Most Improved Offense and Defense Scoring list

[TheReal_jayD]

 

North Texas is on both list. Which is expected.

http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=The-most-improved-scoring-offenses-in-2016

http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=The-most-improved-scoring-defenses-in-2016

[MGNation92]

Have to think the scoring offense will improve even more so for the 2017 season

Littrell's second season is where his offense usually starts to really pick up.

Just gotta hope that GH improves his play calling, and/or that the personnel allows for more diverse play calling

[Travis]

That is a good sign. 

[FirefightnRick]

It's interesting seeing TCU at -11. with their "Air Raid".  

Meachum just left for Kansas.  And when Cumby was asked about the future of TCU's offense, since he's now the sole OC, he said their gonna keep the same offensive philosophy but that they gotta change it up.  

 

Rick

[UNT90]

1 hour ago, MGNation92 said:

Have to think the scoring offense will improve even more so for the 2017 season

Littrell's second season is where his offense usually starts to really pick up.

Need a VAST improvement in QB play for that jump to occur...

[MeanGreen22]

21 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Need a VAST improvement in QB play for that jump to occur...

Y'all can downvote based on who posted all you want, but it's the truth. 

Fine had 1,500 yards, 6 TDs, 5 INTs in an offense that's tailored made for QBs to thrive. Saying you need better play from that position is a fair criticism. 

[ChristopherRyanWilkes]

If it's still Fine, QB play should improve. Besides his obvious arm strength issue the most glaring issue with him this season was his inability to make multiple reads. That's something that only gets better with time, and he got much needed experience last season. 

[TheReal_jayD]

52 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Need a VAST improvement in QB play for that jump to occur...

 

29 minutes ago, MeanGreen22 said:

Y'all can downvote based on who posted all you want, but it's the truth. 

Fine had 1,500 yards, 6 TDs, 5 INTs in an offense that's tailored made for QBs to thrive. Saying you need better play from that position is a fair criticism. 

Averages for all other players, separated by whether or not an individual started his college career with a redshirt season go as follows:

TRUE FRESHMAN SEASON

1,979 completions of 3,580 attempts (55.28 percent)

2,461 yards, 177 touchdowns, 143 interceptions

TRUE SOPHOMORE SEASON

3,235 completions of 5,556 attempts (58.23 percent)

39,847 yards, 302 touchdowns, 172 interceptions

REDSHIRT FRESHMAN SEASON

2,404 completions of 4,242 attempts (56.67 percent)

31,098 yards, 230 touchdowns, 159 interceptions

REDSHIRT SOPHOMORE SEASON

4,137 completions of 7,369 attempts (56.14 percent)

54,859 yards, 434 touchdowns, 215 interceptions

QB	SCHOOL	TRUE vs REDSHIRT	FRESHMAN YEAR	FRESHMAN YARDS	FRESHMAN TDS	FRESHMAN INTS	SOPHOMORE YARDS	SOPHOMORE TDS	SOPHOMORE INTS
A.J. McCarron	Alabama	RS	2010	389	3	0	2634	16	5	Details
Aaron Murray	Georgia	RS	2010	3049	24	8	3149	35	14	Details
Andre Woodson	Kentucky	RS	2004	492	2	1	1644	6	6	Details
Anthony Jennings	LSU	TRUE	2013	181	1	1	1611	11	7	Details
Austin Allen	Arkansas	RS	2014	153	1		STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Blake Mitchell	South Carolina	RS	2004	86	1	3	2370	17	12	Details
Brandon Allen	Arkansas	RS	2012	186	1	3	1552	13	10	Details
Brandon Cox	Auburn	RS	2004	357	4	2	2324	15	8	Details
Brandon Harris	LSU	TRUE	2014	452	6	2	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Brice Ramsey	Georgia	RS	2014	333	3	2	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Brock Berlin	Florida	TRUE	2000	170	2	1	483	9	1	Details
Brodie Croyle	Alabama	TRUE	2002	1046	5	5	2303	16	13	Details
Casey Clausen	Tennessee	TRUE	2000	1473	15	6	2969	22	9	Details
Casey Dick	Arkansas	TRUE	2005	584	7	4	991	9	6	Details
Chris Leak	Florida	TRUE	2003	2435	16	11	3197	29	12	Details
Chris Smelley	South Carolina	TRUE	2006	112	0	0	1176	9	7	Details
Connor Shaw	South Carolina	TRUE	2010	223	1	2	1448	14	6	Details
Curtis Pulley	Kentucky	TRUE	2005	208	0	3	72	0	0	Details
D.J. Shockley	Georiga	RS	2002	415	5	2	88	1	1	Details
Dak Prescott	Mississippi State	RS	2012	194	4	0	1940	10	7	Details
Damian Williams	Mississippi State	TRUE	2013	279	0	2	155	3	0	Details
David Greene	Georgia	RS	2001	2789	17	9	2924	22	8	Details
Devante Kincade	Ole Miss	RS	2014	127	1	0	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Eli Manning	Ole Miss	RS	2000	170	0	1	2948	31	9	Details
Erik Ainge	Tennessee	TRUE	2004	1452	17	9	737	5	7	Details
Hutson Mason	Georgia	TRUE	2010	102	1	0	254	2	0	Details
Ingle Martin	Florida	RS	2002	96	0	0	654	3	2	Details
Jacoby Brissett	Florida	TRUE	2011	206	2	4	249	1	0	Details
Jalen Whitlow	Kentucky	TRUE	2012	801	3	2	1035	5	5	Details
JaMarcus Russell	LSU	RS	2004	1053	9	4	2443	15	9	Details
Jared Lorenzen	Kentucky	RS	2000	3687	19	21	2179	19	7	Details
Jarrett Lee	LSU	RS	2008	1873	14	16	197	2	1	Details
Jason Campbell	Auburn	TRUE	2001	1117	4	4	1215	11	5	Details
Jay Cutler	Vanderbilt	RS	2002	1433	10	9	2347	18	13	Details
Jeff Driskel	Florida	TRUE	2011	148	0	2	1646	12	5	Details
Jeremy Johnson	Auburn	TRUE	2013	422	6	2	436	3	0	Details
Joe Cox	Georgia	RS	2006	225	2	1	56	1	0	Details
John Brantley	Florida	RS	2008	235	3	1	410	7	0	Details
John Parker Wilson	Alabama	TRUE	2005	98	2	0	2707	17	10	Details
Johnny Manziel	Texas A&M	RS	2012	3706	26	9	4114	37	13	Details
Johnny McCrary	Vanderbilt	RS	2014	985	9	8	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Jonathan Crompton	Tennessee	RS	2006	401	4	2	97	1	2	Details
Jordan Jefferson	LSU	TRUE	2008	419	4	1	2166	17	7	Details
Joshua Dobbs	Tennessee	TRUE	2013	695	2	6	1206	9	6	Details
Justin Worley	Tennessee	TRUE	2011	604	1	3	134	0	2	Details
Kenny Hill	Texas A&M	TRUE	2013	183	1	0	2649	23	8	Details
Kevin Fant	Mississippi State	RS	2000	210	1	1	1352	8	9	Details
Kiehl Frazier	Auburn	TRUE	2011	34	0	2	753	2	8	Details
Kodi Burns	Auburn	TRUE	2007	145	2	1	1050	2	7	Details
Kyle Allen	Texas A&M	TRUE	2014	1322	16	7	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Kyle York	Mississippi State	RS	2002	693	3	10	273	1	4	Details
Larry Smith	Vanderbilt	RS	2008	167	1	1	1126	4	7	Details
Mackenzi Adams	Vanderbilt	RS	2006	224	0	1	1043	9	6	Details
Matt Flynn	LSU	RS	2004	99	1	0	457	7	1	Details
Matt Jones	Arkansas	TRUE	2001	275	4	3	1592	16	8	Details
Matt Mauck	LSU	RS	2001	224	0	1	782	9	2	Details
Matthew Stafford	Georgia	TRUE	2006	1749	7	13	2523	19	10	Details
Maty Mauk	Missouri	RS	2013	1071	11	2	2648	25	13	Details
Maxwell Smith	Kentucky	TRUE	2011	819	4	4	975	8	4	Details
Morgan Newton	Kentucky	TRUE	2009	706	6	3	265	0	0	Details
Nathan Peterman	Tennessee	RS	2013	45	0	2	49	0	0	Details
Nathan Stanley	Ole Miss	RS	2009	163	1	1	261	3	1	Details
Patrick Towles*	Kentucky	TRUE	2012	233	1	1	2718	14	9	Details
Patton Robinette	Vanderbilt	RS	2013	642	4	5	454	3	3	Details
Randall Cobb	Kentucky	TRUE	2008	542	2	5	89	0	0	Details
Rex Grossman	Florida	RS	2000	1866	21	7	3896	34	12	Details
Robert Johnson	Arkansas	RS	2004	209	3	1	876	5	6	Details
Robert Lane	Ole Miss	RS	2004	242	1	3	79	0	4	Details
Ryan Buchanan	Ole Miss	RS	2014	75	0	1	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Shane Boyd	Kentucky	RS	2001	852	4	6	99	0	0	Details
Stephen Garcia	South Carolina	RS	2008	832	6	8	2862	17	10	Details
Steven Bright	Vanderbilt	RS	2003	57	1	0	205	0	0	Details
Tim Tebow	Florida	RS	2006	358	5	1	3286	32	6	Details
Treon Harris	Florida	TRUE	2014	1019	9	4	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Tyler Bray	Tennessee	TRUE	2010	1849	18	10	1983	17	6	Details
Tyler Russell	Mississippi State	RS	2010	635	5	6	1034	8	4	Details
Tyler Wilson**	Arkansas	TRUE	2008	69	1	2	218	2	2	Details
Tyler Wilson**	Arkansas	RS	2009	218	2	2	453	4	3	Details
Wade Freebeck	Vanderbilt	TRUE	2014	376	1	5	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Wesley Carroll	Mississippi State	TRUE	2007	1392	9	7	560	3	7	Details
Zak Clark	Arkansas	TRUE	2000	321	1	6	1000	6	4

 

Its SEC but long story short he will improve.

[UNT90]

8 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

 

Averages for all other players, separated by whether or not an individual started his college career with a redshirt season go as follows:

TRUE FRESHMAN SEASON

1,979 completions of 3,580 attempts (55.28 percent)

2,461 yards, 177 touchdowns, 143 interceptions

TRUE SOPHOMORE SEASON

3,235 completions of 5,556 attempts (58.23 percent)

39,847 yards, 302 touchdowns, 172 interceptions

REDSHIRT FRESHMAN SEASON

2,404 completions of 4,242 attempts (56.67 percent)

31,098 yards, 230 touchdowns, 159 interceptions

REDSHIRT SOPHOMORE SEASON

4,137 completions of 7,369 attempts (56.14 percent)

54,859 yards, 434 touchdowns, 215 interceptions

QB	SCHOOL	TRUE vs REDSHIRT	FRESHMAN YEAR	FRESHMAN YARDS	FRESHMAN TDS	FRESHMAN INTS	SOPHOMORE YARDS	SOPHOMORE TDS	SOPHOMORE INTS
A.J. McCarron	Alabama	RS	2010	389	3	0	2634	16	5	Details
Aaron Murray	Georgia	RS	2010	3049	24	8	3149	35	14	Details
Andre Woodson	Kentucky	RS	2004	492	2	1	1644	6	6	Details
Anthony Jennings	LSU	TRUE	2013	181	1	1	1611	11	7	Details
Austin Allen	Arkansas	RS	2014	153	1		STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Blake Mitchell	South Carolina	RS	2004	86	1	3	2370	17	12	Details
Brandon Allen	Arkansas	RS	2012	186	1	3	1552	13	10	Details
Brandon Cox	Auburn	RS	2004	357	4	2	2324	15	8	Details
Brandon Harris	LSU	TRUE	2014	452	6	2	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Brice Ramsey	Georgia	RS	2014	333	3	2	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Brock Berlin	Florida	TRUE	2000	170	2	1	483	9	1	Details
Brodie Croyle	Alabama	TRUE	2002	1046	5	5	2303	16	13	Details
Casey Clausen	Tennessee	TRUE	2000	1473	15	6	2969	22	9	Details
Casey Dick	Arkansas	TRUE	2005	584	7	4	991	9	6	Details
Chris Leak	Florida	TRUE	2003	2435	16	11	3197	29	12	Details
Chris Smelley	South Carolina	TRUE	2006	112	0	0	1176	9	7	Details
Connor Shaw	South Carolina	TRUE	2010	223	1	2	1448	14	6	Details
Curtis Pulley	Kentucky	TRUE	2005	208	0	3	72	0	0	Details
D.J. Shockley	Georiga	RS	2002	415	5	2	88	1	1	Details
Dak Prescott	Mississippi State	RS	2012	194	4	0	1940	10	7	Details
Damian Williams	Mississippi State	TRUE	2013	279	0	2	155	3	0	Details
David Greene	Georgia	RS	2001	2789	17	9	2924	22	8	Details
Devante Kincade	Ole Miss	RS	2014	127	1	0	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Eli Manning	Ole Miss	RS	2000	170	0	1	2948	31	9	Details
Erik Ainge	Tennessee	TRUE	2004	1452	17	9	737	5	7	Details
Hutson Mason	Georgia	TRUE	2010	102	1	0	254	2	0	Details
Ingle Martin	Florida	RS	2002	96	0	0	654	3	2	Details
Jacoby Brissett	Florida	TRUE	2011	206	2	4	249	1	0	Details
Jalen Whitlow	Kentucky	TRUE	2012	801	3	2	1035	5	5	Details
JaMarcus Russell	LSU	RS	2004	1053	9	4	2443	15	9	Details
Jared Lorenzen	Kentucky	RS	2000	3687	19	21	2179	19	7	Details
Jarrett Lee	LSU	RS	2008	1873	14	16	197	2	1	Details
Jason Campbell	Auburn	TRUE	2001	1117	4	4	1215	11	5	Details
Jay Cutler	Vanderbilt	RS	2002	1433	10	9	2347	18	13	Details
Jeff Driskel	Florida	TRUE	2011	148	0	2	1646	12	5	Details
Jeremy Johnson	Auburn	TRUE	2013	422	6	2	436	3	0	Details
Joe Cox	Georgia	RS	2006	225	2	1	56	1	0	Details
John Brantley	Florida	RS	2008	235	3	1	410	7	0	Details
John Parker Wilson	Alabama	TRUE	2005	98	2	0	2707	17	10	Details
Johnny Manziel	Texas A&M	RS	2012	3706	26	9	4114	37	13	Details
Johnny McCrary	Vanderbilt	RS	2014	985	9	8	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Jonathan Crompton	Tennessee	RS	2006	401	4	2	97	1	2	Details
Jordan Jefferson	LSU	TRUE	2008	419	4	1	2166	17	7	Details
Joshua Dobbs	Tennessee	TRUE	2013	695	2	6	1206	9	6	Details
Justin Worley	Tennessee	TRUE	2011	604	1	3	134	0	2	Details
Kenny Hill	Texas A&M	TRUE	2013	183	1	0	2649	23	8	Details
Kevin Fant	Mississippi State	RS	2000	210	1	1	1352	8	9	Details
Kiehl Frazier	Auburn	TRUE	2011	34	0	2	753	2	8	Details
Kodi Burns	Auburn	TRUE	2007	145	2	1	1050	2	7	Details
Kyle Allen	Texas A&M	TRUE	2014	1322	16	7	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Kyle York	Mississippi State	RS	2002	693	3	10	273	1	4	Details
Larry Smith	Vanderbilt	RS	2008	167	1	1	1126	4	7	Details
Mackenzi Adams	Vanderbilt	RS	2006	224	0	1	1043	9	6	Details
Matt Flynn	LSU	RS	2004	99	1	0	457	7	1	Details
Matt Jones	Arkansas	TRUE	2001	275	4	3	1592	16	8	Details
Matt Mauck	LSU	RS	2001	224	0	1	782	9	2	Details
Matthew Stafford	Georgia	TRUE	2006	1749	7	13	2523	19	10	Details
Maty Mauk	Missouri	RS	2013	1071	11	2	2648	25	13	Details
Maxwell Smith	Kentucky	TRUE	2011	819	4	4	975	8	4	Details
Morgan Newton	Kentucky	TRUE	2009	706	6	3	265	0	0	Details
Nathan Peterman	Tennessee	RS	2013	45	0	2	49	0	0	Details
Nathan Stanley	Ole Miss	RS	2009	163	1	1	261	3	1	Details
Patrick Towles*	Kentucky	TRUE	2012	233	1	1	2718	14	9	Details
Patton Robinette	Vanderbilt	RS	2013	642	4	5	454	3	3	Details
Randall Cobb	Kentucky	TRUE	2008	542	2	5	89	0	0	Details
Rex Grossman	Florida	RS	2000	1866	21	7	3896	34	12	Details
Robert Johnson	Arkansas	RS	2004	209	3	1	876	5	6	Details
Robert Lane	Ole Miss	RS	2004	242	1	3	79	0	4	Details
Ryan Buchanan	Ole Miss	RS	2014	75	0	1	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Shane Boyd	Kentucky	RS	2001	852	4	6	99	0	0	Details
Stephen Garcia	South Carolina	RS	2008	832	6	8	2862	17	10	Details
Steven Bright	Vanderbilt	RS	2003	57	1	0	205	0	0	Details
Tim Tebow	Florida	RS	2006	358	5	1	3286	32	6	Details
Treon Harris	Florida	TRUE	2014	1019	9	4	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Tyler Bray	Tennessee	TRUE	2010	1849	18	10	1983	17	6	Details
Tyler Russell	Mississippi State	RS	2010	635	5	6	1034	8	4	Details
Tyler Wilson**	Arkansas	TRUE	2008	69	1	2	218	2	2	Details
Tyler Wilson**	Arkansas	RS	2009	218	2	2	453	4	3	Details
Wade Freebeck	Vanderbilt	TRUE	2014	376	1	5	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Wesley Carroll	Mississippi State	TRUE	2007	1392	9	7	560	3	7	Details
Zak Clark	Arkansas	TRUE	2000	321	1	6	1000	6	4

 

Its SEC but long story short he will improve.

The question is what is Fine's ceiling, and how far from it is he. None of us will know until several games into next season.

But I think we all agree that QB play HAS to improve next season for this thing to work.

[Monkeypox]

If we're on the list next year, then we'll have a real story.

[MEANGREENCOACH2]

16 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

 

Averages for all other players, separated by whether or not an individual started his college career with a redshirt season go as follows:

TRUE FRESHMAN SEASON

1,979 completions of 3,580 attempts (55.28 percent)

2,461 yards, 177 touchdowns, 143 interceptions

TRUE SOPHOMORE SEASON

3,235 completions of 5,556 attempts (58.23 percent)

39,847 yards, 302 touchdowns, 172 interceptions

REDSHIRT FRESHMAN SEASON

2,404 completions of 4,242 attempts (56.67 percent)

31,098 yards, 230 touchdowns, 159 interceptions

REDSHIRT SOPHOMORE SEASON

4,137 completions of 7,369 attempts (56.14 percent)

54,859 yards, 434 touchdowns, 215 interceptions

QB	SCHOOL	TRUE vs REDSHIRT	FRESHMAN YEAR	FRESHMAN YARDS	FRESHMAN TDS	FRESHMAN INTS	SOPHOMORE YARDS	SOPHOMORE TDS	SOPHOMORE INTS
A.J. McCarron	Alabama	RS	2010	389	3	0	2634	16	5	Details
Aaron Murray	Georgia	RS	2010	3049	24	8	3149	35	14	Details
Andre Woodson	Kentucky	RS	2004	492	2	1	1644	6	6	Details
Anthony Jennings	LSU	TRUE	2013	181	1	1	1611	11	7	Details
Austin Allen	Arkansas	RS	2014	153	1		STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Blake Mitchell	South Carolina	RS	2004	86	1	3	2370	17	12	Details
Brandon Allen	Arkansas	RS	2012	186	1	3	1552	13	10	Details
Brandon Cox	Auburn	RS	2004	357	4	2	2324	15	8	Details
Brandon Harris	LSU	TRUE	2014	452	6	2	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Brice Ramsey	Georgia	RS	2014	333	3	2	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Brock Berlin	Florida	TRUE	2000	170	2	1	483	9	1	Details
Brodie Croyle	Alabama	TRUE	2002	1046	5	5	2303	16	13	Details
Casey Clausen	Tennessee	TRUE	2000	1473	15	6	2969	22	9	Details
Casey Dick	Arkansas	TRUE	2005	584	7	4	991	9	6	Details
Chris Leak	Florida	TRUE	2003	2435	16	11	3197	29	12	Details
Chris Smelley	South Carolina	TRUE	2006	112	0	0	1176	9	7	Details
Connor Shaw	South Carolina	TRUE	2010	223	1	2	1448	14	6	Details
Curtis Pulley	Kentucky	TRUE	2005	208	0	3	72	0	0	Details
D.J. Shockley	Georiga	RS	2002	415	5	2	88	1	1	Details
Dak Prescott	Mississippi State	RS	2012	194	4	0	1940	10	7	Details
Damian Williams	Mississippi State	TRUE	2013	279	0	2	155	3	0	Details
David Greene	Georgia	RS	2001	2789	17	9	2924	22	8	Details
Devante Kincade	Ole Miss	RS	2014	127	1	0	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Eli Manning	Ole Miss	RS	2000	170	0	1	2948	31	9	Details
Erik Ainge	Tennessee	TRUE	2004	1452	17	9	737	5	7	Details
Hutson Mason	Georgia	TRUE	2010	102	1	0	254	2	0	Details
Ingle Martin	Florida	RS	2002	96	0	0	654	3	2	Details
Jacoby Brissett	Florida	TRUE	2011	206	2	4	249	1	0	Details
Jalen Whitlow	Kentucky	TRUE	2012	801	3	2	1035	5	5	Details
JaMarcus Russell	LSU	RS	2004	1053	9	4	2443	15	9	Details
Jared Lorenzen	Kentucky	RS	2000	3687	19	21	2179	19	7	Details
Jarrett Lee	LSU	RS	2008	1873	14	16	197	2	1	Details
Jason Campbell	Auburn	TRUE	2001	1117	4	4	1215	11	5	Details
Jay Cutler	Vanderbilt	RS	2002	1433	10	9	2347	18	13	Details
Jeff Driskel	Florida	TRUE	2011	148	0	2	1646	12	5	Details
Jeremy Johnson	Auburn	TRUE	2013	422	6	2	436	3	0	Details
Joe Cox	Georgia	RS	2006	225	2	1	56	1	0	Details
John Brantley	Florida	RS	2008	235	3	1	410	7	0	Details
John Parker Wilson	Alabama	TRUE	2005	98	2	0	2707	17	10	Details
Johnny Manziel	Texas A&M	RS	2012	3706	26	9	4114	37	13	Details
Johnny McCrary	Vanderbilt	RS	2014	985	9	8	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Jonathan Crompton	Tennessee	RS	2006	401	4	2	97	1	2	Details
Jordan Jefferson	LSU	TRUE	2008	419	4	1	2166	17	7	Details
Joshua Dobbs	Tennessee	TRUE	2013	695	2	6	1206	9	6	Details
Justin Worley	Tennessee	TRUE	2011	604	1	3	134	0	2	Details
Kenny Hill	Texas A&M	TRUE	2013	183	1	0	2649	23	8	Details
Kevin Fant	Mississippi State	RS	2000	210	1	1	1352	8	9	Details
Kiehl Frazier	Auburn	TRUE	2011	34	0	2	753	2	8	Details
Kodi Burns	Auburn	TRUE	2007	145	2	1	1050	2	7	Details
Kyle Allen	Texas A&M	TRUE	2014	1322	16	7	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Kyle York	Mississippi State	RS	2002	693	3	10	273	1	4	Details
Larry Smith	Vanderbilt	RS	2008	167	1	1	1126	4	7	Details
Mackenzi Adams	Vanderbilt	RS	2006	224	0	1	1043	9	6	Details
Matt Flynn	LSU	RS	2004	99	1	0	457	7	1	Details
Matt Jones	Arkansas	TRUE	2001	275	4	3	1592	16	8	Details
Matt Mauck	LSU	RS	2001	224	0	1	782	9	2	Details
Matthew Stafford	Georgia	TRUE	2006	1749	7	13	2523	19	10	Details
Maty Mauk	Missouri	RS	2013	1071	11	2	2648	25	13	Details
Maxwell Smith	Kentucky	TRUE	2011	819	4	4	975	8	4	Details
Morgan Newton	Kentucky	TRUE	2009	706	6	3	265	0	0	Details
Nathan Peterman	Tennessee	RS	2013	45	0	2	49	0	0	Details
Nathan Stanley	Ole Miss	RS	2009	163	1	1	261	3	1	Details
Patrick Towles*	Kentucky	TRUE	2012	233	1	1	2718	14	9	Details
Patton Robinette	Vanderbilt	RS	2013	642	4	5	454	3	3	Details
Randall Cobb	Kentucky	TRUE	2008	542	2	5	89	0	0	Details
Rex Grossman	Florida	RS	2000	1866	21	7	3896	34	12	Details
Robert Johnson	Arkansas	RS	2004	209	3	1	876	5	6	Details
Robert Lane	Ole Miss	RS	2004	242	1	3	79	0	4	Details
Ryan Buchanan	Ole Miss	RS	2014	75	0	1	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Shane Boyd	Kentucky	RS	2001	852	4	6	99	0	0	Details
Stephen Garcia	South Carolina	RS	2008	832	6	8	2862	17	10	Details
Steven Bright	Vanderbilt	RS	2003	57	1	0	205	0	0	Details
Tim Tebow	Florida	RS	2006	358	5	1	3286	32	6	Details
Treon Harris	Florida	TRUE	2014	1019	9	4	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Tyler Bray	Tennessee	TRUE	2010	1849	18	10	1983	17	6	Details
Tyler Russell	Mississippi State	RS	2010	635	5	6	1034	8	4	Details
Tyler Wilson**	Arkansas	TRUE	2008	69	1	2	218	2	2	Details
Tyler Wilson**	Arkansas	RS	2009	218	2	2	453	4	3	Details
Wade Freebeck	Vanderbilt	TRUE	2014	376	1	5	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Wesley Carroll	Mississippi State	TRUE	2007	1392	9	7	560	3	7	Details
Zak Clark	Arkansas	TRUE	2000	321	1	6	1000	6	4

 

Its SEC but long story short he will improve.

 

 

[MeanGreen22]

23 minutes ago, TheReal_jayD said:

 

Averages for all other players, separated by whether or not an individual started his college career with a redshirt season go as follows:

TRUE FRESHMAN SEASON

1,979 completions of 3,580 attempts (55.28 percent)

2,461 yards, 177 touchdowns, 143 interceptions

TRUE SOPHOMORE SEASON

3,235 completions of 5,556 attempts (58.23 percent)

39,847 yards, 302 touchdowns, 172 interceptions

REDSHIRT FRESHMAN SEASON

2,404 completions of 4,242 attempts (56.67 percent)

31,098 yards, 230 touchdowns, 159 interceptions

REDSHIRT SOPHOMORE SEASON

4,137 completions of 7,369 attempts (56.14 percent)

54,859 yards, 434 touchdowns, 215 interceptions

QB	SCHOOL	TRUE vs REDSHIRT	FRESHMAN YEAR	FRESHMAN YARDS	FRESHMAN TDS	FRESHMAN INTS	SOPHOMORE YARDS	SOPHOMORE TDS	SOPHOMORE INTS
A.J. McCarron	Alabama	RS	2010	389	3	0	2634	16	5	Details
Aaron Murray	Georgia	RS	2010	3049	24	8	3149	35	14	Details
Andre Woodson	Kentucky	RS	2004	492	2	1	1644	6	6	Details
Anthony Jennings	LSU	TRUE	2013	181	1	1	1611	11	7	Details
Austin Allen	Arkansas	RS	2014	153	1		STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Blake Mitchell	South Carolina	RS	2004	86	1	3	2370	17	12	Details
Brandon Allen	Arkansas	RS	2012	186	1	3	1552	13	10	Details
Brandon Cox	Auburn	RS	2004	357	4	2	2324	15	8	Details
Brandon Harris	LSU	TRUE	2014	452	6	2	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Brice Ramsey	Georgia	RS	2014	333	3	2	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Brock Berlin	Florida	TRUE	2000	170	2	1	483	9	1	Details
Brodie Croyle	Alabama	TRUE	2002	1046	5	5	2303	16	13	Details
Casey Clausen	Tennessee	TRUE	2000	1473	15	6	2969	22	9	Details
Casey Dick	Arkansas	TRUE	2005	584	7	4	991	9	6	Details
Chris Leak	Florida	TRUE	2003	2435	16	11	3197	29	12	Details
Chris Smelley	South Carolina	TRUE	2006	112	0	0	1176	9	7	Details
Connor Shaw	South Carolina	TRUE	2010	223	1	2	1448	14	6	Details
Curtis Pulley	Kentucky	TRUE	2005	208	0	3	72	0	0	Details
D.J. Shockley	Georiga	RS	2002	415	5	2	88	1	1	Details
Dak Prescott	Mississippi State	RS	2012	194	4	0	1940	10	7	Details
Damian Williams	Mississippi State	TRUE	2013	279	0	2	155	3	0	Details
David Greene	Georgia	RS	2001	2789	17	9	2924	22	8	Details
Devante Kincade	Ole Miss	RS	2014	127	1	0	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Eli Manning	Ole Miss	RS	2000	170	0	1	2948	31	9	Details
Erik Ainge	Tennessee	TRUE	2004	1452	17	9	737	5	7	Details
Hutson Mason	Georgia	TRUE	2010	102	1	0	254	2	0	Details
Ingle Martin	Florida	RS	2002	96	0	0	654	3	2	Details
Jacoby Brissett	Florida	TRUE	2011	206	2	4	249	1	0	Details
Jalen Whitlow	Kentucky	TRUE	2012	801	3	2	1035	5	5	Details
JaMarcus Russell	LSU	RS	2004	1053	9	4	2443	15	9	Details
Jared Lorenzen	Kentucky	RS	2000	3687	19	21	2179	19	7	Details
Jarrett Lee	LSU	RS	2008	1873	14	16	197	2	1	Details
Jason Campbell	Auburn	TRUE	2001	1117	4	4	1215	11	5	Details
Jay Cutler	Vanderbilt	RS	2002	1433	10	9	2347	18	13	Details
Jeff Driskel	Florida	TRUE	2011	148	0	2	1646	12	5	Details
Jeremy Johnson	Auburn	TRUE	2013	422	6	2	436	3	0	Details
Joe Cox	Georgia	RS	2006	225	2	1	56	1	0	Details
John Brantley	Florida	RS	2008	235	3	1	410	7	0	Details
John Parker Wilson	Alabama	TRUE	2005	98	2	0	2707	17	10	Details
Johnny Manziel	Texas A&M	RS	2012	3706	26	9	4114	37	13	Details
Johnny McCrary	Vanderbilt	RS	2014	985	9	8	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Jonathan Crompton	Tennessee	RS	2006	401	4	2	97	1	2	Details
Jordan Jefferson	LSU	TRUE	2008	419	4	1	2166	17	7	Details
Joshua Dobbs	Tennessee	TRUE	2013	695	2	6	1206	9	6	Details
Justin Worley	Tennessee	TRUE	2011	604	1	3	134	0	2	Details
Kenny Hill	Texas A&M	TRUE	2013	183	1	0	2649	23	8	Details
Kevin Fant	Mississippi State	RS	2000	210	1	1	1352	8	9	Details
Kiehl Frazier	Auburn	TRUE	2011	34	0	2	753	2	8	Details
Kodi Burns	Auburn	TRUE	2007	145	2	1	1050	2	7	Details
Kyle Allen	Texas A&M	TRUE	2014	1322	16	7	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Kyle York	Mississippi State	RS	2002	693	3	10	273	1	4	Details
Larry Smith	Vanderbilt	RS	2008	167	1	1	1126	4	7	Details
Mackenzi Adams	Vanderbilt	RS	2006	224	0	1	1043	9	6	Details
Matt Flynn	LSU	RS	2004	99	1	0	457	7	1	Details
Matt Jones	Arkansas	TRUE	2001	275	4	3	1592	16	8	Details
Matt Mauck	LSU	RS	2001	224	0	1	782	9	2	Details
Matthew Stafford	Georgia	TRUE	2006	1749	7	13	2523	19	10	Details
Maty Mauk	Missouri	RS	2013	1071	11	2	2648	25	13	Details
Maxwell Smith	Kentucky	TRUE	2011	819	4	4	975	8	4	Details
Morgan Newton	Kentucky	TRUE	2009	706	6	3	265	0	0	Details
Nathan Peterman	Tennessee	RS	2013	45	0	2	49	0	0	Details
Nathan Stanley	Ole Miss	RS	2009	163	1	1	261	3	1	Details
Patrick Towles*	Kentucky	TRUE	2012	233	1	1	2718	14	9	Details
Patton Robinette	Vanderbilt	RS	2013	642	4	5	454	3	3	Details
Randall Cobb	Kentucky	TRUE	2008	542	2	5	89	0	0	Details
Rex Grossman	Florida	RS	2000	1866	21	7	3896	34	12	Details
Robert Johnson	Arkansas	RS	2004	209	3	1	876	5	6	Details
Robert Lane	Ole Miss	RS	2004	242	1	3	79	0	4	Details
Ryan Buchanan	Ole Miss	RS	2014	75	0	1	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Shane Boyd	Kentucky	RS	2001	852	4	6	99	0	0	Details
Stephen Garcia	South Carolina	RS	2008	832	6	8	2862	17	10	Details
Steven Bright	Vanderbilt	RS	2003	57	1	0	205	0	0	Details
Tim Tebow	Florida	RS	2006	358	5	1	3286	32	6	Details
Treon Harris	Florida	TRUE	2014	1019	9	4	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Tyler Bray	Tennessee	TRUE	2010	1849	18	10	1983	17	6	Details
Tyler Russell	Mississippi State	RS	2010	635	5	6	1034	8	4	Details
Tyler Wilson**	Arkansas	TRUE	2008	69	1	2	218	2	2	Details
Tyler Wilson**	Arkansas	RS	2009	218	2	2	453	4	3	Details
Wade Freebeck	Vanderbilt	TRUE	2014	376	1	5	STILL	ACTIVE		Details
Wesley Carroll	Mississippi State	TRUE	2007	1392	9	7	560	3	7	Details
Zak Clark	Arkansas	TRUE	2000	321	1	6	1000	6	4

 

Its SEC but long story short he will improve.

How is saying the QB play needs improvement different from saying it will improve? If it is a fact that it will improve, then doesn't that mean saying it needs improvement a fact as well?

[UNTLifer]

Looking at that list, and remembering Dodge recruited Dak Prescott, thank goodness he never showed up in Denton.  Some of you would have run him out of town on a rail.  

My take is we have a promising Soph. in Fine returning that appears to be a leader with the work ethic needed to improve.  We are bringing in a JUCO that put up impressive numbers in a strong conference and a HS'er that has already enrolled that is probably one of our best QB recruits in years, so the positional situation is improving.  The other question that will effect our QB's success/failure is the improvement from our OL.

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

I'm counting on the kid who just enrolled early to be the starting QB next season...and, thus, for the 2017 "Air Raid" to be more "Air Raidy."

2016 UNT "Air Raid"
Fine: nine games started, 6 TD passes
Morris: four games started, 9 TD passes

Now, if, uh, 6 turned out to be 9, Jimi Hendrix wouldn't mind.  But, I'll bet that Littrell counted on more than 15 TD passes out of his "Air Raid."  It was slightly more than the 12 tossed by McCarney/Canales' non-"Air Raid" offenseof 2015.***

A bona fide QB - of any academic classification - could probably toss 15 by the seventh game of the year in 2017 in a run-of-the-mill "Air Raid" offense.

Give Littrell's 2016 "Air Raid" a mulligan...much of it self-inflicted.

***McCarney/Canales' non-"Air Raid" offense accounted for 12 TD passes during the regular season.  Seth Littrell's 2016 "Air Raid" offense also accounted for (only?) 12 TD passes during the 2016 regular season.  Given an extra game, Littrell's "Air Raid" offense produced three TD passes during a bowl game...all thrown by the QB Littrell didn't think should be the regular starter, to push the 2016 TD pass total to 15.  So...there ya have it.
 

[GrandGreen]

Fine should continue to get better, but I hope he is really challenged for minutes next year.   Fine may have been a good true freshman QB but he wasn't near the QB that Littrell needs in this offense.   

Fine certainly can become that QB, or he may be beaten out by a newcomer.  Whatever, it is comforting to know that NT should have a better QB than freshman Fine.   Most likely that will be sophomore Fine, but Littrell has shown that he is going to play who he likes best for the position despite experience level.    The early benching of Morris may have been a mistake, but Littrell quickly made that decision. 

[UNT90]

23 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Looking at that list, and remembering Dodge recruited Dak Prescott, thank goodness he never showed up in Denton.  Some of you would have run him out of town on a rail.  

My take is we have a promising Soph. in Fine returning that appears to be a leader with the work ethic needed to improve.  We are bringing in a JUCO that put up impressive numbers in a strong conference and a HS'er that has already enrolled that is probably one of our best QB recruits in years, so the positional situation is improving.  The other question that will effect our QB's success/failure is the improvement from our OL.

http://247sports.com/Player/Cade-Pearson-77884/TimelineEvents

Nothing against Pearson, and I hope he turns into the QB savior needed by UNT, but to say he is "our best QB recruit in years" says far more about UNT's dismal QB recruits than it does Pearson.

Pearson had one other FBS offer (Wyoming) and is a 2 star recruit. The bolded is a big overstatement.

This kid had 2 more FBS offers and actually broke some school passing records:

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/51226

And how could we forget about this well traveled savior that wasn't, who was a FAR better RECRUIT than Pearson:

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/102964

So, no, Pearson isn't the "one of the best QB recruits in years." His offers and his ranking don't indicate this at all. And since he has no on the field performance, I'm at a loss for why this statement would be made. 

EDIT: Oh, and let's not forget about one of the highest rated recruits of the past 4 years, Damarcus Smith:

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/13201

Edited January 19, 2017 by UNT90

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

On 1/19/2017 at 10:40 AM, UNT90 said:

http://247sports.com/Player/Cade-Pearson-77884/TimelineEvents

Nothing against Pearson, and I hope he turns into the QB savior needed by UNT, but to say he is "our best QB recruit in years" says far more about UNT's dismal QB recruits than it does Pearson.

Pearson had one other FBS offer (Wyoming) and is a 2 star recruit. The bolded is a big overstatement.

This kid had 2 more FBS offers and actually broke some school passing records:

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/51226

And how could we forget about this well traveled savior that wasn't, who was a FAR better RECRUIT than Pearson:

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/102964

So, no, Pearson isn't the "one of the best QB recruits in years." His offers and his ranking don't indicate this at all. And since he has no on the field performance, I'm at a loss for why this statement would be made. 

EDIT: Oh, and let's not forget about one of the highest rated recruits of the past 4 years, Damarcus Smith:

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/13201

Dude, Pearson's other FBS offer was from Wyoming, okay?  The Wyoming whose head coach is Craig Bohl...the guy who recruited and coached:

 

As for Vizza, he was offered by Nevada whose coach had who recruited and coached:

 

It's not Vizza' fault that Dodge hired high school coaches and thought he could get away with high school blocking schemes that lacked tight ends, h-backs, or fullbacks.  Vizza did the best he could here.  Given a more realistic (cognizant?) coaching staff, he'd have been able to play four years here without getting blasted every time he dropped back to pass.

Cade Pearson is an excellent get.  He is the best QB prospect we've had in here in many years.  Berglund and Smith don't enter the discussion because they had already been at multiple stops before they got here.  No one except for us were offering them the third time around at the FBS level.

Pearson is already on campus.  So, my guess is, he's going to have a work ethic equal to or exceeding Mason Fine's.  And, therefore, again, it would not surprise me in the least if he were starting QB when the Lamar Cardinals roll into Apogee on September 2, 2017. 

Edited January 20, 2017 by MeanGreenMailbox

[UNT90]

Just now, MeanGreenMailbox said:

Dude, Pearson's other FBS offer was from Wyoming, okay?  The Wyoming whose head coach is Craig Bohl...the guy who recruited and coached:

 

As for Vizza, he was offered by Nevada who was coached by the guy who recruited and coached:

 

It's not Vizza' fault that Dodge hired high school coaches and thought he could get away with high school blocking schemes that lacked tight ends, h-backs, or fullbacks.  Vizza did the best he could here.  Given a more realistic (cognizant?) coaching staff, he'd have been able to play four years here without getting blasted every time he dropped back to pass.

Cade Pearson is an excellent get.  He is the best QB prospect we've had in here.  Berglund and Smith don't enter the discussion because they had already been a multiple stops before they got here.  No one except for us were offering them the third time around.

Pearson is already on campus.  So, my guess is, he's going to have a work ethic equal to or exceeding Mason Fine's.  And, therefore, again, it would not surprise me in the least if he were starting QB when the Lamar Cardinals roll into Apogee on September 2, 2017. 

Based on what? He is a 2 star with one other FBS offer.

I want to know exactly what criteria you are using to make this statement, because it isn't recruit rating or offers. It isn't on the field FBS performance. That leaves your opinion as the basis

I find your opinion historically unreliable and inaccurate.

7 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

Dude, Pearson's other FBS offer was from Wyoming, okay?  The Wyoming whose head coach is Craig Bohl...the guy who recruited and coached:

 

As for Vizza, he was offered by Nevada whose coach had who recruited and coached:

 

It's not Vizza' fault that Dodge hired high school coaches and thought he could get away with high school blocking schemes that lacked tight ends, h-backs, or fullbacks.  Vizza did the best he could here.  Given a more realistic (cognizant?) coaching staff, he'd have been able to play four years here without getting blasted every time he dropped back to pass.

Cade Pearson is an excellent get.  He is the best QB prospect we've had in here in many years.  Berglund and Smith don't enter the discussion because they had already been at multiple stops before they got here.  No one except for us were offering them the third time around at the FBS level.

Pearson is already on campus.  So, my guess is, he's going to have a work ethic equal to or exceeding Mason Fine's.  And, therefore, again, it would not surprise me in the least if he were starting QB when the Lamar Cardinals roll into Apogee on September 2, 2017. 

So if Bohl is such a QB expert, where are all the other FBS schools jumping to offer Pearson? 

Look, I like the kid. I think he has a much better arm the Fine. But to make the statement that he is the "one of the best QB recruits in years" is pure sunshine pumping. 

He is what he is, which is a 2 star recruit with 2 FBS offers. At least until he proves otherwise. 

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

9 minutes ago, UNT90 said:

Based on what? He is a 2 star with one other FBS offer.

I want to know exactly what criteria you are using to make this statement, because it isn't recruit rating or offers. It isn't on the field FBS performance. That leaves your opinion as the basis

I find your opinion historically unreliable and inaccurate.

I just told you based on what:  he was offered a scholarship by Craig Bohl, the coach who recruiting, signed and coached Carson Wentz, the NFL's #1 Draft pick in 2016 and starter for the Philadelphia Eagles.

It means nothing to you that Craig Bohl also thought Pearson's talent was worthy of a scholarship?  Whether it means something to you or not, though, is wholly irrelevant.  Bohl has shaped up to be a pretty good coach with an eye for talent at the FCS and FBS level.  He won three titles at ND State and has gotten Wyoming off the mat in three seasons.

 

Edited January 20, 2017 by MeanGreenMailbox

[UNT90]

4 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

I just told you based on what:  he was offered a scholarship by Craig Bohl, the coach who recruiting, signed and coached Carson Wentz, the NFL's #1 Draft pick in 2016 and starter for the Philadelphia Eagles.

It means nothing to you that Craig Bohl also thought Pearson's talent was worthy of a scholarship?  Whether it means something to you or not, though, is wholly irrelevant.  Bohl has shaped up to be a pretty good coach with an eye for talent at the FCS and FBS level.  He won three titles at ND State and has gotten Wyoming off the mat in three seasons.

 

So if Bohl is such the standard bearer for FBS college QBs, where was the avalanche of FBS offers after Wyoming? 

Its a terrible argument, and one that falls completely apart under scrutiny.

4 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

I just told you based on what:  he was offered a scholarship by Craig Bohl, the coach who recruiting, signed and coached Carson Wentz, the NFL's #1 Draft pick in 2016 and starter for the Philadelphia Eagles.

It means nothing to you that Craig Bohl also thought Pearson's talent was worthy of a scholarship?  Whether it means something to you or not, though, is wholly irrelevant.  Bohl has shaped up to be a pretty good coach with an eye for talent at the FCS and FBS level.  He won three titles at ND State and has gotten Wyoming off the mat in three seasons.

 

So if Bohl is such the standard bearer for FBS college QBs, where was the avalanche of FBS offers after Wyoming? 

Its a terrible argument, and one that falls completely apart under scrutiny.

[MeanGreenMailbox aka TFLF]

Wyoming's current QB, Josh Allen, only had two FBS scholarship offers - Wyoming and Eastern Michigan.  He led the MWC in TD passes with 28, was second in passing yards, and led Wyoming to a bowl game.

But...Bohl doesn't know QB talent?  Allen, like Pearson, was a two-star recruit.

Pearson is a big get for us. The biggest QB get since, at least, Vizza.

[UNT90]

17 minutes ago, MeanGreenMailbox said:

Wyoming's current QB, Josh Allen, only had two FBS scholarship offers - Wyoming and Eastern Michigan.  He led the MWC in TD passes with 28, was second in passing yards, and led Wyoming to a bowl game.

But...Bohl doesn't know QB talent?  Allen, like Pearson, was a two-star recruit.

Pearson is a big get for us. The biggest QB get since, at least, Vizza.

If Pearson were Allen, you would have an argument. 

He isn't. Not yet. 

This is your opinion. It's not a fact and is backed up by nothing more than "that guy recruited that guy, so this guy must be good." Terrible argument.

We all hope young Mr. Pearson builds up to the green Kool aid status you give him, but there is nothing to indicate that this will most certainly happen, and nothing to indicate he is any better a recruit than the previous list I provided. There is actually tangible evidence that he is worse. 

I hope he throws for 50 TDs as a true freshman.