UTSA is a red light that leads to ruin. North Texas is a much better UNIVERSITY than those remedial institutions. This should be the last time that those two schools are mentioned in the same breath as UNT. Please feel free to mention them with Sam, SFA and UTA though. Then your words will make sense.

If you think that associating with those institutions is necessary for North Texas' wellbeing, then you don't get it. You have no idea what you're talking about. You are trying to put the cart before the horse and let the tail wag the dog. Don't be stupid.

Edited by Aquila_Viridis, 14 February 2012 - 10:25 PM.

[Aquila_Viridis]

Oh and yes I do expect 'vitriolic hatred' from those institutions.

[UNT90]

If we get passed up, we need to ensure that we get in a conference with UTSA and Texas State.

Wow.

Just Wow.

[Mean Green 93-98]

Neither LaTech nor UTSA does anything for me. I don't get the repeated posts that "we need to get rid of ULM so LaTech will join the Belt." Really? We need to bend over backward for LaTech? Remember, they're not the school in Baton Rouge, they're the school in Ruston.

[eulessismore]

If the merger stays with 18 and lets give them Temple and Utah State , leaving the Sun Belt untouched.

Invite UTSA and Texas Sate for all sports and UTA for all sports minus football. This leaves the Belt with 12 football teams and 14 basketball teams.

West Division:
North Texas
UTSA
Texas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Monroe
Arkansas State
UTA * Non Football

East Division:
FIU
FAU
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Troy
South Alabama
Little Rock * Non Football

If the merger doesn't go to 24 and the money that would follow, this to me would be a dream scenario. Also with the WAC 100% done, it makes the Belt the clear #2 non AQ conference imo, and would also compete with the merger for #1.

Also, if you can kick Monroe out and add La Tech it would make it even better.

Keep the Basketball tournament in Hot Springs and play the football championship in Shreveport, Dallas, San Antonio, New Orleans, Nashville, and Miami on a rotating basis.

With that kind of change you renegotiate the TV contract to make the money much more appealing and your off and running with a regional conference with plenty of big markets and up and coming programs both on the field and with facilities.

Maybe I'm just not seeing the South Central Texas vision, but man the whole thing sounds like, "hey, we really need to lower our standards". I will say I've enjoyed watching us play at UTAin basketball, but we already do that most years.

Edited by eulessismore, 14 February 2012 - 11:08 PM.

[Aquila_Viridis]

So my point being that as a university our goal should be to move UP not down, I wanted to get a sense of what we would be looking at further up the totem pole. I realize that getting such associations has challenges and even downsides in some cases.

There is a reason SMU doesn't want to be associated with us. SMU is much more highly ranked as a university. Now why they would have that view and not feel the same about Houston, I can only attribute to us being in their backyard.

Leaving out the true big conference schools, and forgetting all the barriers, here are some with which UNT should reasonably aspire to associate as a UNIVERSITY since they are ranked higher, but not too much higher, as such than UNT:

Bowling Green
Ball State
LT (hurts doesn't it)
SDSU
UAB
UCF
Temple
Cincinnati
Idaho (ouch)
Louisville
USF
Utah State
Hawaii
Nevada
Wyoming
CSU
Buffalo
Ohio (reach)


And by the same standard here are some with which UNT SHOULD currently associate, though some are slighlty lower than NT:

NMSU
ECU (lower)
Houston
Memphis (lower)
USM (lower)
UNLV

Of course, there are lesser schools that have better sporting success and recognition, and there are higher programs that have small or no sports programs. (I don't think we can count on an Ivy League invite.)

One thing is clear to me: as a university we do not belong in the Sun Belt; it is weighing us down. If we don't get into CUSAMWC (where by the way there is some riffraff from our vantage point) then we should be talking to the best of MAC and remaining WAC, maybe take a couple of Belt schools and try to pick off one or two from the CUSAMWC, all to form a new conference that is better for all. If we're going to help anyone move up there would be a lot of candidates that are much better schools than Texas State or UTSA and even ranked ahead of NT. If you want local competition, go see games on Friday night. You will note that the crowds are usually not very big.

[ntmeangreen11]

How many times has North Texas been slighted by another school in our programs history because that program didn't want anything to do with us? It's about being cutthroat and sabotaging other schools. There are already 10 FBS schools in Texas. 85 scholly's/teamm =850 players over for years. Two more schools = 1020. I'm pretty sure Texas produces around 250 FBS signess a year or so, with about 100 of them signing out of state.

It would make a lot more sense and be more beneficial to us if we're not alliance bound to take La. Tech & NMSU(Even though they're an outlier) two established programs that aren't in our state. If not scared of being passed up by either TSU or UTSA, but I don't want to even give them the chance, the same way SMU and other schools have done us over the years. It does us no good to try and start a rivalry in 2013 with two schools in South Texas we have little history with.

They might be good replacements for the sun belt for us when we leave, but I do not care to share the same conference with these schools. They are not rivals, they will never be rivals, and I really hope they're never in the same sentence with North Texas. I hope the WAC dies off and they both try to make it independent, because that will result in both schools dropping back down in 3-4 years.

[UNT90]

They might be good replacements for the sun belt for us when we leave, but I do not care to share the same conference with these schools. They are not rivals, they will never be rivals, and I really hope they're never in the same sentence with North Texas. I hope the WAC dies off and they both try to make it independent, because that will result in both schools dropping back down in 3-4 years.

This, 1000 rimes.

It amazes me that some of our own Alumni still think that we are no better than a school that has been playing football for one year and a school that has yet to move up tio FBS football.

How can we expect anyone else to take us seriously when we don't even take ourselves seriously? Being in a conference with therse 2 teams will historically be viewed in the same light as our move back to 1AA. A killer for the program and it's fan base.

[PlummMeanGreen]

Only one reason and one reason only for utsa to be considered:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=cYfjq3ZYZbA


The ghost of Quanah Parker will probably haunt me the rest of my life for posting that link.



GMG!

Edited by PlummMeanGreen, 15 February 2012 - 07:47 AM.

[kalebschumann]

I don't know about any of the superiority issues, 1AA, or academic issues- but I do know that traveling to San Marcos and San Antonio are actually possibilities for me. Going to Louisianna, Florida, Kentucky, and Tennessee are not options for me.

So purely from a travel point of view- I'm in favor of UTSA and Texas State. I'm going to watch UNT play no matter what their level of competition is. I get just as stoked for an NT game against Texas Pan-American as I do any other. I think I'd feel the same way about football.

I'll let the people that all the details work out the rest. But for the record, from a purely geographical convenience point of view, I'm in favor of UTSA and Texas State.

[UNT90]

I don't know about any of the superiority issues, 1AA, or academic issues- but I do know that traveling to San Marcos and San Antonio are actually possibilities for me. Going to Louisianna, Florida, Kentucky, and Tennessee are not options for me.

So purely from a travel point of view- I'm in favor of UTSA and Texas State. I'm going to watch UNT play no matter what their level of competition is. I get just as stoked for an NT game against Texas Pan-American as I do any other. I think I'd feel the same way about football.

I'll let the people that all the details work out the rest. But for the record, from a purely geographical convenience point of view, I'm in favor of UTSA and Texas State.

And our stadium will remain empty because no one in our fan base gives 2 craps about these schools.

You and I would go see UNt play Midwestern St. In football (hey, they are close, let's get them on the schedule!). Fans like us are not the concern

[Green P1]

Let's not be like UT or SMU and do anything to avoid competition.

Nah. It's stupid when they do it to us. Us doing it to others would be cool.

Edited by Green P1, 15 February 2012 - 09:08 AM.

[GangGreen]

How many times has North Texas been slighted by another school in our programs history because that program didn't want anything to do with us? It's about being cutthroat and sabotaging other schools. There are already 10 FBS schools in Texas. 85 scholly's/teamm =850 players over for years. Two more schools = 1020. I'm pretty sure Texas produces around 250 FBS signess a year or so, with about 100 of them signing out of state.

Actually this year about 400 Texas kids signed with FBS schools, including UTSA and TX ST. About 200 of them are going out of state. Just saying.

[TIgreen01]

I am not for spreading out the talent pool even more by bringing up UTSA and TSU. But I'm also not for pulling some SMU like shenanigans on them should they come to the table with enough money, in hand, to play. Our problem has always been that we have never (until very recently) brought enough money to play at the same table/level as SMU/Houston/TCU. It's hard to blame them for not wanting to play with us when we've never been interested (funding our program at our past levels demonstrates this lack of interest) in truly playing at their level.

Times have now changed, though. We've built the facilities, we've increased the budget and coaching salaries. We are finally to the point that we can honestly say that we belong in that next rung. If UTSA and TSU can do the same thing, then there will be no reason to turn them away. At this point, though...they are not there yet.

[TheColonyEagle]

I really don't think UNT spent all that $$ on upgrading facilities, building a new stadium and "committing" to athletics to stay in the Sunbelt much less jump on the chance to be in a conference with 1-AA teams.

If they did then......yikes