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I was looking at the donor list, and found this page that shows how many donors we have, how much we take in, and how we stack up against the conference and TCU/SMU. 

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ouch

that's a giving percentage of the alumni base of .28%.

Put 10,000 UNT Alumni together--and 28 care enough to be an athletic donor.

 

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20 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

ouch

that's a giving percentage of the alumni base of .28%.

Put 10,000 UNT Alumni together--and 28 care enough to be an athletic donor.

 

Just win, baby!

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It's the responsibility of the AD to change these numbers.  We'll see.

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32 minutes ago, GTWT said:

It's the responsibility of the AD to change these numbers.  We'll see.

Cautiously optimistic that we have the right guy.

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I believe that the AD stated that this year was our greatest year for fundraising.  I believe that a figure of $8.9M was quoted.  So we have some decent sized donors; we just need more to participate.  

A good place to start would be to follow Wren's suggestion...increase last year's amount by 10%.

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Green Crazy said it best.  Embarrassing.  

If your name is not on the list, please join those who have committed to make Mean Green Athletics the best it can be.  

There is plenty each of us can do.  Please don’t look for a reason not to help.  Even if it’s $25. per year.

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10 hours ago, greenminer said:

Cautiously optimistic that we have the right guy.

I hope you're right, but.....

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3 minutes ago, GTWT said:

I hope you're right, but.....

...but...don't you dare even consider pointing out the truth of the matter or ppl will downvote you. 

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So anywho, the point of the post wasn't for us to shit on current numbers.  

Way I read this whole thing is that we've long known the numbers have been shitty.  

Now the athletic department is putting it out there for all to see, which says to me complacency isn't the rule of the day -- they've got a public scoreboard to increase.  

That's how I read it.  Call me Pollyanna, I guess, but as a former sales dude, public comparisons like that would motivate the hell out of me. 

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This isnt new information.  This has been posted to that site for some time now.  The tough part is... this is sort of preaching to the choir, us talking about it here.

They recently put out some incentives for current members of the MGSF to recruit members.  I like the idea of it, but the incentives to me arent that motivating to get after it.  Dont get me wrong. I would love Hub Club tickets, but I dont know if I could 15 new members by June 30th to do.  What do you guys think?Capture.PNG.3874f9d38d1899399960c9782e844ed9.PNG

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7 hours ago, greenjoe said:

Green Crazy said it best.  Embarrassing.  

If your name is not on the list, please join those who have committed to make Mean Green Athletics the best it can be.  

There is plenty each of us can do.  Please don’t look for a reason not to help.  Even if it’s $25. per year.

Ha! You sound like one of those feed the impoverished children/SPCA ads.  

For just 7 cents a day (yes, that's the actual amout) you too can help an underfunded athletic department. With your donation we'll send you a picture of your adopted student athlete.  If you dont help, who will?

🤣 I laugh to hide the pain. 

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Yes, this is concerning/depressing/embarrassing. However, this comes back to the timeless question of how do we make our alumni actually care about their university? I think it's a much larger problem than just athletics. Most folks don't own UNT. 

We have to do what we can to make students that are currently at UNT love the university and our athletic program. I'm okay writing off everyone that came before "new denton" for the most the most part. Outside of our current loyal fanbase, there really isn't much hope. 

Probably an unpopular opinion...but hey.

If we want to revitalize our alumni that were here before the Wren era, I think that starts with sending mass mail to families and offering them free tickets if they call the box office for a game(a low profile game). Reach the families that have never been to a game. Give the people that otherwise wouldn't pay a dime to watch UNT football a reason to show up. Show people how great something is, and the level of change that has gone on. Maybe, just maybe people will change their old ways.

Food for thought, granted we've all heard similar theories before, but its the offseason 😄 

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Things will get better as long as we keep winning. The future OOC schedules are better than they have been since the early 00's, which helps brings in other fans who might not be otherwise interested in coming to Denton for a game, but will entertain coming here for SMU, Army, Houston, Wyoming, Cal, Memphis, Texas Tech, etc. This is why the OOC games with FCS spares (basically anyone but SFA or SHSU) are just horrendous, though--until you get more fans to show up to games and create demand, these games give you nothing. 

I remember the Nicholls State game in 2014 at Apogee. We beat a team that didn't look like they could play Denton HS close, 77-3. People on here were just super excited about a mobile QB named Dajon Williams. Game didn't draw anywhere close to what was announced in attendance that day, probably about 13K in butts in seats, and although we got a win, that game didn't help us in any way other than getting to 4 wins instead of 3. Dajon Williams couldn't play against FBS competition, just like the other QBs on the roster couldn't. The point is that a huge "win" on the scoreboard didn't produce anything of real value to us. And, of course, the next season, at Homecoming, against FCS Portland State, we got murdered in the worst loss in modern college football history, 66-7, when even the few fans who come back for a game because of the homecoming stuff just shook their heads and left Apogee, thinking this was no different than playing at Fouts and getting killed by some SLC or SBC team back in the decades previous.

Wren Baker is a breath of fresh air--he wants to succeed, he wants to be open about the situation. He's basically shown to be the opposite of his predecessor. Whether he can fix the .28% athletic donor from the alumni base figure to even just double within the next few years remains to be seen. Its very, very possible that it just can't be done here because of the culture and location of the school. But I believe he will give it his all and will do anything he can to make this place care about sports as much as it wants to care. The previous AD didn't, and he got a pass from the BOR and administration for about 10 years too long, because he cozied up to the right people to make sure he stayed within budget. Thank God those days appear to be in the past--in almost every way imaginable, too..

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1 hour ago, untjim1995 said:

fans who might not be otherwise interested in coming to Denton for a game, but will entertain coming here for SMU, Army, Houston, Wyoming, Cal, Memphis, Texas Tech, etc. This is why the OOC games with FCS spares (basically anyone but SFA or SHSU) are just horrendous, ...

Wren Baker is a breath of fresh air...

When he drops Army to schedule Liberty he is doing exactly what you point out - rightly, I think - is the problem.  I don't like playing Liberty for personal & philosophical reasons, but it's also a bad choice for the reasons you state early in your message - the average UNT alum couldn't care less about watching that team.  Army, on the other hand, would interest a broad array of fans. Bad decision.

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24 minutes ago, GTWT said:

When he drops Army to schedule Liberty he is doing exactly what you point out - rightly, I think - is the problem.  I don't like playing Liberty for personal & philosophical reasons, but it's also a bad choice for the reasons you state early in your message - the average UNT alum couldn't care less about watching that team.  Army, on the other hand, would interest a broad array of fans. Bad decision.

Liberty again?
Coach Littrell & Staff did not want to play the Army games.  It's as simple as that.   
It had nothing to do with gaining fans' interest.

Sorry you hate Liberty's philosophies, but it's a football game.   If we want to see UNT win games, we schedule a punching bag that is moving up from FCS this season, and drop a game that takes your team out of its rhythm for 1/12th of the season.
If we want to try and accomplish what Boise St. has done, we need to follow the Boise St. model for winning games.

I'm going to assume the difference between a win against Liberty VS a loss against Army & possibly the next week as well would be the difference in a bowl game & a possible 10-win season VS an 8-win season.  I think UNT fans & recruits will be more on board with a 10-win team (regardless of who they play) than an 8-win team that played Army.

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40 minutes ago, GTWT said:

When he drops Army to schedule Liberty he is doing exactly what you point out - rightly, I think - is the problem.  I don't like playing Liberty for personal & philosophical reasons, but it's also a bad choice for the reasons you state early in your message - the average UNT alum couldn't care less about watching that team.  Army, on the other hand, would interest a broad array of fans. Bad decision.

We drop Army and get the flexibility to add Houston.  That makes the coaches happy and should make you happy.  Having to do that at basically the last minute meant our options were very small.  

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I don't know why people are acting like this is surprising.  We have been talking about these numbers for a while now.  

854 is about average, now the high rollers have obviously been more willing to layout significantly more money or we wouldn't been hitting the high total.

The AD obviously needs to get the number of donors up.   

 

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4 hours ago, GTWT said:

When he drops Army to schedule Liberty he is doing exactly what you point out - rightly, I think - is the problem.  I don't like playing Liberty for personal & philosophical reasons, but it's also a bad choice for the reasons you state early in your message - the average UNT alum couldn't care less about watching that team.  Army, on the other hand, would interest a broad array of fans. Bad decision.

So you seriously think that low MGSF membership numbers are because Liberty was subbed for Army? You can't really be serious on that. It's been this way for decades and is more to do with a heavy commuter culture, historically underperforming (win/loss) program and a general lack of brand pride in UNT. It didn't take overnight to get there and it won't be fixed overnight. Winning helps, incentive programs like the one above could help. Making everyone aware of MGSF, what it is and what the benefits are helps. Seems like the Ath Dept is doing a better job at everyone of those. Let's see how the numbers trend over time. We all know you love to play Army and despise Liberty. If officials promise to not let Falwell deliver a pregame prayer, can you move on?

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9 hours ago, meangreenJW said:

If officials promise to not let Falwell deliver a pregame prayer, can you move on?

No.  Probably not.

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So... to go back to recruiting new members to the MGSF and the incentives.

I think I could get a couple of other people to join. $25 to get a decal, a shout out, and help student athletes... not too hard of sell

Anyone else?

 

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16 hours ago, GTWT said:

When he drops Army to schedule Liberty he is doing exactly what you point out - rightly, I think - is the problem.  I don't like playing Liberty for personal & philosophical reasons, but it's also a bad choice for the reasons you state early in your message - the average UNT alum couldn't care less about watching that team.  Army, on the other hand, would interest a broad array of fans. Bad decision.

I think 2 winning seasons over the last 10 years has more to do with the disappointing MGSF numbers than a single game/opponent.

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17 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Liberty again?
Coach Littrell & Staff did not want to play the Army games.  It's as simple as that.   
It had nothing to do with gaining fans' interest.

Sorry you hate Liberty's philosophies, but it's a football game.   If we want to see UNT win games, we schedule a punching bag that is moving up from FCS this season, and drop a game that takes your team out of its rhythm for 1/12th of the season.
If we want to try and accomplish what Boise St. has done, we need to follow the Boise St. model for winning games.

I'm going to assume the difference between a win against Liberty VS a loss against Army & possibly the next week as well would be the difference in a bowl game & a possible 10-win season VS an 8-win season.  I think UNT fans & recruits will be more on board with a 10-win team (regardless of who they play) than an 8-win team that played Army.

Also, the Houston home and home is only on the schedule because of the Liberty for Army switch. The changing of available dates made that series possible.

Dont much care for the Liberty series one way or another, but if we view it more in the context of adding a Houston - North Texas series, losing a couple games with Army, and tolerating a spare Liberty series, I think we still win. Having H & H’s with Houston, SMU, Memphis and Wyoming (AAC and MWC) are the perfect opportunities to elevate the program in the eyes of our (slightly) aspirational peer group if we keep progressing on the field and win a bunch of those games.

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I can't point to any singular decision/event as a reason for these numbers.  I think the story of UNT and these numbers is a perfect storm of disastrous hires/fires, administration, constant losing, pissing off the wrong people....just about anything that you can imagine to disconnect from your alumni, we've done...consistently for decades.

Do I think Liberty in place of Army is bad? Yes, but I think it's okay if we we get the majority of everything else right.  We don't need to be perfect; we don't need to nitpick every fine detail as if the world is coming to an end.  But we can look for trends that indicate what direction our AD is taking us.

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